1110:"Click and Drag"

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby shashwat986 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:42 am UTC

Why are 11s11e, 11s11w, 11n11w and 11n11e completely blank? The S ones are black, and the N ones are white. A rudimentary steganalysis reveals nothing.
(Before anyone asks, the images exist, and it isn't just being filled in)

I've hardly ever seen Randall add blank images for no reason, and the coordinates are oddly specific.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11n11e.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11n11w.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11s11e.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11s11w.png
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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby caliphjakub » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:47 am UTC

And so scrolling Munroe's (seemingly) infinite picture, you begin to wonder if the real (?) universe too, might not be just like this. A little bit of hackery, a few bunch of rules, iterated as many times as there are observers, and to the extent the observers are willing to go, with the odd bit of randomness thrown in leading to emergent properties. Effin ineffable.

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby caliphjakub » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:52 am UTC

dfeuer wrote:I'd like to know if it's possible to get the whole image as one PNG. It appears to be a bunch of different ones stitched together with JS, and is quite tiring to navigate by touchpad.

That's sort of the point. Seeing it whole will take away the mystery, and just like the real world getting to the cool things/people/places requires effort :)

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby zjxs » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:53 am UTC

I'm going for a walk. Outside.

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby EdyScissorhands » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:00 am UTC

If you're having OCD problems, I feel bad for you son
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I gave up after exploring all the overworld and most of the tunnel only to find out from the posted overview that I was almost finished. Time to go all the way back I guess...

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby rossdargan » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:01 am UTC

shashwat986 wrote:Why are 11s11e, 11s11w, 11n11w and 11n11e completely blank? The S ones are black, and the N ones are white. A rudimentary steganalysis reveals nothing.
(Before anyone asks, the images exist, and it isn't just being filled in)

I've hardly ever seen Randall add blank images for no reason, and the coordinates are oddly specific.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11n11e.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11n11w.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11s11e.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11s11w.png

I wondered that to. It could be just the tile to repeat if the is no tile for the location been looked at. That would make the most sense to me.

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby sjcrowe » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:08 am UTC

I think it'd be really cool if Randall were tracking how people browse this image. I like to think my meandering through this world is not only fascinating for me, but that it's also contributing to science.

I suppose that last sentence is true about life too, but I wasn't trying to be that deep.

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby LDericher » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:09 am UTC

rossdargan wrote:
shashwat986 wrote:Why are 11s11e, 11s11w, 11n11w and 11n11e completely blank? The S ones are black, and the N ones are white. A rudimentary steganalysis reveals nothing.
(Before anyone asks, the images exist, and it isn't just being filled in)

I've hardly ever seen Randall add blank images for no reason, and the coordinates are oddly specific.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11n11e.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11n11w.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11s11e.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11s11w.png

I wondered that to. It could be just the tile to repeat if the is no tile for the location been looked at. That would make the most sense to me.

Exactly my idea. Fired up gimp, played around a few times with brightness/contrast settings. Nothing revealable...

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby arran4 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:12 am UTC

Wow. Favourite comic so far. It reminds me of life really, and how fragile it is. Don't know why.

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby dedwrekka » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:16 am UTC

While almost insane in terms of size, I think posting a full sized version of the picture on it's own changes the experience of it drastically, and not from the better. As is, the picture instills a bit of a sense of exploration akin to minecraft. Finding all those strange environments and people around the little world. Having that in a massive picture takes it from "Minecraft" to "Where's Waldo" level. It's no longer about exploring the picture or searching it with your own intuition, it's about knowing the definite size and shape of the world and looking within it.

I had no idea that there was anything underground or in the sky when I started click-dragging through the picture, but I was surprised to find it. A full sized picture provides none of that surprise, and none of that joy of discovery. So, I personally will not be looking at any of the attempts at full-sized pictures, even if it takes me days to fully explore the miniature world on my own.

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby shashwat986 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:16 am UTC

rossdargan wrote:
shashwat986 wrote:Why are 11s11e, 11s11w, 11n11w and 11n11e completely blank? The S ones are black, and the N ones are white. A rudimentary steganalysis reveals nothing.
(Before anyone asks, the images exist, and it isn't just being filled in)

I've hardly ever seen Randall add blank images for no reason, and the coordinates are oddly specific.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11n11e.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11n11w.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11s11e.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11s11w.png

I wondered that to. It could be just the tile to repeat if the is no tile for the location been looked at. That would make the most sense to me.


That can't be. Firstly, why have two images each? Secondly, the source, and Mr. Phlip's site show that the empty spots aren't being filled in with images.
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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby Claudio » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:18 am UTC

shashwat986 wrote:Why are 11s11e, 11s11w, 11n11w and 11n11e completely blank? The S ones are black, and the N ones are white. A rudimentary steganalysis reveals nothing.
(Before anyone asks, the images exist, and it isn't just being filled in)

I've hardly ever seen Randall add blank images for no reason, and the coordinates are oddly specific.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11n11e.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11n11w.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11s11e.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11s11w.png

Link that to the fact this is comic 1110. Wonder if there will a next one, and what it would be. This is the end?

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby Tehnsuko » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:20 am UTC

I think the bridge might be an Iain Banks reference. But then, it doesn't really resemble the Forth Railway Bridge, so I could be way off.

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby ztac092 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:22 am UTC

Just made it to the tree, I want my thumb and my pointer fingers back!

Also, my new wallpaper:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/32880410/wallpaper.png
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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby Garsondee » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:25 am UTC

Wow - just amazing! I spent *way* too long exploring this image... Exploring it really reminds me of:

http://limbogame.org/ - LIMBO an amazingly spooky platformer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vORsKyopHyM - The Mysterious Explorations of Jasper Morello - a short CG film about Victorian adventurers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZrKbecv8qc - Gatherer of the Pure - A music video by A Forest of Stars. Warning! This odd Black Metal may or may not agree with everyone but if your in any way into Steampunk and Victoriana then you might like it.

As usual XKCD has a way of surprising me at the start of my day. Thank you! :D

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby J L » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:28 am UTC

Wow. Just wow. My favorite place was the little underground world with the girl sitting by the tree, although I'm not sure if I could find it again without the map. There were other places I missed ... on first exploring the caves, I gave up. Then I started in the other direction, found the hole I came out from my first cave expedition, and then continued towards the western end of the world.

Thanks Vervious and everyone for their efforts in mapping Randall's wonderful world. That's just crazy.

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby Netzach » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:28 am UTC

I had what appeared as two broken images next to the bottom of the antenna sitting girl talking about the buffalo can pyramid. Anyone else had that as well?

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby Istaro » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:34 am UTC

dedwrekka wrote:While almost insane in terms of size, I think posting a full sized version of the picture on it's own changes the experience of it drastically, and not from the better. As is, the picture instills a bit of a sense of exploration akin to minecraft. Finding all those strange environments and people around the little world. Having that in a massive picture takes it from "Minecraft" to "Where's Waldo" level. It's no longer about exploring the picture or searching it with your own intuition, it's about knowing the definite size and shape of the world and looking within it.

I had no idea that there was anything underground or in the sky when I started click-dragging through the picture, but I was surprised to find it. A full sized picture provides none of that surprise, and none of that joy of discovery. So, I personally will not be looking at any of the attempts at full-sized pictures, even if it takes me days to fully explore the miniature world on my own.


More power to you. If I had the time and my mousing wrist were in better shape, I'd do the same.

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby ...m... » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:42 am UTC

...i concur that scrolling is an essential element of this comic; it feeds everything at a human scale, with that elemental sense of travel and discovery integral to the experiences it conveys...

...that said, as much as i feel the overworld views diminish its art, without them i'd never have recognised that the skyscraper is in fact the burj khalifa, nor stumbled upon the disconnected sky (and troglodyte!) populations...

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby Eutychus » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:46 am UTC

dedwrekka wrote:While almost insane in terms of size, I think posting a full sized version of the picture on it's own changes the experience of it drastically, and not from the better. As is, the picture instills a bit of a sense of exploration akin to minecraft. Finding all those strange environments and people around the little world. Having that in a massive picture takes it from "Minecraft" to "Where's Waldo" level. It's no longer about exploring the picture or searching it with your own intuition, it's about knowing the definite size and shape of the world and looking within it.

I had no idea that there was anything underground or in the sky when I started click-dragging through the picture, but I was surprised to find it. A full sized picture provides none of that surprise, and none of that joy of discovery. So, I personally will not be looking at any of the attempts at full-sized pictures, even if it takes me days to fully explore the miniature world on my own.
I can sort of understand that, but it's like saying that we shouldn't map the real world either.

Don't you find gazing at world maps (in whatever projection :)) fascinating and awe-inspiring? And would you prefer never to have seen the legendary photo of our globe from the early Apollo missions? I think not.

[ETA and you can hardly expect this community of all communities not to try and attempt mapping it either!]
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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby Vroomfundel » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:50 am UTC

ProPuke might be awesome but people that post without reading (at least the first page!) are defnitely not!

Anyway, I'm surprised that no one figured out that the skyscraper is Burj Khalifa - the cross section is the same, although the height in proportion to people came out at below 700. Maybe Randall's stick figures are a bit to the shorter side ;-) And yeah, the cranes lifting other cranes probably did happen.

I'm wondering however how did all the trees grow underground? Super artificial lighting perhaps? Or what-if style magic maybe :-)
I'll also be interested to find out how did the X-wing end up underground as there's clearly no hole large enough for it to enter. They must have assembled it from pieces in place, like they do with Liebherr T 282B, among other things http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebherr_T_282B

So we have the whole image assembled already, great stuff :-) now I'm waiting for a list of all the references I didn't get
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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby mpetersheim » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:57 am UTC

Wow, what a drag!!

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby iPeel » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:00 pm UTC

I can't wait for the tshirt.

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby Arastrus » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:02 pm UTC

Just to mention another "what the fuck this is BIG":

Randall exposed that he compressed the image for web presentation (you can see it when you try to zoom in a single image). Just imagine the original one...

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby Lepton » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:07 pm UTC

Is there a measurable dent in today's productivity yet?

Going left, at some point I had the feeling I had traversed the Pacific and was now exploring Australia. So I thought Randall might have circled the images and I would find myself back where I started. But then I bumped at what I now learn was the west end. Weren't more girls supposed to be there?

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby Torakoun » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:12 pm UTC

Straight up from the intro area, found a hot air balloon, then up further, a whale. Hitchhikers anyone?

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby demonkinesther » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:16 pm UTC

Python scares me, only because I don't know how to use it :cry:

Batch version for those that want to discover the limits. SQR variable denotes the size (original size being 2048), while the next 4 define the outer limits for each. Output is to an html file to be opened in a browser. The limits I found were 9n, 19s, 48e, 33w, but my browser was crapping out on me during the search and wouldn't render images sometimes. Enjoy:

Code: Select all

echo off
cls

set sqr=25

set nmax=9
set smax=19
set emax=48
set wmax=33

set x=%wmax%
set y=%nmax%
set a=w
set b=n

echo ^<nobr^>>>coagulate.htm

:loop
if not %y% gtr 0 goto sside
echo ^<img height="%sqr%" width="%sqr%" border="0" src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/%y%%b%%x%%a%.png"^>>>coagulate.htm
if "%a%"=="e" (
   set /a x=%x%+1
   if %x% equ %emax% (
      set /a x=%wmax%+1
      set a=w
      echo ^<br^>>>coagulate.htm
      if "%b%"=="s" (
         set /a y=%y%+1
         if %y% equ %smax% (
            echo ^</nobr^>>>coagulate.htm
            exit
            )
         )
      if "%b%"=="n" (
         set /a y=%y%-1
         if "%y%"=="1" (
            set y=1
            set b=s
            )
         )
      )
   )
if "%a%"=="w" (
   set /a x=%x%-1
   if "%x%"=="1" (
      set x=1
      set a=e
      )
   )
title Coagulation - %y%%b%%x%%a%
goto loop

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby servman » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:19 pm UTC

All that sky... two balloons, but no Cory Doctorow?

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby jasc15 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:22 pm UTC

Don't want to read the thread because of spoilers, but I just wanted to say I'm waiting for lemmings. I hope I'm not disappointed.

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby VanI » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:22 pm UTC

Torakoun wrote:Straight up from the intro area, found a hot air balloon, then up further, a whale. Hitchhikers anyone?


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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby The Old Wolf » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:27 pm UTC

I think those flying whales are a tip of the hat to Respighi's "Pines of Rome" from Fantasia II, but they could just be random as well.

And, I found Alaska at the bottom of the caves.
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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby BAReFOOt » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:29 pm UTC

EDIT: Okay, I thought I was early on, and only noticed I wasn’t on the first page just now.
And others did much better solutions already. :(

So all I can still offer, is:

Code: Select all

for Y in {1..14}n {1..25}s; do for X in {1..33}w {1..48}e; do echo wget --referer "http://xkcd.com/1110/" "http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/${Y}${X}.png"; done; done


Gets you all the images no your disk.
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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby NevynPA » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:30 pm UTC

So we've got full maps and whatnot now. What about a list/wiki/something that gives a list of the cultural/other xkcd comic references and which grid they're found in?

Spoiler:
We've got Saturn V rockets, the Burj Khalifa, A reference to Hackers (movie), raptors (previous comic), guy on balloon at extreme right (comic 1), whale in the sky (H2G2), an X-wing (duh), underground village (Journey to the Center of the Earth), Super Mario Bros. World 1-1 (including the extra hidden block).

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby Aelfyre » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:34 pm UTC

got as far as "Copy that Gold Leader" before I had to leave for work.. LOL
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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby rossdargan » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:34 pm UTC

Deepzoom version: clickanddrag.azurewebsites.net Sorry, I can't turn it into a URL :-(

Still few of the more detailed view, so when you zoom in it might look fuzzy. Should take about another 30 minutes to have them all uploaded.

Let me know what you think :-)

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby tempest69 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:40 pm UTC

The girl on the guy-wire.. nice
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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby Socks » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:40 pm UTC

First, I immediately used Chrome's awesome features to delete extraneous elements on the page, then modify CSS to make the window my screen resolution so I could see everything and scroll far left to far right in < 2 minutes. That was nice. I'm guessing Randall intended this to be difficult to navigate, though. Oh well!
Second, OH MY GOSH! Incredible! This is so beautiful and (in the true sense of the world) awesome. My favorite XKCD ever.
Third, I know there are some open source google map-y image navigators (MS makes a free one that uses silverlight, I think). I'm really busy this week, but I think that makes more sense than a big image.
EDIT: Thank you Rossdargan!

@TheOldWold: Flying whales are most likely from Douglas Adams's Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy books
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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby jobriath » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:47 pm UTC

Suggested name for underground areas: the Carpel Tunnels.

Loved the quote that went something like "Jesus, why do your footprints turn into tire tracks whenever I was threatened by Decepticons?"

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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby Patrik3 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:47 pm UTC

Lemonade? Aw.. Lemonade? Aw.... Lemonade??? Hehehe...

This just gave me a brilliant idea...

I originally wrote the idea in this topic, but it got long, also I was afraid of derailing this discussion (or just having my idea ignored completely :P )

[url="XKCD Click and Drag Idea"]http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=91416[/url] this is the idea - I've posted it in the "General" board of the forums but I don't know if that's correct so it might get moved and the link might break...

Hope someone reads it!

Edit:
Eutychus wrote:I can sort of understand that, but it's like saying that we shouldn't map the real world either.

Don't you find gazing at world maps (in whatever projection :)) fascinating and awe-inspiring? And would you prefer never to have seen the legendary photo of our globe from the early Apollo missions? I think not.


Actually... whilst I find awe and inspiration in looking at images from across the world, I sometimes wish I hadn't looked at any, because it does remove some of the magic of exploration, to know that you've seen the juiciest landmarks; that all the distant lands have now been mapped...

It was the cheesiest, silliest motivation I've seen in a movie, but the pirates' motivation for trying to beat the Empire in "Pirates of the Caribbean: World's End" was because the Empires' systematic documenting, hunting, and exploring methods were endangering the age of adventure. It felt silly to give that as a reason, given that they had more pressing reasons to deal with the Empire (for example: not dying), but I agree with the sentiment.

On one hand, exploration and mapping often leads to valuable discoveries in communication and science, and it makes exotic holiday destinations more accessible to greater numbers of people (and people who are less keen on adventure and want more "leisurely" holidays). And even those fictional pirates used some maps and navigation devices.

But on the other hand, the idea of exploring and discovering wonders for myself, and especially for the first time, really appeals to me. I'm not disagreeing with your stance, but it's definitely no clear-cut right and wrong between maps or no maps...
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Re: 1110:"Click and Drag"

Postby glen » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:51 pm UTC

Anybody else find the Saturn V ?

It's in the sky!

I could give you the file coordinates, but that wouldn't be as fun.


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