0299: "Aeris Dies"

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Postby Invisible Queen » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:55 pm UTC

Now you got me imagining what the world would look like if we allowed people to name their kids to things involving lisps. Pider Jeruthalem was the first name that occured to me. . .
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Postby Rakshasa » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:57 pm UTC

Invisible Queen wrote:Also, "Aerith" is a ridiculous sounding name. As we see above, the "th" and "s" sounds are interchangeable in the Japanese, so which way you translate it is entirely a matter of taste, so let's stay with the non-retarded-sounding version please.

There is neither 'th' nor 's' sounds in japanese, the closest you get is 'su'.

Her name is エアリス (e-a-ri-su), and is pronounced as written.

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Postby Invisible Queen » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:27 pm UTC

Are you saying the letter "su" doesn't involve an S sound? >_>
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Postby Rakshasa » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:15 pm UTC

Your question shows a complete lack of understanding of japanese pronunciation.

Separating out the 's' from さ、す、そ、せ、し is not possible in the japanese language, and only those who are good at foreign languages seem to manage to pronounce 's' without tacking on an 'u'.

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Postby Aero » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:21 pm UTC

Rakshasa wrote:Your question shows a complete lack of understanding of japanese pronunciation.


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Postby Alan » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:31 pm UTC

I was upset about Aeris dying, but only because she had some of my best equipment.

And I don't think I continued the game much after that. I never did finish it.

So there, Randall. You don't have to go on.

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Postby Shadow » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:52 pm UTC

I remember I got to the Aeris Dies part at 1 in the morning, I must have been 13 years old, wasn't even supposed to be up that late, and it was dark in my basement and their were weird noises in my house.

I was more scared to death than sad.

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Postby Invisible Queen » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:10 pm UTC

Rakshasa wrote:Your question shows a complete lack of understanding of japanese pronunciation.

Separating out the 's' from さ、す、そ、せ、し is not possible in the japanese language, and only those who are good at foreign languages seem to manage to pronounce 's' without tacking on an 'u'.

Okay, there is no "s" sound in Japanese, only "su". Which is not pronounced with an S. Everything is so clear now. You can stop talking.
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Postby fnordulicious » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:08 am UTC

*sigh* Okay, let me help straighten out this Japanese pronunciation nonsense.

Japanese syllable structure is (C)V(N). That means that every syllable contains a vowel, and has an optional single consonant onset and a coda nasalization. Thus if you want to speak a single consonant in Japanese you must include a vowel for it to be a complete syllable. That’s a general phonological restriction of Japanese.

However, there’s a characteristic deletion of word final vowels in Japanese. Thus, a syllable ending in /ɯ/ (written う/ウ, romanized as “uâ€
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Postby bbctol » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:21 am UTC

But... that doesn't answer the question. We care about phonology. Is the su/s thingum pronounced the way we prounce s?

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Postby Kiirani » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:47 am UTC

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Dibley wrote:Now I have to write a slash fanfic for hat guy and philosophical beret guy.


I've always read the beret character as being a girl?? Is there a reference to it being a guy or is it a personal interpretation which varies from person to person??


I always thought that girls had hair. The beret guy doesn't have hair, does he?

Oh, right, and no, yes.

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Postby Jatopian » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:16 am UTC

I totally was suprised that Randall would discuss a porn site. I was still surprised after I figured out it was Final Fantasy.

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Postby ArmonSore » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:20 am UTC

http://xkcd.com/167/

The alt text for Nihilism is, "Why can't you have normal existential angst like all the other boys?"

I'd say that's pretty conclusive evidence for the beret guy being a male.
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Postby cheezitman2001 » Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:15 am UTC

SNAFU wrote:I can't be the only one who hated the plot-hole filled, angst parade that was Final Fantasy VII. The only thing upsetting about Aeris' death to me was the thought, "Great, now I have to listen to a spiky haired emo boy whine about this for the rest of the game."

If you want a really moving, intelligent videogame, play Ico.


I registered just to agree to this, actually.

Personally, I thought the scene in Final Fantasy VI where Celes attempts suicide is infinitely more emotional. Celes had been established as a character with a coherent back story, which is more than can be said about Aeris. And Celes had a reason to die, whereas it always felt to me like Square used Aeris's death as a cheap way to get an emotional response, and give the players reason to talk about the game. It obviously worked, given today's comic. Still, though, Aeris was useless as a character. The only reason she bothered to hang around Cloud was because he reminded her of Zack, her dead lover. Between Aeris falling in love with the same person twice, and Tifa listening to Cloud's obviously incorrect origin story in Kalm, almost all of Discs 2 and 3 could have been averted if one of them had spoken up.

Cloud went emo over Aeris, though, so I blame her over Tifa.

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Postby earthen » Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:35 am UTC

Fun how hard it is to let something go when you didn't ask for it in the first place.

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Postby Maseiken » Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:40 am UTC

earthen wrote:Fun how hard it is to let something go when you didn't ask for it in the first place.

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maggie's gone

Postby MBro » Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:58 am UTC

I have a feeling that the line 'maggie's gone' is a reference to the song "Maggie" by Colin Hay. It's about the singers high school girlfriend who broke up with him and later killed herself.

when i first set eyes on you
first you beat me up
then you kissed me too
we'd throw stones into the sea
there were no others there
just you and me
across the bridge and down the lane
i knew i loved you then
you said you did the same

oh maggie, what have you done?
i should have seen it coming
into your sight i'd run
oh maggie, come to me tonight
i will wait up for you
make sure you're alright
i miss you

you taught me how to sink or swim
when i was scared that day
you just pushed me in
and when nobody was around
you let me kiss you then
there the love i found
i said i'd never let you go
you just smiled at me
how was i to know?

oh, maggie, what am i to do?
how i can live with only memories of you?
oh, maggie, tell me the truth
when your ship was sinking
did you think it through?
i miss you

[Maggie lyrics on http://www.metrolyrics.com]

you were the fountain of my youth
and when i fumbled
you showed me what to do
and when we were both seventeen
you left me standing there
but you were never mean
and when i saw you out with him
he looked much older
and you looked very thin

i hadn't heard from you in years
and then your mama called
she couldn't speak for tears
she said you left me a note
inside my pocket burns
with these words you wrote

hey darling boy, don't you cry for me
i am forever yours
now that i am free
we'll be together
throw stones into the sea
they'll be no others there
just you and me
i miss you
maggie's gone

i think you came the other night
you stroked my brow
your eyes were full of light
may have only been a dream
but i would walk with you
to places i never have been
maggie's gone


Beautiful song.

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Postby Tetelestia » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:36 am UTC

Wednesday is number 300. I wonder if he'll make anything significant of it, or have it be just another comic.

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Postby TheKhakinator » Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:38 am UTC

hendusoone wrote:Crono's death bothered me far more my first time through CT... :cry:

THANKS FOR RUINING A >10 YEAR OLD GAME THAT I HAVEN'T GOT AROUND TO FINISHING YET FOR ME!

*runs off in tears*

Tetelestia wrote:Wednesday is number 300. I wonder if he'll make anything significant of it, or have it be just another comic.

I'm betting a single panel Sparta joke.

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Postby Kurasuke » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:08 am UTC

hendusoone wrote:Crono's death bothered me far more my first time through CT... :cry:


Yeah- at the time he was the strongest member of my party so it left me slightly castrated.

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Postby Shusagi » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:25 am UTC

I was told that Tifa dies instead of Aeris if you're mean to her throughout the game up to that point.. >>;..

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Postby DJH47 » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:35 am UTC

Kurasuke wrote:Yeah- at the time he was the strongest member of my party so it left me slightly castrated.


How can you be 'slightly' castrated? Do you have only one testicle? :P
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Postby Unforgiven » Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:25 am UTC

Invisible Queen wrote:
Rakshasa wrote:Your question shows a complete lack of understanding of japanese pronunciation.

Separating out the 's' from さ、す、そ、せ、し is not possible in the japanese language, and only those who are good at foreign languages seem to manage to pronounce 's' without tacking on an 'u'.

Okay, there is no "s" sound in Japanese, only "su". Which is not pronounced with an S. Everything is so clear now. You can stop talking.

Of course there is an 's' sound in 'su'. It's just that many Japanese people find it very difficult to pronounce the 's' without tacking on a vowel. This is exacerbated by the fact that in the Japanese syllabic writing system(s), you cannot write a stand-alone 's' ("su" is a single character; there is no character for "s") so if an English word or name is written this way, these additional vowels get added. The "n" is the only consonant that can be written without a vowel following it.

More on topic, the only video game death that has ever affected me was when Spirit died in Wing Commander 2.

"She flew straight into that space station, like destroying it was more important than her life. All of her torpedoes exploded on impact... And I couldn't do anything to save her. I'll never forget the last words she said to me... 'Tengoku de omachishite imasu'...I will wait for you in Heaven."
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Postby Lester :P » Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:59 am UTC

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sean22190 wrote:Is "maggie" a reference over my head, or just some name?


If it's a reference, it's over my head as well... anyone what to make me feel stupid and point out what it's a reference to, or is it in fact just a random name like it seems?


Same question...


The first thing I thought of when I read this comic is "Is Maggie a real person?" Followed shortly by "Should I send Randall flowers or something?" and "They'll probably know over at the forum".

I've always thought that Stick Guy is Randall, and that this was all semi-autobiographical.


Presumably the more romantic/sad ones are, but the plain humourous ones could just be hey thats funny and I have a comic to do...

I've always wondered how many comics ahead he is, 2? 4? 8? 16? 32? 64!? 128!?! 256!?!?

How will we ever know?

Also I have never heard Maggie as a nickname for Megan, I thought that she was aother video game character, although if she's a person, it is funnier, perhaps Randalls friend has just gotten into the 'I can laugh about it now' part of recovering from a breakup?

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voodooKobra wrote:More major characters need to die in video games. Like Link's dad/uncle/whatever in A Link to the Past.
Wouldn't it be ironic, if Zelda died instead?

Don't ya think?


Like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife... :roll:
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Postby Rakshasa » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:51 am UTC

Unforgiven wrote:Of course there is an 's' sound in 'su'. It's just that many Japanese people find it very difficult to pronounce the 's' without tacking on a vowel. This is exacerbated by the fact that in the Japanese syllabic writing system(s), you cannot write a stand-alone 's' ("su" is a single character; there is no character for "s") so if an English word or name is written this way, these additional vowels get added. The "n" is the only consonant that can be written without a vowel following it.

It is also worth noting that there does not exist any japanese word that starts with 'n', and its use in a word causes a slight pause when pronounced. So 'n' is an exceptional case.

bbctol wrote:But... that doesn't answer the question. We care about phonology. Is the su/s thingum pronounced the way we prounce s?


Probably the closest they get to a true 's', is the -masu ending as mentioned above, yet even then it is still a 'su' where it dies down before the 'u' becomes audible.

Another example is しってる (shitteru), where they pause before 'teru'. Depending on how early they pause, it can be pronounced as the whole 'shi', 'sh or 's'. When pronouncing it, you still say it as if you are going for the whole 'shi'.

So how close they get to an 's' depends on what follows it, Aeris probably has too much weight on the final s.

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Postby Sprocket » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:55 pm UTC

Overall I think really this whole comic says a lot about modern society and death. We just plain don't accept it. Friends and relatives and old people are left to die alone in miserable hospitals and nursing homes, (which is incredibly sick and twisted) becuase we feel this need to act like death isn't something that happens. Our movies and stories and tv shows only let someone die if it's absolutely neccesary, and usually they're a super hero or a magical creature that comes back or has a guarenteed after life embeded in the universe of the characters.

Randall may not really be that deep, but at least that's what it made me think about.
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Agreed, we never think we, or anyone else we know is going to die, and if they do, we just invent some place for them to be.
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Postby Cheese » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:52 pm UTC

I try not to think of death, because I know that the chances of me understanding it all before I myself die are pretty much nil. This may seem like running away from the problem, but it's better than sitting sadly contemplating it, IMO.
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Postby Invisible Queen » Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:30 pm UTC

You don't have to sadly contemplate death to accept the reality of it. There's a saying going around that only those who face death have the power to define freedom, implying that those who don't smoke and eat healthily and other such trivial things that may extend your life do so in the hope of living forever but in the process become slaves to death.

I don't know if that's relevant if you're completely ignoring death of course. All I know is you never feel so alive as when you're most aware of your mortality.
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Postby Sprocket » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:05 pm UTC

Invisible Queen wrote:You don't have to sadly contemplate death to accept the reality of it. There's a saying going around that only those who face death have the power to define freedom, implying that those who don't smoke and eat healthily and other such trivial things that may extend your life do so in the hope of living forever but in the process become slaves to death.

I don't know if that's relevant if you're completely ignoring death of course. All I know is you never feel so alive as when you're most aware of your mortality.


I agree with your initial statement, but I don't smoke because it's just gross, and i don't want to die an early and most importantly PAINFUL CANCEROUS death...the same goes for not eatting yourself into a heart attack. You can accept death and accept that your life is worth working for.
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Postby Closet Science Geek » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:29 pm UTC

Kurasuke wrote:
hendusoone wrote:Crono's death bothered me far more my first time through CT... :cry:


Yeah- at the time he was the strongest member of my party so it left me slightly castrated.


As much as I love CT, Crono's death didn't really bother me that much. I mean, the dude doesn't talk and really doesn't have a personality; what's there to miss aside from a few badass Triple Techs? But I guess the death of a character who doesn't talk might hurt some people even more because they're projecting themselves and their best qualities onto him.

Maybe I just identified more with the female characters: Lucca was definitely the brains of the operation and Ayla was a complete badass, and once you got Marle's level up high enough, even she could kick some ass.

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Postby ArmonSore » Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:03 pm UTC

Invisible Queen wrote:You don't have to sadly contemplate death to accept the reality of it. There's a saying going around that only those who face death have the power to define freedom, implying that those who don't smoke and eat healthily and other such trivial things that may extend your life do so in the hope of living forever but in the process become slaves to death.


I really don't understand how not smoking and eating healthily are "trivial". Doing these things will increase the length of your life, and (perhaps more importantly) will increase the quality of your life.

Also, being a slave to death is worse than being a slave to the cigarette corporations?
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Postby Invisible Queen » Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:22 pm UTC

Probably, since you're bound with every part of your life instead of a small amount of money per day.

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Postby Vaniver » Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:26 pm UTC

some negative effect it has in the present.
Like lowering temperature in extremeties? Making one smell terrible and/or making one's teeth less pretty? The expenditure of funds that could be used for something else?
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Postby ArmonSore » Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:33 pm UTC

But that depends on how you define the present. Is it the present for the person who is just now starting to smoke? Is it the present for the person who's been smoking for twenty years?

Constant coughing can't possibly feel good. My brother smokes a pack a day. Let's say that a cigarette takes five minutes to smoke. And there's about 20 cigarettes in a pack (I'm not sure of that). So you're wasting 1.6 hours a day on cigarette smoking. Awesome.
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Postby kwan3217 » Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:08 pm UTC

Lester :P wrote:
kwan3217 wrote:I've always thought that Stick Guy is Randall, and that this was all semi-autobiographical.


Presumably the more romantic/sad ones are, but the plain humourous ones could just be hey thats funny and I have a comic to do...



That's kinda the entire point. If Maggie is real, this is very romantic/sad.
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Postby bbctol » Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:33 pm UTC

Invisible Queen wrote:You don't have to sadly contemplate death to accept the reality of it. There's a saying going around that only those who face death have the power to define freedom, implying that those who don't smoke and eat healthily and other such trivial things that may extend your life do so in the hope of living forever but in the process become slaves to death.

I don't know if that's relevant if you're completely ignoring death of course. All I know is you never feel so alive as when you're most aware of your mortality.


Being afraid of death and wanting to improve and lengthen your life are different. I prefer being alive to being dead. Does this make me afraid of death? Of course not. People who try to be healthy aren't constantly worrying about things that could kill them, they're enjoying their healthy bodies and minds for as long as they can.

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Postby Sprocket » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:33 pm UTC

Invisible Queen wrote:Probably, since you're bound with every part of your life instead of a small amount of money per day.

Challenge: Name an argument against smoking that doesn't rely on its future dangers of health problems and addiction, some negative effect it has in the present.


Isn't the fact that they taste like crap and why would you want to smoke them anyway good enough?

Personally I think death is something to be avoided until it's inevitable, not something that should be covered up or hidden. There's a HUGE difference. Why would you need an excuse not to smoke besides the health issues?

bbctol wrote:Being afraid of death and wanting to improve and lengthen your life are different. I prefer being alive to being dead. Does this make me afraid of death? Of course not. People who try to be healthy aren't constantly worrying about things that could kill them, they're enjoying their healthy bodies and minds for as long as they can.

mozel tov and precisely! We're not hypochondriacs fer gads sake. I still eat sushi despite the fact that raw tuna can kill you. I still walk in the woods, despite that people are sometimes crushed by falling trees. I cross the street and get into cars despite all those dangers...I fly in airplanes because I don't see anything wrong with it at all. But doing really unnecessary unpleasurable things just to make sure I'm not afraid of death is pretty much ridiculous. OF COURSE I'm afraid of death! That's called a biological imperative! Earth is a neat-o place, I like my friends and I want to be here to enjoy it for awhile. I'm sure if someone tried to murder you, you'd probably run away, right? Because you're sane! Neat-o!
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Postby Doug-W » Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:10 pm UTC

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Postby Devilsaur » Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:13 pm UTC

Closet Science Geek wrote:As much as I love CT, Crono's death didn't really bother me that much. I mean, the dude doesn't talk and really doesn't have a personality; what's there to miss aside from a few badass Triple Techs? But I guess the death of a character who doesn't talk might hurt some people even more because they're projecting themselves and their best qualities onto him.
I got it ruined by cheesy hollywood expectations. I mean theres no way they're going to let the main character, who is supposed to be you, just die halfway through the game. Maybe at the very end, after sacrificing himself to kill the big bad evil guy. :roll:

Also this strip was really kinda morbid... I didn't find it funny at all and it reminded me of this PA one.

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