ijuin wrote:Pfhorrest wrote:- The third party system pitted abolitionist, and still industrialist and business-focused, Republicans, against the Democrats, with overwhelming Republican dominance for decades to come.
One Democrat got elected president, the Panic of 1893 happened, and Republicans apparently got... even more popular? This is the change over I'm not clear on. What exactly changed here? Was this just a "yeah Democrats still suck, one got in the White House and look what happened to the economy" moment, really cementing Republicans into power?
The "abolitionist" part is a major reason for Republican dominance from the end of the American Civil War until post-WWI. Essentially, the Democrats continued to promote the interests of the same groups of people that they had before slavery was abolished (i.e. they promoted the interests of former-slaveholder types while waving the racism flag via "Jim Crow" legislation meant to keep freed slaves and their descendants from gaining political influence. Basically the Democrats were seen as promoting racism while the Republicans were seen as promoting racial integration.).
However, this started to turn on its head beginning with the New Deal, where Democrats started to be seen as being more pro-Labour-rights than Republicans (especially with backlash against the Herbert Hoover administration). A generation later, when Democrats came out in support for civil rights for minorities, the hardline racists switched over to the Republican party in disgust, which led to the modern party alignments.
Yeah, but where I'm confused is that there was apparently a transition from one party system to another, on paper at least, between the one that put the Republicans in power (the Civil War) and the one that supplanted them with the Democrats (the New Deal). The changes at those two transitions are very clear, and you've recapped them above. But the one in between them... doesn't seem to have changed anything. The Civil War ended the Second Party System and ushered in the Third. The New Deal ended the Fourth and ushered in the Fifth. But... what happened at the transition from the Third to the Fourth? There was a brief financial crisis and one term with a Democrat in the White House, but before and after that both there were apparently the exact same Democrat and Republican parties and the latter was on top with that one brief exception. If the Party Systems changed at that point, shouldn't there be something different before and after?
- 1. After Washington's administration we got Democratic-Republicans vs Federalists
- 2. Then the Federalists collapsed and we got Jacksonian Democrats vs Whigs
- 3. Then the Civil War happened and we got Jacksonian Democrats vs Lincoln Republicans
- 4. Then Panic of 1893 happened and we got... Jacksonian Democrats vs Lincoln Republicans still?
- 5(i). Then the New Deal happened and we got FDR Democrats vs Lincoln Republicans
- 5(ii) Then the Vietnam War happened and we got modern Democrats vs modern Republicans
It's that fourth stage I don't get. Why isn't that just part of the third?