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Re: Everything is racism

Postby jewish_scientist » Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:22 pm UTC

Do you have a definition of race that is not rooted in biology or culture?
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Re: Everything is racism

Postby Pfhorrest » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:54 pm UTC

I think doogly is highlighting how no concept of race anybody ever actually uses actually corresponds to the real biological relatedness of peoples.

E.g. if you wanted "Native American" to make sense as one race, then for biological consistency you would have to say that there are multiple "Asian" races, multiple "European" races, and tons and tons of "African" races. If you wanted "Asian" to make sense as one race, then all "Native Americans" would also have to count as "Asians", and you'd still have multiple "European" races, and even more "African" races. If you wanted "European" to make sense as one race, then you'd have to lump in all of the "Asians" and "Native Americans" with them too -- all Eurasians and their descendants -- and you'd still have multiple "African" races. If you wanted "African" to make sense as one race, then we are all Africans. But nobody's conception of "race" actually corresponds to that.
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Re: Everything is racism

Postby elasto » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:42 pm UTC

People call it biological when really they mean genealogical - ie. who are your parents and who were their parents? It's a form of discrimination at least as old as the Bible and the Cagot or the Dalits in India show persists even into the modern era.

That's why you get things like the one-drop rule which make no sense as anything other than genealogical bigotry.

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Re: Everything is racism

Postby doogly » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:06 pm UTC

jewish_scientist wrote:Do you have a definition of race that is not rooted in biology or culture?

nope, if you want to root in 'biology or culture' then this is an expansion on the prior page and i am down to clown
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Re: Everything is racism

Postby dg61 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:58 am UTC

I mean, "Race" is a meaningless concept biologically/scientifically, or at least not really reflective of anything beyond "what 18th century people looking to justify Atlantic slavery seized on and extended to other contexts". OF course it has a consistent and strong social reality.


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