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caution knowledge you may not want

Postby phillip1882 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:29 am UTC

Eternity
if your life truly was eternal, then think about it you must do everything eventually. you'll learn the whole internet you'll have sex and murder and drive crazy and play every game with every person. at some point your body would either stop aging or degenerate until your nothing but skin and bones.

The Difference Between Chess and Go
a chess set has several pieces that interact with each other. they fight to defend and destroy the king.
Go is like a Lego building block game. you create your own "pieces" by play in valuable spots to maximize the point value.
chess is like a boxing match. go is like a negotiation.

The Value of a Dollar
look closely at your money.
its a piece of paper with a number on it. why is the dollar with a five on it more valuable than a dollar with a one?
the only reason is everyone agrees to it, but why do people agree to it?
if i gave you a mostly blank piece of paper with the number 1, and showed you a second piece of paper with a five, would you want the one with a five on it 5 times more than the one with a one?

the problem with taxes as theft
if taxes is theft, and theft is a violation of property rights, and you have the right to defend yourself against such, then you should be able to use self defense against taxes.
clearly something needs to give. either i give up my right to use self defense, i give up that theft is violation of property rights,
i give up taxation as theft, or i wage war on the government.
i personally give up that taxes s theft, taxes is the price i pay to live in a civilized society.

the role of government
the role of government is two fold defend the innocent and make the rules fair for everyone.
i personally am not sure what the set of rules should be, the constitution is good place to start, but it doesn't list any crimes other than treason.
the goal of government is not to take care of anyone, just make sure business are playing fair and protect you from acts of violence.
more specifically, the government should have the courts of law, the prisons, the police, the army, and maybe infrastructure.

across the universe
thoughts meander like a restless wind in side a letter box
they stumble while they pass this way across the universe
limitless undying love surrounds me like a millions suns and calls me on and on across the universe
poll of sorrow waves of joy are slipping through my open mind caressing and possessing me
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when ever i think of this sung i try to imagine what it would be like. i picture a man meditating in the center of thousands of big balls of light spinning around him.
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Re: caution knowledge you may not want

Postby ucim » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:50 am UTC

phillip1882 wrote:if your life truly was eternal, then think about it you must do everything eventually.
No. This is not true. Trivial example: your life could be a finite cycle that repeats forever. Consider the set of all numbers that do not include the digit "4". There are an infinite number of them, but that set will never have 341, 59680411, or 14 in it.

phillip1882 wrote:look closely at your money. its a piece of paper
If I promise to give you a backrub Tuesday if you mow my lawn Monday, and you wanted a backrub, would you do it? What if I forget when Tuesday rolls around? Wouldn't you want a piece of paper that says "backrub" on it? (Well, a piece of paper that says "ucim owes phillip1882 a backrub, payable Tuesday"?) Look more closely at your money.

phillip1882 wrote:the problem with taxes as theft
Yep. You nailed that one.

phillip1882 wrote:the role of government is two fold defend the innocent and make the rules fair for everyone.
Well, that's an opinion; the role of government is whatever the people who formed the government decide it is. I think the role of government should be {blah blah blah}; it's a reasonable start for discourse on what kind of government we want to live under. But should we decide for others what their government should be? (That's another reasonable topic for discourse.) Short answer: though I like your goal, it's not that simple.

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Re: caution knowledge you may not want

Postby commodorejohn » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:12 pm UTC

I mean, I could spend eternity just replaying Megaman 2.
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Re: caution knowledge you may not want

Postby CorruptUser » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:21 pm UTC

Ultimately, if people saw money as fake, there would still be at least one thing backing it; taxes. As long as everyone with property needs to pay their property tax in money, there will always be a demand for that money, no matter how much of a joke people think money is. Think of cigarette currency in prisons; most people don't smoke, but as long as there is someone in prison who does, cigarettes will still have value as they can be exchanged to the smokers for other goods and services.

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Re: caution knowledge you may not want

Postby Tyndmyr » Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:05 pm UTC

phillip1882 wrote:Eternity
if your life truly was eternal, then think about it you must do everything eventually. you'll learn the whole internet you'll have sex and murder and drive crazy and play every game with every person. at some point your body would either stop aging or degenerate until your nothing but skin and bones.


That's not true. You'll only ever do anything that you have a chance of doing. If you wake up every morning, flip a coin, and go a murderin' if the coin comes up heads, then sure, enough days of flipping is effectively a guarantee. But that's not what most people do.

The Difference Between Chess and Go
a chess set has several pieces that interact with each other. they fight to defend and destroy the king.
Go is like a Lego building block game. you create your own "pieces" by play in valuable spots to maximize the point value.
chess is like a boxing match. go is like a negotiation.


This sounds like pro-go stuff. It's a game with a large number of potential board configurations, but strength of board position is a thing in chess as well.

The Value of a Dollar
look closely at your money.
its a piece of paper with a number on it. why is the dollar with a five on it more valuable than a dollar with a one?
the only reason is everyone agrees to it, but why do people agree to it?
if i gave you a mostly blank piece of paper with the number 1, and showed you a second piece of paper with a five, would you want the one with a five on it 5 times more than the one with a one?


The answer is network effects. Everyone accepts the dollar because everyone accepts the dollar, and it's easier to go with the existing system than to create a new one. If you want to use bitcoins or something, though, go nuts. As long as you can convince other people it is a good enough system for them to adopt it, you can create money in practice.

the problem with taxes as theft
if taxes is theft, and theft is a violation of property rights, and you have the right to defend yourself against such, then you should be able to use self defense against taxes.
clearly something needs to give. either i give up my right to use self defense, i give up that theft is violation of property rights,
i give up taxation as theft, or i wage war on the government.
i personally give up that taxes s theft, taxes is the price i pay to live in a civilized society.


Or, more accurately, you accept that taxes should only fund things worth stealing for. Most people accept that someone stealing a loaf of bread to not starve is ethically less evil than the billionare stealing bread from starving people. Both are theft, but they are not equal. "Taxes are theft" is merely a starting point for a discussion over their role, not a license to murder people.

As for "the price you pay to live in civilized society", one could say the same about protection rackets.

the role of government
the role of government is two fold defend the innocent and make the rules fair for everyone.
i personally am not sure what the set of rules should be, the constitution is good place to start, but it doesn't list any crimes other than treason.
the goal of government is not to take care of anyone, just make sure business are playing fair and protect you from acts of violence.
more specifically, the government should have the courts of law, the prisons, the police, the army, and maybe infrastructure.


This seems like merely a statement of belief. I don't have any particular problem with the government funding courts, prisons, police, army, etc, but the rationale of why the goal of the government should be x is more interesting than merely stating a belief. What differentiates these things from other things?

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Re: caution knowledge you may not want

Postby Zohar » Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:43 pm UTC

I'm sorry, I can't comment because my mind is still blown from the original post.
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Re: caution knowledge you may not want

Postby Ranbot » Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:09 pm UTC

Knowledge the OP may not want: The first post's random launching of ideas at the proverbial wall to see what sticks is either stupid, trolling, or both. Regardless, it's a dumb way to start a discussion and pretty much guarantees the discussion will go nowhere.

I also couldn't help noticing that phillip1882 appears to have a very unique keyboard glitch that does not let them capitalize the letter "i" but other letters, like "Lego," "Go," and "OM" are unaffected. :roll:

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Re: caution knowledge you may not want

Postby Tyndmyr » Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:49 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:I'm sorry, I can't comment because my mind is still blown from the original post.


Clearly, should have paid attention to the uncapitalized title warning you of the vast wisdom contained within.

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Re: caution knowledge you may not want

Postby Pfhorrest » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:21 pm UTC

this thread isn't worth responding to, but re: the taxes-as-theft thing, you seem to have overlooked the possibility of just not fighting a thief? if a mugger says "your money or your life" and you give him your money, that doesn't mean you've decided that you're not being robbed, just that it's not worth fighting the robber.
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Re: caution knowledge you may not want

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:39 pm UTC

This is what happens when you spend all your time in Forum Games.
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