ekzrated wrote:Just to mix it up a bit, how much of a factor does anyone think being physically attractive plays a role in this? We know that the more physically attractive people tend to hold better positions. Has anyone walked around Walmart on an average weekend? Some of those people will never be rich because of their upbringing, appearance, education, intelligence level, etc.
Sure it's their personal fault that they're fat, uneducated, uninformed, and on and on. I don't know how well accomplished everyone on this forum, but some of these things are kind of hard to overcome one at a time, but all together?
It seems that some of the people on this board seem to think that everyone starts at the same point, or that by sheer determination all obstacles can be overcome. Sometimes this is not the case. As with all other types of discussions, there are many other factors, not just self determination to overcome.
That's an interesting point. I know I'll be more successful since I lost weight on the "cheap bastard" diet. Other than that, I'd like to hear what other think about that specific point.
*****This is a break***
Maybe I'm biased, so here's my thoughts on the subject.
My father was one of six children, he was born into poverty, and his father died when he was a kid.
As it stands, he's a prosecuting attorney, having worked during the day to pay for night law school.
A friend of his (who happens to be one of the nicest people I've ever met) is a self-made millionaire that owns several businesses.
A decade earlier, he was in prison on felony charges.
A mere acquaintance of his was also self made millionaire (no, I'm not throwing that word around, it's true for both of them) who owned a couple of motels.
He's also a high-school dropout and illiterate.
But that's a pretty narrow viewpoint, now isn't it?
I should probably mention that (according to a teacher) I went to a high school where 60% of the students lived below the poverty line. From speaking to my classmates I found two basic schools of thought:
"Everything in my life is terrible and it's all someone else's fault and there's nothing I can do about it so I'm going to drop out of school and go live in a trailer."
"I hope I never become rich, rich people are evil you know. By the way, do you want to buy some pot?"
Not to mention the lovely young lady I met while I worked at the hospital.
"Pfft. You're dumb to work. I get everything I need for free." (she was talking about welfare)
Plus this gem I overheard at the grocery store.
"What do you mean I'm fired?! It's not my fault I didn't show up last week! Some (expletive deleted) judge put me me in prison because it's somehow 'my fault' that she made me hit her!" ("her" was probably his girlfriend, since domestic abuse wasn't uncommon)
Moving on to group #2
"My dad's had some trouble finding a good job since we moved here. And with as many siblings as I have it can get a little difficult at times. Thankfully our neighbors have been a lot of help and when things are really bad we can usually depend on government assistance until we get back on our feet. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go mail off this essay so I can earn a scholarship to pay for college."
"I've just hit a bit of a rough spot recently. I lost my job when the factory closed, but I just got my GED, so I can get a better job and get my life back in order."
All of those examples are real people that I have actually met in my life. I admit that it'd be foolish to claim that I have enough life experience to know the answer.
I'll also concede that the people in Group #1 probably had parents that taught them that everything wrong is someone else's fault or that the world owes them or that only evil people are rich. However, I also firmly believe that people can form their own thoughts and opinions that are separate from that of their parents.
Well, that's my two cents worth, you can take it or leave it. Or I suppose you could just take one cent and leave the other. Or perhaps you could take some wire cutters and deface the two of them, as if to metaphorically destroy my thoughts. Which, you know, seems kind of rude.