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Postby My Uncivilized God » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:19 am UTC

I'm enlisting. Not as in- thinking about it, as in- going in tomorrow for the physical. I'm scared. Really fucking scared. I'll be in Basic Training by next week.

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Postby Malice » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:29 am UTC

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Postby Nullcline » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:08 am UTC

And why the Army? Are you scared of BASIC, or of where you'll be sent afterwards? If you get into the right jobs, even as an enlisted, you can spend up to 2 or 3 years in school.
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Postby 22/7 » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:54 am UTC

A buddy of mine was pretty poor but wanted to go to college, but he was deathly afraid of serving in a combat role. So he did his research, found an aircraft that was only used for training missions in North America and signed up, specializing in fixing that type of aircraft. I couldn't tell you which one it is (I'm a car guy, not an airplane guy).
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Re: U.S. Army

Postby Silas » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:00 am UTC

What's your MOS (going to be)? Where will you be doing Basic? I have some acquaintances who have been through Ft. Sill, and one through Ft. Benning. The most important piece of advice I can pass along is this: if you get your physical in Richmond, VA, there's a doc who has a fake hand (like, a rubber hand, he's not an amputee). He's said to put it on one of your shoulders and one real hand on the other while he does the... exam.

On a more serious note, good luck and godspeed. It may not always feel like it, but there are a lot of us who appreciate what you're doing.
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Re: U.S. Army

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Re: U.S. Army

Postby ZeroSum » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:39 pm UTC

Thank you.

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Re: U.S. Army

Postby Eon_Enigma » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:06 pm UTC

Good luck, have fun, and besides how bad could it be?
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Postby Indon » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:12 pm UTC

My Uncivilized God wrote:I'm enlisting. Not as in- thinking about it, as in- going in tomorrow for the physical. I'm scared. Really fucking scared. I'll be in Basic Training by next week.

Thoughts, suggestions, flames. Leave them, and I'll get back to you when I get back.


Wait, you're going to MEPS for the physical... _after_ signing your enlistment contract? I didn't think it worked that way.

In the event that you have in fact not yet signed your enlistment (or entry-into-Delayed-Enlistment-Program) contract yet, a few things you should bear in mind:

-GET A GUARANTEED MOS WRITTEN INTO YOUR CONTRACT. For all intents and purposes, if you do not get a job written into your contract, you're going to end up as whatever job the Army needs - which is infantry, I'm pretty sure.

-Until you have actually _signed_ your enlistment contract, you are not obligated to the US military.

If you've already signed your enlistment contract, a couple tips for basic (Mind that I'm USAF, not USAR, but I hear the army's been taking elements from the air force basic training regimen, so some of it may apply):

-Don't mind when the sergeants scream at you. That's their job.
-Yes, it is important that you master folding your t-shirts in that way. Don't ask why.
-Never leave your weapon unguarded, never point the barrel at anything you aren't going to shoot, always clear your weapon at the designated clearing barrel. They'll only tell you this like ten zillion times, but it probably bears repeating..

Edit: And sign up for the kicker for your Montgomery GI Bill. It's only 600 bucks.
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Re: U.S. Army

Postby Vaniver » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:46 pm UTC

ZeroSum wrote:Thank you.
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Postby Indon » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:03 pm UTC

Gunfingers wrote:3) Make the best of it and you'll be glad you enlisted. You're going to find that the pay isn't half bad (we've had a republican in office 8 years, after all), and the benefits are pretty awesome.


Republicans in office have not correlated to increased military pay and benefits since Nixon, if I recall. In fact, the quality of VA services has consistently dropped over this past president.
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Re: U.S. Army

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Postby Kosenjou » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:22 pm UTC

...during the '90s it was incredibly low. As in if-you-were-junior-enlisted-and-had-a-family-you-were-on-foodstamps low.


I did my time in the Marine Corps from 90-96 and at that time a non-rate (E1 - E3) could expect to make around $1k a month with BAQ included. BAS + COLA would add another $500 or so on top which gives aproximately $1500/month for an E3 or below. Depending upon where you were stationed and whether you were able to get on-base housing, this ranged from enough money for a family of 4 with some left over to not nearly enough to even pay for housing, much less food, utilities, etc.

My Uncivilized God, you may have taken the easy way out and joined the Army :wink: but I still thank you for your upcoming service. Listen to your Drill Instructors, keep your head and ass down and don't volunteer for anything and you will be fine.

If there are any questions I can answer I'm happy to do so either in the thread or via PM.

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Postby Akula » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:14 am UTC

Gunfingers wrote:2) Try to minimize how many times you acknowledge to XKCD that you're in the military. I've already been called a babykiller on these fora once and it gets old. Actually, just keep it to yourself in general.


Really? Really!?

Shit, I definitely see this happening on the internet in general, but I'm a little shocked something like that would happen here. I suppose it could just be trolls or something... I can't think of any regulars like that. Certainly there's a few way out on the left, but in my experience they're all plenty intelligent and I would think they'd be above such things.

... sorry, this sort of thing just pisses me right the fuck off.

As for the OP... nothing to add really other then good luck and thank you.
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Re: U.S. Army

Postby backslash » Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:44 am UTC

I was in the Army from '85-'89 as an Armored Reconnaissance Specialist (19d, for you MOS buffs). I graduated top of my basic class at Fort Knox, first place in the MILES test, and received the platoon professionalism award from my peers. It was a good experience, overall, but since you asked I will give you two pieces of advice.

On the one hand, M.U.G., you had *better* be scared. You are signing your life away. Literally. Get used to it. I knew too many guys who were in because they wanted the GI Bill, or they thought they were getting a free couple of years of discipline, or whatever. Things became very difficult for them when they were faced with the reality of what being a soldier means. When you raise your hand at the reception station and take that oath, LISTEN to what you are saying. You are giving all your life to your country. It is an awesome, scary thing to sign up. If there is a part of you that thinks you are going in for any other reason than to serve, best to advise that part that it is in error. This will make things much easier to bear mentally for you, which leads me to my second point...

Those drills that shout at people in movies? Same crap goes on now. *But*, if you keep squirreled away in a small part of your mind one little fact, it will help. Those drills have a job to do: prepare you for combat. They have nothing against you personally. Don't take anything personally. They are trying to make you into someone who can survive the experience. That is a good thing. Learn what you can.

All that said, you have my utmost respect for what you are doing. It takes an immense amount of character, an intense commitment, and a lot of sacrifice to do what you are about to do. Especially in the face of criticism from people you are signing up to protect, who have no idea what it takes. Thank you for serving. And good luck.

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Postby Robin S » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:15 am UTC

Akula wrote:... sorry, this sort of thing just pisses me right the fuck off.
Some of the things I've seen said about Israel piss me off, but I have come to accept that being, on average, more intelligent than most of the population does not remove people's tendency to get worked up over things they feel strongly about.
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Re: U.S. Army

Postby Gunfingers » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:10 pm UTC

Akula wrote:Really? Really!?


I'm actually surprised that this would surprise you. Have you read the threads here? Like the guy who thinks it's okay to bully religous people into not being religous*? Or the thread where we spend two pages calling catholics stupid? Did you miss Mighty Jalapeno unable to conceive of someone not sharing his opinion on universal health care? Hell, even our esteemed Belial, in this thread, compared the deployed military to Lord of the Flies**. As a bonus, just go to news and articles and read any thread with the word "republican" in the title.

I'm not saying everyone here is some raving hippy liberal stereotype. XKCD is a forum frequented mostly by intelligent and educated people, but that doesn't mean we don't have our share of bigotry***. Personally, i believe it's just that so many of the forumgoers here are so young.



*To be fair, he was mostly booed down.
**I'm pretty sure he didn't actually mean it nearly as negatively as i'm making it sound here. I'm also still trying to decide if Fearbears was being ironic with his post in that thread.
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Postby 22/7 » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:06 pm UTC

That's pretty much exactly what I was going to say, GF. And I can't really tell if Fear was trying to be ironic either. If he was, it was lost on me (and I'm not the only one).
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Postby hellmitre » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:05 am UTC

I seriously considered going into the US Army, combat infantry. I don't know why I wanted to or specifically, why the combat infantry. Just... something about that really did. I have a lot of respect for people in the military. A lot of ... I dunno, bravery goes into it. I think I wanted to be one of those people I respect. You have my utmost respect.

As for boot camp, don't be scared of it. It's a mental and physical test. Mostly against yourself. Your body can take it, your mind can take it. You really can. It's not particularly hard. They'll ride you if you can't do 20 chinups after a 4 mile run, but that's them pushing you to improve. If you can let your own mind and own desire for physical and mental strength be what drives you, you'll play right along with what they want.

I honestly wanted to do boot camp, just to see if I could take it. To say 'Fuck you, body, I'm not going to listen to you screaming in pain. I can do this and I will.' Take what you want from that anecdote; it may be of use.
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Postby Robin S » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:29 pm UTC

Gunfingers wrote:Personally, i believe it's just that so many of the forumgoers here are so young.
I beg to differ. I see no significant negative correlation between age and bigotry most places I go.
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Postby ErrantBit » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:22 pm UTC

I find it a little strange (although accurate, I guess) that bashing the military and bashing religion are associated. The principal reason I can see for attacking the military is the belief that killing someone is always wrong, which seems suspiciously like a certain institution's position. I personally have noticed a very strong relationship between age and both tendencies, although maybe that is just because young people like me (18) can avoid dealing for the most part with most of the people we are discussing and are therefore less concerned with tact and less inclined to empathy.

I personally would not criticize nor praise someone who goes into the military. You have my respect as much as anyone who does a difficult job, but none in particular for facilitating military action. That said, even though you probably won't read this, I wish you retroactively the best of luck.

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Postby Insignificant Deifaction » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:29 pm UTC

Age Discussion: Out! Out of this thread! Begone you hideous recurrent daemon from Gehenna!

Seriously, what the hell people? I thought for once we could go without bringing age into this.

As for the bigots, I thought it was a large part of our job to hunt down and exterminate them? (a la 'there are no girls on the internet!') Despite the inherent hypocrisy.
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Postby Robin S » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:33 pm UTC

ErrantBit wrote:The principal reason I can see for attacking the military is the belief that killing someone is always wrong, which seems suspiciously like a certain institution's position.
Fallacy of association: some religious people are against killing people for any reason; you disagree with things that some (not necessarily the same) religious people do; therefore you should not be against killing people for any reason.

Also, I'm sure plenty of people are against the military without being against killing people for any reason whatsoever. The two aren't equivalent.
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Re: U.S. Army

Postby DougP » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:32 pm UTC

There is one single reason that I would not join the army under any circumstances. I am not willing to abdicate to another (person or group), my ability to define who my enemies are. In the army, you must follow orders about who to shoot at, and who to kill, and I am not willing to give that decision to someone else.

That being said, I hope you make it back alive, wherever you go, though I can't say I support any of the wars we are involved in right now.

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Postby My Uncivilized God » Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:45 am UTC

This may end up being a long post, so right at the beginning, I'm going to apologize for the opening post. I absorbed (through an almost symbiotic bond with my family) their idea of the military as it was during Vietnam. On a subconscious level, I was under the impression that people got recruited, inspected and shipped out- fast. Not so. Also, they know absolutely everything about me now. They know more about me than I know about myself.

So, I apologize for my naivety.

I'm now a recruit in the U.S. Army, I paid attention during the oath, and I take it very fucking seriously. A lot more seriously than I did before I went through the physical. I can't really explain my point of view, because a lot of mental factors are involved, but I want to do this. I want basic, I want this job. Let's move on.

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I am about as content as a human being can get when they're sleep deprived. I don't think anyone gets to sleep early before the physical, and since they wake you up at 4:00AM, you don't get much sleep, period.


For those of you thanking me, you're welcome. I'm surprised anyone would thank me for joining the Army, though. For those of you asking me why I joined, my reasons, in no particular order:

physical discipline
The chance to handle high grade explosives
The pay (both regular pay, and educational coverage)
The travel
The respect and honor (sounds pompous and ego-inflating, but it's true, so I'm putting it in)
The training

and lastly, people that "blow shit up" specifically to kill innocent people should be shot. And I'm willing to do the shooting. So if they send me to the middle east, I'll be happy to go.


No degeneration into political discussion please. Keep this conversation focused on the military, training, Military Occupational Specialties, etc.

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Postby pollywog » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:38 am UTC

Congratulations. You saw something you wanted to do, and did it. Well done.

I myself am thinking of joining the military, but as a Navy Diver. But first I need to get a lot fitter.
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Postby Lucrece » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:43 am UTC

pollywog wrote:Congratulations. You saw something you wanted to do, and did it. Well done.

I myself am thinking of joining the military, but as a Navy Diver. But first I need to get a lot fitter.


Now I can see the reason for such an avatar! ;D
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Postby Enneract » Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:12 am UTC

I had considered the military for a while, even took the ASVAB and earned some ridiculous score - but they won't have me, on account of ADHD, or something :|

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Postby pollywog » Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:14 am UTC

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pollywog wrote:Congratulations. You saw something you wanted to do, and did it. Well done.

I myself am thinking of joining the military, but as a Navy Diver. But first I need to get a lot fitter.


Now I can see the reason for such an avatar! ;D


I can actually turn into a Poliwhirl on a full moon, which means I can get employment as a part time pearl diver, but I'd like to spend a lot more time under the sea, which was a large part of my motivation for deciding to become a diver.
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Postby DougP » Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:50 am UTC

My Uncivilized God wrote:and lastly, people that "blow shit up" specifically to kill innocent people should be shot. And I'm willing to do the shooting. So if they send me to the middle east, I'll be happy to go.


No degeneration into political discussion please. Keep this conversation focused on the military, training, Military Occupational Specialties, etc.

Thank you.


This part concerns me. Militaries all over the world, U.S and otherwise, kill innocent people ALL THE TIME. It is not always on purpose (but its not always be accident, lets be realistic), but if you are concerned about the death of innocent people, I just hope you know what you are getting yourself into. There have been at least as many civilian deaths as the result of wars in the 20th century as their have been military deaths. Thats just a fact of war, always has been, and likely always will be. Its a nasty business, best of luck to you if you end up in a war zone, because quite frankly, you'll need it.

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Postby SecondTalon » Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:05 am UTC

And what was the civilian-soldier kill ratio prior to the 20th century, where for the most part the various nations of the world agreed to various rules that would govern warfare and such? A 1:1 ratio, while not perfect or desirable, is an enormous step in the right direction, historically speaking.

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Re: U.S. Army

Postby My Uncivilized God » Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:13 pm UTC

Yeah, I think we can agree that the last reason I posted was rather ignorant of me. I know that, and I still put it up. Yes, I might end up taking an action that kills innocent people. Yes, there are a lot of factors to be taken into account. Yes, my commanding officers are not all-knowing, and undoubtedly they will make mistakes. The whole issue is muddled.

But I still kind of feel that way. Too many years of playing cops and robbers as a child, I guess. I still want to get the "bad guys". Which is why it's on the list. Deal with it.
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Postby Malice » Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:20 pm UTC

My Uncivilized God wrote:But I still kind of feel that way. Too many years of playing cops and robbers as a child, I guess. I still want to get the "bad guys". Which is why it's on the list. Deal with it.


Are you sure the people you'll be called upon to kill are the "bad guys"? From what I hear, it's not really about 9/11, or freeing Iraq, or fighting terrorists; once you get there it's just a matter of survival.

Unrelatedly: before you go over there there's a book you should read. Here's the Amazon page. It's a compilation of about a hundred short stories, poems, and essays by soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan and their families. It's probably the closest you'll get to knowing what you're heading into, from the mouths of the common soldiers themselves. Just a suggestion.
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Re: U.S. Army

Postby marginally_stable » Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:05 pm UTC

Malice wrote:
My Uncivilized God wrote:But I still kind of feel that way. Too many years of playing cops and robbers as a child, I guess. I still want to get the "bad guys". Which is why it's on the list. Deal with it.


Are you sure the people you'll be called upon to kill are the "bad guys"? From what I hear, it's not really about 9/11, or freeing Iraq, or fighting terrorists; once you get there it's just a matter of survival.


Exactly my point I would say. I mean, this bad guys you talk about, they could be 10-12 year olds with bombs attached to them. And if the world opinion is of any importance, you are going to be the bad guy for most of them. :)

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Re: U.S. Army

Postby Lucrece » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:12 am UTC

marginally_stable wrote:
Malice wrote:
My Uncivilized God wrote:But I still kind of feel that way. Too many years of playing cops and robbers as a child, I guess. I still want to get the "bad guys". Which is why it's on the list. Deal with it.


Are you sure the people you'll be called upon to kill are the "bad guys"? From what I hear, it's not really about 9/11, or freeing Iraq, or fighting terrorists; once you get there it's just a matter of survival.


Exactly my point I would say. I mean, this bad guys you talk about, they could be 10-12 year olds with bombs attached to them. And if the world opinion is of any importance, you are going to be the bad guy for most of them. :)


How about we abstain from inducing any potential guilt into someone who will be seeing the battlefield? I'm sure there are plenty of countries not involved in the war that will be more than happy to make our soldiers feel like crap-- despite the fact that they are mere pawns to the U.S. government, doing their jobs-- by telling them that they're dying just to be reputed as murderers.
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Postby mazzilliu » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:21 am UTC

i'm getting married to a marine after knowing him for years and even before he enlisted. he told me boot camp and the training afterwards was very hard but it was the sort of thing you can't really fail at unless you try. its really life changing and if the army is anything like the marines are, the military will consume your life- it will change your mannerisms and your morals and your politics. just be sure that you can revert back to what you used to be so you can get along in civilian life afterwards(if you choose not to go back in). thats all i can say for sure about it, i am not technically a military wife yet :o

oh, and also be careful about alcohol and tobacco(and caffeine) use. from what i understand since those are the only (recreational) drugs one can use regularly in the military, from what i know so far they tend to go completely overboard on them.
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Re: U.S. Army

Postby marginally_stable » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:49 am UTC

Lucrece wrote:
marginally_stable wrote:
Malice wrote:
My Uncivilized God wrote:But I still kind of feel that way. Too many years of playing cops and robbers as a child, I guess. I still want to get the "bad guys". Which is why it's on the list. Deal with it.


Are you sure the people you'll be called upon to kill are the "bad guys"? From what I hear, it's not really about 9/11, or freeing Iraq, or fighting terrorists; once you get there it's just a matter of survival.


Exactly my point I would say. I mean, this bad guys you talk about, they could be 10-12 year olds with bombs attached to them. And if the world opinion is of any importance, you are going to be the bad guy for most of them. :)


How about we abstain from inducing any potential guilt into someone who will be seeing the battlefield? I'm sure there are plenty of countries not involved in the war that will be more than happy to make our soldiers feel like crap-- despite the fact that they are mere pawns to the U.S. government, doing their jobs-- by telling them that they're dying just to be reputed as murderers.


Well, you said it bro. I don't think being "mere pawn of the govt." headed by a stupid incompetent asshole is anything to be proud of. I understand the apparent pride in serving one's country and all that, but in the current situation, it doesn't make sense to me. Anyhow, whatever floats your boat. Best of luck dude, I hope you don't see war, atleast not the current ones.

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Re: U.S. Army

Postby Lucrece » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:08 am UTC

marginally_stable wrote:
Lucrece wrote:
marginally_stable wrote:
Malice wrote:
My Uncivilized God wrote:But I still kind of feel that way. Too many years of playing cops and robbers as a child, I guess. I still want to get the "bad guys". Which is why it's on the list. Deal with it.


Are you sure the people you'll be called upon to kill are the "bad guys"? From what I hear, it's not really about 9/11, or freeing Iraq, or fighting terrorists; once you get there it's just a matter of survival.


Exactly my point I would say. I mean, this bad guys you talk about, they could be 10-12 year olds with bombs attached to them. And if the world opinion is of any importance, you are going to be the bad guy for most of them. :)


How about we abstain from inducing any potential guilt into someone who will be seeing the battlefield? I'm sure there are plenty of countries not involved in the war that will be more than happy to make our soldiers feel like crap-- despite the fact that they are mere pawns to the U.S. government, doing their jobs-- by telling them that they're dying just to be reputed as murderers.


Well, you said it bro. I don't think being "mere pawn of the govt." headed by a stupid incompetent asshole is anything to be proud of. I understand the apparent pride in serving one's country and all that, but in the current situation, it doesn't make sense to me. Anyhow, whatever floats your boat. Best of luck dude, I hope you don't see war, atleast not the current ones.


Being a willing pawn-- that means foregoing liberty, something pretty valuable to other people-- for the sake of an institution with the history of defending our people is not something I would be ashamed of. Remember, not all functions of the army have to deal with Iraq or such publicly disapproved of wars.

Our soldiers go through many sacrifices other people would never go through. Add to that the fact that the reward is pretty negatively disproportionate to the task performed, and you can't get any less selfless than that. I say we take more our apprehensions with Congress than with the well-intentioned men and women who serve for us.
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Re: U.S. Army

Postby marginally_stable » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:23 am UTC

Lucrece wrote:Being a willing pawn-- that means foregoing liberty, something pretty valuable to other people-- for the sake of an institution with the history of defending our people is not something I would be ashamed of. Remember, not all functions of the army have to deal with Iraq or such publicly disapproved of wars.


True, thats why I said "the current situation doesn't make sense to me", because current=Middle East. More likely than not, most new recruits are going to end up somewhere in the middle east, but thats just my limited understanding of the current situation and I have no sources to back that up.
Our soldiers go through many sacrifices other people would never go through. Add to that the fact that the reward is pretty negatively disproportionate to the task performed, and you can't get any less selfless than that. I say we take more our apprehensions with Congress than with the well-intentioned men and women who serve for us.

I believe you meant more selfless. I for one don't think that selfless work=awesomness, but I can see where you are coming from.
Well all I wanted to say was that OP might be delusional to think of it as a getting the "bad guys" situation. That viewpoint is actually pretty naive, I think.

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Re: U.S. Army

Postby mazzilliu » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:08 am UTC

yeah, iraq isn't the only place military people go to. theres a lot of international patrol and peacekeeping, they have military at every american embassy keeping the people safe there. and there is of course afghanistan which does not raise so much controversy. and a portion of them(marines, at least) are on sea vessels just kept as first responders lest some violence break out in the world somewhere. and theres more stuff i dont even know about.

i dont know if you can request a specific destination in your contract, however. but if you can then your contract is your best bet for having any control over it.
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