djkjr wrote: EdgarJPublius wrote:
djkjr wrote:Ever play a RTS? Starcraft for instance? You play any one map long enough, all those resources will dry up and you'll have nothing left to build with.
Umm... exactly? How is that any different from what you're advocating, or at all similar to what I'm suggesting?
what I'm advocating. Colonization would amount to burning through another set of resources, and then another and then another... And it is exactly what you are suggesting proven by your prior statement here
So your plan is what? Burn through the resources here and then just kind of sit around and crumble? How does that solve anything
EdgarJPublius wrote:And colonizing another planet doesn't perpetuate our own crumbling situation, the moon and near earth asteroids have many resources that we are running out of on Earth, and which could enable a number of more sustainable/environmentally-friendly technologies.
Our future is not locked into the industrial revolution and technological boom that we've had the luxury of experiencing in the very recent past. You have to consider that we existed on this planet thousands of years without facing ANY of the problems we've CREATED in the past dozen generations! How is it at all feasible to believe that the answer to that problem is "let's just go suck another rock dry"?
That's complete nonsense, in fact, I'm gonna call it what it is, regressive primitivism. Sure, we've created some problems in the last hundred years or two, but did you ever stop to think about what life on this miserable rock was like before
we created these problems? here's a hint; it was MISERABLE. People died of diseases we didn't even have names for, hell, we didn't even know what a fucking disease was
more often than not, it might as well have been demonic possession or an excess of blood. Starvation was rampant. You think 'world hunger' is such a terrible problem? try imagining what it must have been like before genetic engineering and mechanized harvesting meant that we could at least feed the greater portion of the population year round.
Sure, we've created some problems in the last little while, but we've solved far more problems, and every day we get closer to solving those problems that we've created int he pursuit of a better world.
You say that our future isn't locked into the industrial revolution and you're right, as long as we stay on this planet, it isn't the industrial revolution that constrains us, it is the limited resources of our home rock. You think that just going and 'sucking another rock dry' isn't the answer, but that's a fundamental misapprehension of what space colonization offers. We aren't talking about moving to the Moon and 'sucking it dry' before moving on to Mars to do the same and so on. We're talking about a whole new frontier, an unimaginable collection of wealth and opportunity that is for all practical purposes (and might very well in fact be) infinite.
Mankind is filling up the planet with waste and people, although there are many competing and often contradictory estimations for the ultimate human population limit of the Earth, there is a single thread binding such discussion together; that humanity is coming dangerously close to the limit. Space offers not just an opportunity to extend that limit, through resources exploitation in the form of asteroid mining and power generation, but break it entirely, by enabling humans to escape the Earth and live in colonies suspended in orbit, or even on other worlds.
Even just the area described by the earth's orbit holds so much of value that our own planet is less than a hovel by comparison. Unimaginable wealth in minerals, energy and living space.
These resources are not only desirable, they are necessary for the continuance of the Human race.
Relate resources to a salary. Now relate the planet to a big beautiful mansion that we've enjoyed living in for a long time. Only now our salary has been cut. You don't think that families answer is going to be "I'm just going to continue begging, borrowing and stealing in order to keep this place." No. That family is going to need to downsize in order to survive because that is the only practical and worthwhile thing to do. Why can't we see that ourselves? Because we're too damned comfortable in that mansion, the way we exist on this planet (our luxurious lifestyle) and we'd rather beg borrow and steal in order to sustain our amenities rather than make the difficult choice to downsize.
Why downsize when there's a job that pays a higher salary than you and your family could ever use in countless generations and comes with countless Mansions that make what you live in now look like a hole in the ground just waiting for your application?
You're the one who wants to beg borrow and steal resources to keep living in a dilapidated hut. You want to cannibalize our own future, thieving the limited resources of our planet to lock ourselves underground because you are afraid of coming out from the damp, dark hole we've been living in, afraid that the sun is too bright, and the wider universe too open.