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How serious should one be?

Postby jules.LT » Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:31 pm UTC

We've all heard that quote "Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out of it alive" and others like it, but you do have to be somewhat serious in order to achieve stuff.
Serious business needs to be discussed, but can easily kill off the mood in many circumstances.

So how serious should one be, SB?
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Re: How serious should one be? [Philosophy?]

Postby podbaydoor » Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:00 pm UTC

I suspect you're going to get a lot of answers to the effect of, "Eh, it depends."

And how would you separate serious actions from serious thoughts from serious dialogue? All three could be at different levels of seriousness simultaneously.
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Re: How serious should one be? [Philosophy?]

Postby Dark567 » Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:13 pm UTC

(Assuming the Philosophy tag)
On a scale of zero to <insert positive non-zero number here>: zero.

Thats not really to say you shouldn't act seriously or engage in serious debate. But its important to consider that one day everyone and everything will be dead. In the most likely probability, the universe one day will have run out of entropy and undergo heat death, and anything you have done, said or thought about, whether seriously or not, will not have mattered.
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Re: How serious should one be? [Philosophy?]

Postby infernovia » Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:17 pm UTC

It depends on what you mean by serious. If you mean: "Demanding careful consideration or application" then as much as you can. If you mean "solemn," that is acting serious, then don't bother. Wit will get you much further.

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Re: How serious should one be? [Philosophy?]

Postby podbaydoor » Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:31 pm UTC

Except when acting solemn is in the service of being witty. *solemnly* It's all in the delivery, young ones.
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Re: How serious should one be? [Philosophy?]

Postby jules.LT » Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:31 pm UTC

Dark567 wrote:(Assuming the Philosophy tag)
On a scale of zero to <insert positive non-zero number here>: zero.

Thats not really to say you shouldn't act seriously or engage in serious debate. But its important to consider that one day everyone and everything will be dead. In the most likely probability, the universe one day will have run out of entropy and undergo heat death, and anything you have done, said or thought about, whether seriously or not, will not have mattered.

It won't matter anymore, since there won't be anyone left to care about it, but if it ever mattered it still did.
In the meantime, some stuff is important to people, and I think there is legitimity to that.
Upholding principles, trying to understand the world... that won't have any meaning left eventually, but now it does, doesn't it?
I'm pretty sure that there's another angle than nihilism or even relativism to this.
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Re: How serious should one be?

Postby Azrael » Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:42 pm UTC

Not seeing [Philosophy] here. So instead of locking, I've de-tagged it.

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Re: How serious should one be? [Philosophy?]

Postby fr00t » Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:02 pm UTC

To answer the original question: a lot less seriously than most people are. I don't think being successful and being serious entail one another, so ideally you would be carefree and awesome.

Dark567 wrote:(Assuming the Philosophy tag)
Thats not really to say you shouldn't act seriously or engage in serious debate. But its important to consider that one day everyone and everything will be dead. In the most likely probability, the universe one day will have run out of entropy and undergo heat death, and anything you have done, said or thought about, whether seriously or not, will not have mattered.

jules.lt wrote:It won't matter anymore, since there won't be anyone left to care about it, but if it ever mattered it still did.
In the meantime, some stuff is important to people, and I think there is legitimity to that.
Upholding principles, trying to understand the world... that won't have any meaning left eventually, but now it does, doesn't it?
I'm pretty sure that there's another angle than nihilism or even relativism to this.


When I was 15 and the concept of nihilism was new this bothered me a lot. It's hard to come to grips with the fact that there is no meaning and nothing will matter in the end. Anyways, you must also realize that in that sense your being serious and having cared also won't have mattered. So the answer is really just whatever you want it to be. Still, sometimes when I'm feeling bad, I take solace in the fact that after every thing is said and done, it won't matter. Of course it's hard to keep that out of my head when I actually want to be motivated.

Also, in an epistemic sense, you always will have done what you did.

Determinism, meaninglessness, and the inevitable heat death of the universe are not excuses to live poorly. Unless you want and allow them to be.

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Re: How serious should one be?

Postby Qaanol » Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:38 pm UTC

jules.lt wrote:So how serious should one be, SB?

4. Definitely 4.
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Re: How serious should one be?

Postby Gelsamel » Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:31 am UTC

Serious abuot what though? Everything?

About your life? About your life you should be infinitely serious. That isn't to say you shouldn't relax, joke around, or enjoy comedy. Just that you shouldn't not be serious about your single life. Unless you're serious about not being serious that is, like I am.
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Re: How serious should one be?

Postby biodomino » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:55 am UTC

In your demeanor, be only as serious as is socially insisted, and otherwise only as serious as you desire. In your contemplation, be as serious as you want your thoughts and your mind to have value.

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Re: How serious should one be?

Postby brume » Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:22 am UTC

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity." - Horace Mann

That's kinda serious, innit?

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Re: How serious should one be?

Postby sourmìlk » Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:10 am UTC

As serious as is necessary to accomplish your goals, but not so serious that it affects your emotional health. Obviously this varies from person to person and goal to goal.
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Re: How serious should one be?

Postby H2SO4 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:49 am UTC

I would say that no one should take one's own life too seriously. Take certain aspects of it seriously (career decision, whether or not to get married, who to marry, how many kids to have, etc.), but you shouldn't place limitations on yourself of risks. I see this phrase as more of "Why not take risks?" sort of motivational thing, not a "Don't have a care in the world" sort of phrase.
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Re: How serious should one be?

Postby sourmìlk » Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:56 am UTC

H2SO4 wrote:I see this phrase as more of "Why not take risks?" sort of motivational thing, not a "Don't have a care in the world" sort of phrase.

What's the difference?
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Re: How serious should one be?

Postby jules.LT » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:38 am UTC

"Why not take risks?" tells you to ask yourself the question again, and "don't have a care in the world" is a systematic answer?
biodomino wrote:In your demeanor, be only as serious as is socially insisted, and otherwise only as serious as you desire. In your contemplation, be as serious as you want your thoughts and your mind to have value.

I like that one :)
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Re: How serious should one be?

Postby Giant Speck » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:26 pm UTC

As serious as business, of course.
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Re: How serious should one be?

Postby sourmìlk » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:57 pm UTC

jules.lt wrote:"Why not take risks?" tells you to ask yourself the question again, and "don't have a care in the world" is a systematic answer?


Oh, I thought "why not take risks?" in this case was being asked rhetorically as a meager justification for stupid behaviour. That's how I usually see it used :/
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Re: How serious should one be?

Postby H2SO4 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:36 pm UTC

sourmìlk wrote:Oh, I thought "why not take risks?" in this case was being asked rhetorically as a meager justification for stupid behaviour. That's how I usually see it used :/

I usually see it used as more of a motivational thing to get over your fears and do things like skydive.
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Re: How serious should one be?

Postby aldonius » Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:23 am UTC

Sure, the universe will hit heat death eventually, but that's so far of, our actions still have a long time to have an effect over. So don't let the nihilists get you, onwards and upwards!

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Re: How serious should one be?

Postby MiB24601 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:44 pm UTC

As serious as the situation calls for and no more or less. Of course, since everyone will have a different view on the level of seriousness a situation will call for, that's not the most helpful suggestion.

But broadly speaking, don't be serious at a celebration and don't be silly during an emergency. Everything else, use your best judgment.
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Re: How serious should one be?

Postby H2SO4 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:13 pm UTC

MiB24601 wrote:But broadly speaking, don't be serious at a celebration and don't be silly during an emergency.

Hm... I would say that depending on the urgency the particular emergency and how useful you can be during the emergency, a little humor to diffuse a tense situation can be much appreciated.
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Re: How serious should one be?

Postby Zanmanoodle » Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:16 am UTC

Surely you can't be...

"Nihilists! F**k me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."

Also, it's about as personal a choice as you can make. For me, I'm dead serious about my personal well-being and the well-being of those I care about. The rest varies.


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