sociotard wrote:By population, the police are an order of magnitude more likely to be killed by the people than the people are to be killed by police.
My implication was that police in the US were more likely to shoot first because they were more afraid of being shot, and that maybe we should look at the systemic causes of violence instead of treating police like bad actors.
Wow, liberals really don't have any mercy for the police. I thought it was just a conservative smear.
Just because someone feels fear does not mean that this fear is rational, and ought to be given credence.
I don't really care if a policeman claims to feel afraid, when it should be obvious that the individual he is shooting is unarmed and no real threat. If the fear ain't justified, he ought not be shooting. Color of skin isn't a reason. Disrespect isn't a reason.
I'm not at all liberal, so I don't think you can reasonably dismiss my viewpoint as mere partisanship.
I'm not contesting that there may be some police shootings that are justified. Merely that there are a fairly consistent number that are not. Even if one assumes that the only dodgy ones are the ones listed in articles posted here, there's a pretty steady supply of them. Reasonably, I suspect that we're likely missing a number of cases. Police generally have several advantages when describing a situation, so a lot of these videos rely on someone happening to catch them on video. That obviously doesn't happen in every case. So, there are probably further bad shoots that simply never come to light because the only non-cop witness is dead.
LaserGuy wrote:Sure looks to me like gun control laws + lower gun ownership solves both problems.
I mean, if you believe that Texas doesn't have many guns, but Hawaii does, then sure.
2) I am not aware of other jobs that are more likely to kill by violence. This Vox article
marks it as having the highest murder rate, but it suspiciously doesn't include sex workers. If you have data showing which jobs are more likely to face on-the-job violence, I'd love to see it.
Any profession that involves "talking to the police" appears to be pretty rough. A big problem with the numbers is that, generally, killings by police are not counted as part of the murder rate.
Also, the military exists, and deals with violence and death. And yet, somehow military folks usually don't engage in the same patterns of behavior police do. Sure, war crimes are a thing, but they are far less frequently a thing, as compared to the violence faced.
Also, retail workers are killed in violent incidents that nearly equal police officer deaths. If one counts robberies and the accompanying threats of violence, as well as injuries lesser than death, it appears that retail workers also experience a lot of violence, yet very few retail workers kill customers. If one counts cashiers and other retail workers together, they definitely beat out police officers by a huge margin. Per capita, it might not be as high, but the risk is not distributed evenly. Folks who work at convenience stores, late at night, or who handle money are wildly disproportionately likely to experience violence. And yet, those people do not exhibit the lethal behavior of police.
sociotard wrote:3) I absolutely do not accept the argument that police fatalities are okay because they signed up for it. On a smaller scope, people who get customer service sign up knowing they'll get berated and sworn at, but that doesn't mean they have to accept it. It is still wrong. So it is with police. They want to live. They want their friends to live. They shouldn't be expected to be cannon fodder.
As compared to the people killed by police, who largely did not sign up for that, I sympathize less with the police. Of course, police do not deserve to be murdered, and nobody wants that, but if one party in a situation has all the choice, and the other has none, then yeah, the person choosing bears the responsibility for the outcome.
And reasonably speaking, when one selects a job, they ought to accept involved risks. You sign up for the military, you acknowledge that there's some risk you might end up deployed