The Darker Side of the News

[Weeks]

I was just pointing out that some people will still believe animals are being 'abused' for 'fun'.

The quotes should really go around "animals" more than any other word. I didn't get the connection because I don't know of anyone, including PETA-types, who thinks growing muscle tissue in a jar involves any kind of animal in the first place.

They do have to get the original cells from somewhere

[elasto]

The quotes should really go around "animals" more than any other word. I didn't get the connection because I don't know of anyone, including PETA-types, who thinks growing muscle tissue in a jar involves any kind of animal in the first place.

Ah.

Remember that multiple types of animal abuse were mentioned in this thread - from a pet serial killer to farming.

When someone said 'none of this will be a problem when...' I was pointing out how problems will still remain.

While you are hopefully correct that PETA won't have an issue with vat-grown meat, maybe it'll be seen as immoral the same way some people view fictional violence as immoral: Because it will lead people to want 'the real thing' or some such...

[morriswalters]

While you are hopefully correct that PETA won't have an issue with vat-grown meat, maybe it'll be seen as immoral the same way some people view fictional violence as immoral: Because it will lead people to want 'the real thing' or some such...

They'll call it a gateway protein, certain to lead you to to harder proteins like Real Beef or, gasp, Blue Fin Tuna!

[gmalivuk]

While you are hopefully correct that PETA won't have an issue with vat-grown meat, maybe it'll be seen as immoral the same way some people view fictional violence as immoral: Because it will lead people to want 'the real thing' or some such...

Maybe some will see it that way, but PETA is explicitly in favor of vat-grown meat.

[Tyndmyr]

While you are hopefully correct that PETA won't have an issue with vat-grown meat, maybe it'll be seen as immoral the same way some people view fictional violence as immoral: Because it will lead people to want 'the real thing' or some such...

What, human flesh?

I mean, there's nothing unethical about it, now that you're not harvesting wild-grown humans for your lunch. No different than any other vat-meat.

[morriswalters]

What, human flesh?

Ugh!

Who'da thunk it?

I’m just going to come out and say this: PETA is offering 1 million dollars (say it in your best Dr. Evil voice) to the first team of scientists that can develop a method to produce commercially viable quantities of in vitro (lab-grown) chicken meat.

[Tyndmyr]

Why, what's more unethical about growing human?

That said, the stipulations for this challenge appear nigh-impossible. If you can make something market competitive with chicken, in quantities enough to supply ten states, then 1 million dollars is chump change. Also, the link to the contest page is broken, it redirects to the home page. It doesn't seem like they *really* want to give that money out. Also, the comments are a delightful dumpster fire.

[cphite]

Sure, I'm well aware that people will oppose vat-grown meat for other reasons. My question, which no one has responded to yet, is why opposition to pet ownership is related to vat-grown meat in any way.

Wow. It was just a throwaway line in response to another throwaway line.

But you said it on the internet...

The conversation was about how people 'abuse' animals 'for fun'. When someone said 'none of this will be a problem when we have vat-grown meat' I was just pointing out that some people will still believe animals are being 'abused' for 'fun'. That's all.

It really is shocking how you so blithely disregard the rights and the feelings of animals just because they're grown in vats, as if they were lesser than the animals who do not. You're a vatist! Or, a non-vatist? A spacist? Look, I don't know what the word is, but it almost certainly ends in "ist" and that's you, buddy!

[Zohar]

If you can make something market competitive with chicken, in quantities enough to supply ten states, then 1 million dollars is chump change.

They might mean "find a viable method of doing this" not "actually do this". The rest of your points are still valid, and of course we'd need to actually see the contest page to find out...

[morriswalters]

And now for the rest of the story. Contest details at the bottom.

They might mean "find a viable method of doing this" not "actually do this". The rest of your points are still valid, and of course we'd need to actually see the contest page to find out...

Manufacture the approved product in large enough quantities to be sold commercially and successfully sell it at a competitive price in at least 10 states.

There you go. Oh, and the contest started in 08 and ended in 2014. I consider myself as having been gulled. My apologies for the first link.

[Dauric]

Why, what's more unethical about growing human?

For consumption? Inducing prion diseases in your customers for one.

[gmalivuk]

Why, what's more unethical about growing human?

For consumption? Inducing prion diseases in your customers for one.

Why would anyone include prion diseases in their lab-grown human flesh, though?

[Liri]

Why, what's more unethical about growing human?

For consumption? Inducing prion diseases in your customers for one.

Why would anyone include prion diseases in their lab-grown human flesh, though?

So the people eating it would be punished for how unethical they're being.

[Weeks]

There's no way out gmal, sooner or later PETA will get you

[morriswalters]

There's no way out gmal, sooner or later PETA will get you

Hmmmm.

Why would anyone include prion diseases in their lab-grown human flesh, though?

For the lulz? Because they can?

[sardia]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/peteraldhous/s ... .hd06rw3d3
The government has vast fleets of noise-stealthed airplanes that circle the skies with reality augmented high resolution cameras. It flies weekdays only, suggesting routine surveillance.
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[Zamfir]

The black planes are OK, it's the helicopters you should worry about.

[morriswalters]

This was reported on this summer in relation to the riots in Baltimore.

[sardia]

This was reported on this summer in relation to the riots in Baltimore.

Correct, it's part of the best of 2016 lists that were coming out. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dam ... 1-stories/
The planes story is a favorite because it combines the best of data journalism, with old fashion gumshoe reporting.

[Mambrino]

You thought the Free World won the Cold War? Turns out, you were mistaken. It's only the somewhat less autocratic one.

[Mambrino]

Turkey government suspects foreign intelligence services behind the recent terror attack.

[Mambrino]

Sorry for double(triple) post, but this is totally different news so I suppose it's better to make a new post than edit the old...

BBC: Facebook Live attack: Four held in Chicago

Four people have been arrested in the US city of Chicago over a video live-streamed on Facebook, in which a bound and gagged man was assaulted.

The man being assaulted has special needs, police say. His assailants can be heard making derogatory statements against white people and President-elect Donald Trump.

In one part of the video they use a knife to remove part of his scalp.

[sardia]

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/04/scien ... es-us.html

Scientists say a long-term pattern of climate variability called the Atlantic meridional mode helps determine the level of hurricane activity. In one phase, the mode results in warmer surface water in the tropical Atlantic and less wind shear, or changes in wind speed with altitude. Both circumstances favor the formation of hurricanes.

But at the same time, conditions near the coastal United States are the opposite: colder water, which provides less energy to a hurricane, and more wind shear, which tends to rip a storm apart. So although more hurricanes may form in the open ocean, as they approach land they are more likely to weaken. This protective barrier, as Dr. Kossin called it, does not exist in the Caribbean.

Global warming creates more hurricanes, and also creates a hurricane disrupting barrier along the US. Good thing nothing of importance is outside the US hurricane shield, amirite?*

*This barrier may weaken as global warming progresses, and it doesn't always protect the US.

[Thesh]

and it doesn't always protect the US.

[citation needed]

I've been in the US my entire life, and have never seen a single hurricane.

[morriswalters]

You just haven't looked hard enough.

[CorruptUser]

and it doesn't always protect the US.

[citation needed]

I've been in the US my entire life, and have never seen a single hurricane.

So umm, serious or joking?

[eran_rathan]

and it doesn't always protect the US.

[citation needed]

I've been in the US my entire life, and have never seen a single hurricane.

So umm, serious or joking?

Thesh is in Colorado. They don't get many hurricanes in Denver.

[Thesh]

I just moved here this year. I was about 20 minutes from the ocean before (well, an ocean, the Pacific to be exact).

[CorruptUser]

Wait, I thought you were from the Netherlands, Thesh? Or was that Diadem?

[Thesh]

Definitely not me.

[Mutex]

Wait, I thought you were from the Netherlands, Thesh? Or was that Diadem?

Diadem is from the Netherlands, yes.

[Liri]

I've lived in Florida and North Carolina my whole life. I've seen a few.

Regarding the article though, that's unfortunate. Though it'll aid in my summer vacation pastime of walking along the beach looking at unwise houses falling into the ocean.

[sardia]

I've lived in Florida and North Carolina my whole life. I've seen a few.

Regarding the article though, that's unfortunate. Though it'll aid in my summer vacation pastime of walking along the beach looking at unwise houses falling into the ocean.

It seems more unfortunate for the rest of the Caribbean, since they are the least able to cope with hurricanes, and are the least emitters of carbon as well. It's another avenue that the western world can ignore global warming until it's too late.

[Liri]

I've lived in Florida and North Carolina my whole life. I've seen a few.

Regarding the article though, that's unfortunate. Though it'll aid in my summer vacation pastime of walking along the beach looking at unwise houses falling into the ocean.

It seems more unfortunate for the rest of the Caribbean, since they are the least able to cope with hurricanes, and are the least emitters of carbon as well. It's another avenue that the western world can ignore global warming until it's too late.

Weren't you saying they already lack that protective barrier of cold water? I didn't mean to diminish what Caribbean nations suffer by any means, I know they are generally far more destructive there.

[Angua]

It depends on which Caribbean islands it hits. Thankfully most hurricanes generally seem to hit a few at a time so the rest of us can club together to send aid.

Haiti seems to have the worst time of hurricanes as they have the worst infrastructure to start with.

Nevis has been pretty lucky since Hugo. It's mainly the hotels that have a problem (tourists want to be on the beach), as people who live there don't tend to live near enough the sea for storm surge to cause a problem, and the buildings that still may get splashed on the waterfront are all shops with good concrete walls. The wall takes care of most of it these days. Flash flooding can occasionally be a problem, but tends to be in predictable places. Of course, countries with rivers (like Dominica) or that are a lot flatter and at sea level (like Anguilla) can have a much worse time of it.

[sardia]

I've lived in Florida and North Carolina my whole life. I've seen a few.

Regarding the article though, that's unfortunate. Though it'll aid in my summer vacation pastime of walking along the beach looking at unwise houses falling into the ocean.

It seems more unfortunate for the rest of the Caribbean, since they are the least able to cope with hurricanes, and are the least emitters of carbon as well. It's another avenue that the western world can ignore global warming until it's too late.

Weren't you saying they already lack that protective barrier of cold water? I didn't mean to diminish what Caribbean nations suffer by any means, I know they are generally far more destructive there.

The article leaves it ambiguous, mostly because the scientists themselves aren't sure. The barrier might even get stronger.

[thunk]

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I've lived in Florida and North Carolina my whole life. I've seen a few.

Regarding the article though, that's unfortunate. Though it'll aid in my summer vacation pastime of walking along the beach looking at unwise houses falling into the ocean.

It seems more unfortunate for the rest of the Caribbean, since they are the least able to cope with hurricanes, and are the least emitters of carbon as well. It's another avenue that the western world can ignore global warming until it's too late.

Weren't you saying they already lack that protective barrier of cold water? I didn't mean to diminish what Caribbean nations suffer by any means, I know they are generally far more destructive there.

The article leaves it ambiguous, mostly because the scientists themselves aren't sure. The barrier might even get stronger.

I'm not actually sure it's getting that much worse for the Caribbean. The evidence on what effects AGW actually has on hurricanes is confusing and mixed, and but seems to vaguely fall into fewer-but-stronger territory.

It seems however that in recent years there's been fewer hurricanes forming in the Main Development Region east of the Lesser Antilles due to a higher prevalence of wind shear, and that hurricane activity seems to be starting really north of 20 N. This would shift burden to the Greater Antilles (sorry Haiti) and the US, but leave much of the Caribbean better-off.

I think I also saw a study that said similar things for the Eastern Pacific--hurricanes striking Hawai'i would get more common, but the Mexican coast would be much less frequently impacted.

[Diadem]

Wait, I thought you were from the Netherlands, Thesh? Or was that Diadem?

Our names are not that similar, are they?

[Thesh]

It's not the names that are similar, it's the avatars.

[Liri]

It's not the names that are similar, it's the avatars.

I thought for the longest time (circa a couple months) that you were actually a spooky girl.

Edit: isn't it weird reading "circa a"? Like why doesn't english allow for "circan a" for instance?

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