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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Vahir » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:07 am UTC

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Postby Sableagle » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:25 pm UTC

Thesh wrote:I've been in the US my entire life, and have never seen a single hurricane.


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Postby pseudoidiot » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:48 pm UTC

Thesh wrote:I've been in the US my entire life, and have never seen a single hurricane.
But have you been rocked like one?
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Thesh wrote:I've been in the US my entire life, and have never seen a single hurricane.


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Postby Sheikh al-Majaneen » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:41 pm UTC

Thesh wrote:I've been in the US my entire life, and have never seen a single hurricane.


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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CelticNot » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:24 pm UTC

Link wrote:Gang rape livestreamed on Facebook


I'm beginning to understand how people turn conservative as they age; the longer they live, the more of this kind of appalling bullshit they see, and the more they feel there needs to be a means of keeping it from happening again. At any cost.

But there isn't. And I'm not sure which realisation is more sobering.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:58 am UTC

CelticNot wrote:
Link wrote:Gang rape livestreamed on Facebook


I'm beginning to understand how people turn conservative as they age; the longer they live, the more of this kind of appalling bullshit they see, and the more they feel there needs to be a means of keeping it from happening again. At any cost.

But there isn't. And I'm not sure which realisation is more sobering.


That and the realization that the world comes full circle in so many ways.

Living through the 90's, you watched the leaders of the black community demand more policing and the Clintons vowing to tackle the "superpredators"... only to live through the 2010's and see the next generation of black leaders demanding the opposite.

You watched as people broke out of the mould of the 1950's with the beatniks, the rise of the counterculture and "alternative" lifestyles, only to watch the Manson Family whereupon you learned that "alternative lifestyle" is only another word for "antisocial nutjobs". Then you got to watch the conformity of the 1980's, only to circle back again to the hipster nonsense.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:43 am UTC

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hi ... nequality/
The premise is that those who don't benefit from income inequality *will lash out at minorities because of the fear of who is getting ahead.

*Uneducated whites.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zamfir » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:54 am UTC

Living through the 90's, you watched the leaders of the black community demand more policing and the Clintons vowing to tackle the "superpredators"... only to live through the 2010's and see the next generation of black leaders demanding the opposite.

How is this in any way a change? It's perfectly reasonable to expect that the police does a good job of policing your neighbourhood, and that they don't use excessive violence while doing that.

In fact, I bet that you expect the same from the police.

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Postby Sableagle » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:58 am UTC

sardia wrote:... those who don't benefit from income inequality ...


One income inequality bubble chart for the curious, and another in which a large blob high up is not a good place to be poor.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:03 pm UTC

Zamfir wrote:
Living through the 90's, you watched the leaders of the black community demand more policing and the Clintons vowing to tackle the "superpredators"... only to live through the 2010's and see the next generation of black leaders demanding the opposite.

How is this in any way a change? It's perfectly reasonable to expect that the police does a good job of policing your neighbourhood, and that they don't use excessive violence while doing that.

In fact, I bet that you expect the same from the police.

Yeah, what Zamfir said. It's ridiculous to say the causes are opposed - people (black or not) want to be safe, and perhaps in the 90s the threat was more from the general populace, and in the 2010s the threat was from the police. That doesn't change the cause.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Mutex » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:00 pm UTC

Have black leaders actually asked for less policing? Rather than better behaviour from police officers?

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:08 pm UTC

If you listen to people in more anarchist circles they may talk about not needing a police force at all, but I don't know how much that correlates specifically with police violence against black people.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Thesh » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:21 pm UTC

Many people want less law enforcement, but more policing. That is, they don't want the police going around trying to find things to fine people for so they can collect revenue, they want them focusing on real crimes.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Tyndmyr » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:36 pm UTC

CelticNot wrote:
Link wrote:Gang rape livestreamed on Facebook


I'm beginning to understand how people turn conservative as they age; the longer they live, the more of this kind of appalling bullshit they see, and the more they feel there needs to be a means of keeping it from happening again. At any cost.

But there isn't. And I'm not sure which realisation is more sobering.


I mean, we *can* affect crime rates. Maybe we can't solve it all, but we certainly can affect a significant number of them.

I do agree that wanting safety and fearing police overreaches are not opposed. I dislike risk of violence and death no matter how crisp and official looking the uniform they wear is. Ultimately, dead is dead, no matter who pulls the trigger.

The aging trend is interesting, though. While I'm more centrist, it's interesting to consider that the greater the experience people have, the more they cluster around that viewpoint. In any other field but politics, that would be considered fairly strong support for that viewpoint. Not saying that's always right, just something to think about.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:47 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:
Zamfir wrote:
Living through the 90's, you watched the leaders of the black community demand more policing and the Clintons vowing to tackle the "superpredators"... only to live through the 2010's and see the next generation of black leaders demanding the opposite.

How is this in any way a change? It's perfectly reasonable to expect that the police does a good job of policing your neighbourhood, and that they don't use excessive violence while doing that.

In fact, I bet that you expect the same from the police.

Yeah, what Zamfir said. It's ridiculous to say the causes are opposed - people (black or not) want to be safe, and perhaps in the 90s the threat was more from the general populace, and in the 2010s the threat was from the police. That doesn't change the cause.


I wasn't commenting on what the solution should be or even denying the problems, just commenting on how the world goes in circles.

If instead of developing a police force that can protect the public without massively harming it, the police will throw up their hands and abandon minority communities one way or the other, and then in a couple of decades the threat will once again be from the general populace, only for a couple of decades later for draconian measures to kick in and then we are back to police brutality being the bigger threat.

We could break this particular circle by investing massive resources into the welfare and educational systems, which would enormously ease the burden on the police force and justice system, which would then allow those two to build trust within the communities and effectively combat crime without harming too many innocent people. Kind of like what the Nordic system does. But e pluribus unum apparently means "half-ass it", so we end up in these circles...

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:31 pm UTC

CelticNot wrote:I'm beginning to understand how people turn conservative as they age; the longer they live, the more of this kind of appalling bullshit they see, and the more they feel there needs to be a means of keeping it from happening again. At any cost.

But there isn't. And I'm not sure which realisation is more sobering.
Grim alternative explanation: the ones who've lived long enough to "turn conservative as they age" have got homes and steady jobs and suchlike things and want to keep them safe from the poor. Sympathy for the plight of the poverty-trapped is richer among the not-yet-employed-therefore-almost-unemployable who see the danger of joining them than among the long-term-employed who want to keep all that money to buy more stuff for their kids.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CelticNot » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:48 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:Grim alternative explanation: the ones who've lived long enough to "turn conservative as they age" have got homes and steady jobs and suchlike things and want to keep them safe from the poor. Sympathy for the plight of the poverty-trapped is richer among the not-yet-employed-therefore-almost-unemployable who see the danger of joining them than among the long-term-employed who want to keep all that money to buy more stuff for their kids.


Isn't that a little disingenuous? I'm not assuming that people doing those despicable things (what I'd originally commented on) are poor. In fact, the attitudes suggest a different crowd to my mind, but I didn't have the interest in looking deeper into the article to find out what demographic the perpetrators were actually in.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:54 pm UTC

I think a lot of people who are idealistically liberal when they're young do stray to the center a bit more as they get older. I would guess it has to do with dreaming a bit less and seeing the challenges a bit more. That's not a good or bad thing - both realists and idealists are needed.

But, I don't think it turns many democrat voters to republicans or vice versa.
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Postby addams » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:26 pm UTC

sardia wrote:https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/higher-rates-of-hate-crimes-are-tied-to-income-inequality/
The premise is that those who don't benefit from income inequality *will lash out at minorities because of the fear of who is getting ahead.

*Uneducated whites.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:03 pm UTC

WHAT THE FUCK
Woman goes to doctor for blood tests, "Lesbianism" appears under her list of problems!
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Liri » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:05 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:WHAT THE FUCK
Woman goes to doctor for blood tests, "Lesbianism" appears under her list of problems!

I have a cousin-in-law from Indian Trail. Let's say it's not the most modern place.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

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Zohar wrote:WHAT THE FUCK
Woman goes to doctor for blood tests, "Lesbianism" appears under her list of problems!

It was listed as a medical problem to.... protect her from being offended?

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby speising » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:10 pm UTC

Liri wrote:
Zohar wrote:WHAT THE FUCK
Woman goes to doctor for blood tests, "Lesbianism" appears under her list of problems!

I have a cousin-in-law from Indian Trail. Let's say it's not the most modern place.

Yeah, it's 15 miles east of someone named Charlotte, as the article helpfully informs us.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Thesh » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:13 pm UTC

speising wrote:
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Zohar wrote:WHAT THE FUCK
Woman goes to doctor for blood tests, "Lesbianism" appears under her list of problems!

I have a cousin-in-law from Indian Trail. Let's say it's not the most modern place.

Yeah, it's 15 miles east of someone named Charlotte, as the article helpfully informs us.

Can't tell if joking.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:13 pm UTC

Liri wrote:I have a cousin-in-law from Indian Trail. Let's say it's not the most modern place.

I wouldn't be surprised but, like... how? Why? Why even bother?? Ugh... Good on her for living in such a place, and hopefully open up some minds of some people.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Liri » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:16 pm UTC

Thesh wrote:
speising wrote:
Liri wrote:
Zohar wrote:WHAT THE FUCK
Woman goes to doctor for blood tests, "Lesbianism" appears under her list of problems!

I have a cousin-in-law from Indian Trail. Let's say it's not the most modern place.

Yeah, it's 15 miles east of someone named Charlotte, as the article helpfully informs us.

Can't tell if joking.

Pretty sure joking. I got a good chuckle.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Thesh » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:19 pm UTC

Yeah, that's what I first thought, but the "as the article helpfully informs us" part had me confused.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby speising » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:38 pm UTC

I just found it funny that the article ends with that, as if every reader would know where Charlotte is located. (I just assume it's a somewhat bigger place)

Edit: ok, yes it is. Google told me.
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Postby Sizik » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:40 pm UTC

speising wrote:I just found it funny that the article ends with that, as if every reader would know where Charlotte is located. (I just assume it's a somewhat bigger place)

It is the largest city in the state.
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Postby Thesh » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:53 pm UTC

speising wrote:I just found it funny that the article ends with that, as if every reader would know where Charlotte is located. (I just assume it's a somewhat bigger place)

Edit: ok, yes it is. Google told me.

It's a local news site.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Chen » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:54 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:It was listed as a medical problem to.... protect her from being offended?


Yeah I'm surprised more people aren't focusing on this. What the hell does that even mean? I love how the article doesn't try to elaborate but just changes to another point after mentioning that.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby morriswalters » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:36 pm UTC

She's may not want to share any more than she has.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:42 pm UTC

morriswalters wrote:She's may not want to share any more than she has.

I'm not sure what you mean. I don't see how this is relevant to blood work, so why was it mentioned at all? Doctors have talked with me about my sexual practices, but those haven't been recorded, just risk factors. And most lesbians are at a much lower risk for STIs than other people.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Thesh » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:43 pm UTC

Maybe the doctor's a bigot?
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