Qaanol wrote:elasto wrote:Ormurinn wrote:Spoiler:There's no real correlation between gun ownership and gun crime - hell in the U.K the correlation is negative - post Dunlane our gun crime has rocketed even as we've become one of the most disarmed polities on the planet.Spoiler:That is disputable:Wikipedia wrote:A Home Office study published in 2007 reported that gun crime in England and Wales remained a relatively rare event. Firearms (including air guns) were used in 21,521 recorded crimes. It said that injury caused during a firearm offence was rare, with fewer than 3% of offences resulting in a serious or fatal injury.
For 2011/12, police in England and Wales recorded 541 offences as homicide, of which 42 (8%) involved the use of firearms — a rate of 0.1 illegal gun deaths per 100,000 of population. The number of homicides per year committed with firearms in England and Wales remained between 39 and 81 in the ten years to 2011/12, with an average of 56 per year. During the same time period, there were three fatal shootings of police officers in England and Wales, and 154 non-fatal shootings, an average of 15.4 per year.
Since 1998, the number of people injured by firearms in England and Wales increased by 110% from 2,378 in 1998/99 to 5,001 in 2005/06. Most of the rise in injuries were in the category slight injuries from the non-air weapons. "Slight" in this context means an injury that was not classified as "serious" (i.e., did not require detention in hospital, did not involve fractures, concussion, severe general shock, penetration by a bullet or multiple shot wounds).
In 2005/06, 87% of such injuries were defined as "slight," which includes the use of firearms as a threat only.
By 2011/12 the total number of injuries had fallen to 1,668 of which 1,434 (86%) were "slight."
So crime rates involving guns did briefly rise but then fell back again - and importantly the brief rise in crimes did not go hand in hand with a corresponding rise in serious injuries - and homicides were about 3x higher and gun deaths about 40x higher per head of population in the US vs the UK
I have not looked into the sources and methods here, but my understanding is that the UK is notorious for not classifying a death as murder until there has been a conviction. I don’t know if that also applies to homicides and/or gun deaths, but the result is that UK murder rates always look like they have been declining for the last few years, because recent killings have not yet been adjudicated.
In any case, Ormurinn is using the wrong metric to begin with. The important question is whether there is a relationship between gun ownership and crime—not gun crime, but overall crime. I won’t go into detail here because there’s another thread for that discussion, but the fact remains: it doesn’t matter to a dead person what weapon (if any) was used to kill them, nor to a shopkeeper who was robbed whether the thief had a firearm.
I know it is Nitpicky, but...
It, kind'a, does matter what weapon was used.
That is why, The Gun. (right?)
Bludgeoning a person to death is not good for anyone.
Unless the killer is really pissed off,
it is a slowish way to die and (fuck) you know.
If you are bound and determined to Kill, Kill, Kill....
Why is everyone so bound and determined to Kill?
ech. I know I have not heard it all.
I have heard a bunch. Not TV.
On with your conversation.
I can help with the list of Why not to have a Gun.
My choice was, only recently, to prevent me from using it.
I Know! I, just, admitted on the internet, "Guns are Tempting."