ObsessoMom wrote:But the real goal in THIS conflict is not for Us to defeat Them. It is for Us to win people's minds and hearts, through empathy, so that they become Us.
Says who? I want equality now, and I want bigots to live the rest of their lives quietly, keeping their bigotry to themselves. I don't want bigots to become all loving and accepting of things, I want them to keep their bigotry quiet. I'm not interested in convincing homophobes that gay people are people too, and that son you beat and kicked out of the house is a really good person, I want them to keep their mouths shut and their 'morals' out of politics.
ObsessoMom wrote:The opponents of gay rights have always treated it as an Us vs. Them battle, and that's why they're losing.
I'd like to think they're losing because the world is moving on. There are still racists in the world today, but the civil rights movement didn't neccesarily succeed because racists saw the light of day; it succeeded because minorities fought a good fight and reason and decency prevailed OVER bigotry.
ObsessoMom wrote:The proponents of gay rights have hitherto been very successful because they have NOT treated it as an Us vs. Them battle. They have emphasized what gay couples have in common with the rest of society, and how it is to society's benefit to be inclusive.
Maybe. I think they've succeeded because they've continued fighting their cause, and not been silent, and because people like us who feel very strongly about equality have also fought and not been silent.
ObsessoMom wrote:The reason the Eich situation is so troubling is that it abandons the very successful "look at all we have in common" tactic, and reverts to primitive Us vs. Them thinking.
No, again, it doesn't; it reminds everyone that your actions have consequences. I would expect, and not be surprised by, a pro-life organization firing from their ranks someone who supported planned parenthood. I would expect, and not be surprised by, a business firing someone who refused to abide by the basic requirements of their job.
Respectfully, I really don't think you've listened to the explanations given for what actually happened with Eich. It was not a witchhunt or a lynching, it was not a silencing of freedom of speech, it was not violent or cruel or oppressive or 'fall in' or anything else. It was the following through with the ramifications for his actions. HIS actions.
... with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandalled feet.