KrytenKoro wrote:Not nearly the most appalling thing about this situation (the abuse of children is, and will continue to be, the most horrifying bit), but still flummoxing -- that gamergaters on KiA and twitter will simultaneously claim that gamergate does not defend CP or CP providers while, just a post above them (or even in their own post!) saying that they will defend CP and CP providers as a "free speech issue", and that it is "without precedent and assholish" to try to clamp down on the CP providers' "freedom of speech to create and provide CP". (Because the freedom of the children being exploited is apparently worth less than the freedom of speech to exploit them?) And the people posting that they will defend CP? "Guilded" and upvoted for it.
Let me be frank -- this is not merely an issue of "guilt by association", that it is some coincidence that one prominent GG member associated with CP providers and Nazis, and detractors are trying to tar them by saying "you should feel bad for engaging these people in conversation!". CP and Nazi hate speech is something that GG, en masse, will continuously and vociferously defend not only as "technically legal free speech" (which only Nazism technically is in a few countries, not worldwide, and CP is basically nowhere), but as something that should not even be condemned. So long as you support gamergate (and refuse to question any of the leaders of the movement, as people like lousypencilclip found out when they voiced dissent with Milo's transphobia and the GG movement's widespread embrace of it), there appears to literally be no abominable crime that the horde of Gamergaters will not only defend but encourage in you. It is this defense and encouragement of evil that speaks badly of gamergate, clearly and explicitly, yet GG members will continue to deny that any one of them will defend evil in the same breath as defending evil, instead strawmanning the criticism of what they've done as "ad hominem".
And in the next breath, will then claim that it is in fact FoldableHuman who should be found guilty of CP for finding these images on 8chan, writing an expose, and reporting them to the authorities -- when he should obviously (according to them) instead be reporting them to the mods of 8chan, who have said they know the material exists, will make no move to remove it unless it so blatantly breaks the law that they can no longer claim plausible deniability for themselves, and whose system is set up to sweep the infraction under the rug so that the offenders cannot be found and prosecuted. As if notifying the legal authorities of a crime makes you guilty of accessory to the crime in any sane legal system.
Furthermore, they will then claim that gamergate does not support harassment or doxxing, while simultaneously expressing support and encouragement for the harassment-and-doxxing board "baphomet".
The worst part of this is that this utter incoherence, continuous doublethink, and total denial of responsibility even when the individual themselves, not just the group, committed the crime -- is absolutely representative of gamergate as a whole. This is what you see of it, day in and day out, without even having to go "digging up dirt" on forums that detest Gamergate, like Gamerghazi. This is not obscure opinions posted on threads taken out of context, this is what Gamergaters (and KiA especially) put up on their front pages as their most popular threads and most lauded commentary. This is what they look up to.
And they're happy about it.
You're still on about this? The only reason this ever came up in the first place was because some anti-GGer needed a new way to try to paint GG as evil. It kind of tells you something about the strength of the anti-GG side when all they can do is try to slander the movement by association.