Guns generally aren't sold into the black market by legitimate purchasers, for obvious reasons. They're generally stolen.
Bullshit. Stop making stuff up because you wish it were true.
Sport shooters - who you dysphemistically call "gun hoarders" - aren't the ones going around killing people.
One group is shooting paper targets and the other is shooting people. If you can't see the distinction, that may be the root of your problem.
Again, you are practicing argument by making shit up. Gun owners -- "thugs" as you call them when you don't like them, "sportspeople" as you call them when you do (compromise -- sportsthugs?) -- are responsible for the deaths of over 30,000 Americans per year. What small fraction of that was carried out with stolen guns? Evidence please .
Thugs == violent criminals. Sportsmen are different. His meaning is fairly clear here. You're jumping around trying to confuse the issue between suicides and violent crime.
Suicidal people are not thugs. Different problem.
Your proposed policy targets sports shooters in that they pay an inordinate amount of money against the supposed "cost" that you imagine is owed; and it targets the poor in that it limits their ability to enjoy a basic right because of their financial status. Words can be used to convey more than one meaning, and often are.
Nope, it doesn't target the poor. You have a right to smoke, but smoking is taxed. You have a right to drink, but drinking is taxed. Via a dubious reinterpretation of a sentence authorizing the states to maintain militias, you have a limited right to (stupidly) own firearms, but that can very much be taxed.[/quote]
Yes, other regressive policies have been used. They are also rough on poor people. Flat fees are always going to be comparatively more burdensome for the poor. This isn't a firearms specific thing, this is just basic economics.
Tyndmyr wrote:Violent crime has a pretty high recurrence rate, and also is disproportionately concentrated geographically, economically, etc. It doesn't occur randomly throughout the entire population.
Violent crime represents less than one third of Americans killed by guns each year. The rest die by suicide, or by accident. So violent crime is not the primary issue.
Accident is a rounding error, so, if you're dismissing the third killed by violent crime, I'm not sure why you're bringing up accidents. Talking about suicide prevention is fair, but I fear we're getting way off the topic of this particular example, as this seemed to be fear mongering primarily with relation to violence.
As a secondary issue, violent crime occurs in all areas and all socioeconomic groups. It's higher frequency in some areas or among some populations is only relevant if you can define an effective policy of gun control for that given area or subgroup. But because guns are easily portable, that's not very practical.
Yes, firearms are easily available and portable, and thus, restrictions have been pretty terrible. The UK, for instance, despite fifteen years of heavy firearms restrictions, has a pretty good pile of violent crime all the same.
The fact that your proposed fixes, by your own admission, can not be effectively targetted at the actual problem is...very worrying.
In New York, where this fake gun store set up, they have strict firearms laws, but these have limited effectiveness, because gun stores from states with light regulations sell hundreds and thousands of guns to legal purchasers who then illegally import them into New York.
As such straw purchases are illegal, these people are, by federal law, not legal purchasers.
Of course, as you point out, it happens regardless.
Let's take these claims one at a time. First, if private firearms are rare, where do the stolen guns come from? You can steal them from law enforcement or the military. Difficult. You can find a place guns are cheap and plentiful and smuggle them across the border. Also difficult, as evidenced by the fact the Mexican gangs get their firearms from us.
Private firearms are not rare now. How do you intend to make them rare? Keep in mind that anyone vaguely handy with tools and access to a home depot can whip at least a simple one up.
Mexican gangs primarily get their firearms locally. Of the firearms sourced outside the country, more are indeed made in the US than elsewhere. Which, yknow, given basic geography, is kind of obvious. A vast majority of firearms are NOT sourced outside the country. Differentiating between these stats is quite significant.
"Illegal manufacture." Have you seen the guns British criminals occasionally "illegally manufacture"? They're pretty pathetic. Facing a criminal with a homemade pipe-and-nail derringer versus a military assault rifle modified for single shot only. Decisions, decisions.
Australia had a recent bust where they had industrial manufacturing of illegal silenced submachineguns. They were NOT modified for single shot only. Because, seriously, once you're at that level of illegal, nobody is worrying about minor details that are also illegal.
The large existing pool of firearms will be taxed, under my proposal. They will gradually leave the system as people don't want to pay $300 a year to hang on to them. People with ten handguns will decide they really need two.
Presumably poor people. Donald trump has two handguns, presumably because he likes owning things, not because he's much a sportsman, but I digress. I doubt he will care one way or the other. The poor family will be impacted first, be it by turning in guns, missing the bill, and being sent to jail, or whatever.
Of course people may hide their firearms and refuse to pay their taxes. But then, the IRS has their little ways. They got Capone, they will probably get most of the sportsthugs. And again, most people are pretty law abiding. Such a law would gradually increase in effectiveness over time. Remember, the purpose is not to ban guns but to discourage gun ownership like any other public health threat, and allow gun owners to take some financial responsibility for the >30,000 dead Americans their hobby causes each year.
Right. You don't care about the gun banning, you just view us as the enemy, and wish to get rid of us. This is, shockingly, not very popular among the people you're trying to get rid of.