KnightExemplar wrote:Bush wanted his plan. Obama followed Bush's plan. There really isn't a big difference here.
Bush was in charge of the first Iraq surge, and would have likely led a second Iraq surge when things weren't working out. Obama was anti-surge from the start. He pulled back troop numbers severely, and when the Republicans were gunning for more troops, Obama pulled more troops out.
And mind you, it wasn't Bush vs Obama. It was Obama vs McCain. McCain has remained a figure in national politics for these past 8 years, so we know his opinion on virtually everything. He's disagreed with a lot of Obama's policies, and it is very easy to see what McCain would have done differently.
Well, yes, Republicans and Democrats disagree endlessly. This is what they say.
But go back, and watch some of those debates. They boil down to "and I would do this BETTER" a great deal of the time. At the time, there wasn't a lot of enthusiasm for more war, but a lot of caring about the economy. So...at the end of the day, it's not as if things were likely to turn out very differently.
What, would more republican policy have resulted in conflict in Syria and drone strikes?
I'd imagine that McCain would have approved a 2nd surge of troops, double-downed on Mosul and Ramadi. Probably hundreds or thousands of US casualties when ISIS attacked those cities, but then the US regains control and weathers the attack. McCain was staunchly against pulling the troops out of Iraq.
We probably would have had a separate set of issues (even more War weariness than we have now), but that's how I'd imagine McCain handling that situation.
Nonsense. McCain said that if HE'd been prez at the time, there probably wouldn't have even been an Iraq War.
Your imagination is simply fueled by "republicans go punch things, democrats don't" talking points.
Obama has, by any measure, not really been much of a pacifist.
He has been a very "not my problem" president with regards to Iraq and Afghanistan. He's been trying to push Iraq and Afghanis to handle the situation by themselves.
He has said many words to those effects. He also has not been overly hesitant to fire the missiles.
I imagine that a Republican, too, would have fired many missiles. Perhaps different words would have been spoken, but who cares?
Yes, yes. I'm aware of the narrative. I gave you actual statistics. In actual practice, Obama has deported a ridiculous amount of people, and the trend rose to a record level under him. The fact that it's now regressing towards the mean is...well, unsurprising. That happens eventually. It isn't strong support for him changing things away from the status quo.
Yeah. Obama did that. Mostly because he didn't actually change the policy until November 2014. Keep up with the new policies. I don't care about old statistics. Give me statistics only after Nov 2014. Hell, some of these policies have only been present for a few months.
http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/file ... ull_En.pdf
I guarantee you that this policy decision will be reversed by a Republican President. You really can't close your eyes to real change that is occurring right now.
If it's less than a year old, you can't reasonably expect the government to have comprehensive data on it yet. Most stuff is year by year, and there's some delay inherent in preparing data.
The fact that he didn't find the policy important to change until now, after the record breaking numbers were accomplished, should be enlightening regarding his priorities. I doubt it would have ever arisen had the deportation level stayed constant. I expect that, republican or democrat, it'll continue to revert toward the mean.
A republican will merely make words regarding deporting all lawbreakers, blah, blah, blah...but he'll still prioritize deporting felons first, as both parties always have in modern history. Nobody's gonna stand up there and speak out on behalf of illegal immigrant felons. Haha, no.
What actual change do you expect from republicans? Building a wall? Nah. That costs ridiculous money. The Mexican government is not going to pay for it, no matter what Trump says. No incentive. Lobbying for rights for immigrants and/or felons? Hah. Nope, they're gonna say "deport them all, but ESPECIALLY deport those felons". The democrats will say the same thing, but with a sad, sympathetic face instead of a self-righteous one.