elasto wrote:I disagree. There's a lot of anger and talk of betrayal on the alt-right.
There'll always be that crazy extreme wing, who basically always want everything to go further to a ludicrous degree. They're mostly irrelevant, though.
Felstaff wrote:Genuine question: do USAians give a shit about Nigel Farage? Do they even know who he is?
Mostly, no. I probably pay more attention to politics than most(as is likely true for all of us), but the only recognition that clicked for me was "British Politician". I couldn't say what party, though I suspect he's likely reasonably influential, because it's not as if I'd recognize many such names. Americans are remarkably apathetic to politics anywhere that's not here.
Sableagle wrote:Considering where he was on election day, a random walk was going to look good to a lot of us, but he's been pretty consistently walking in good directions. From "Global Warming is a Chinese hoax to make American businesses less competitive" he's jumped to "human activity is affecting the climate and action to address that may be necessary," he's dropped the "Jail Hillary on Day 1" thing, now he's turning against waterboarding, ...
It's convenient for him to do so. Continuing the status quo is the easy choice in most cases, so discarding things that'd take work...It makes sense. He's always been quite willing to change positions to one that is more advantageous. As Sardia says, the idea that he was going to stick firmly to his pre-election positions was doomed all along.
Thesh wrote:I wouldn't trust Republicans or the FBI to stop pursuing it. A blanket pardon ends the issue and everyone forgets about it in a few months.
Basically this. She's already assumed to be basically guilty, and if she's no longer a viable candidate, what do you lose by pardoning her? Sure, it's like plea-bargaining or something perception-wise, but the actual strategic loss is basically nothing. She's already assumed to be crooked, to be in bed with the establishment, etc. There's no actual loss for her getting pardoned.
I don't expect Trump to care, but other Republicans likely still will, if she's not.
Zamfir wrote:@Elasto, I get your point, but I am not fully convinced (how's that for waffling?). There's a reason you can still visit echochamber dot me . Debate on some points can hide strong, subtly enforced agreement on other points. Look at the low number of explicit pro-Trump posts in this gazillion-post thread.
Most of debate was "is Trump bad or double-plus bad", "is Trump's competently bad or incompetently bad ", "is Hillary also bad", " Since Trump is so bad, can you vote third party", "is every Trump supporter automatically bad", etc.
Sure. Highly conservative forums exist as well. I'd agree that some venues are better than others, but a lot of that is solely the medium. Facebook is a really bad medium for lengthy, detailed discussion. Twitter is also bad for this. They're simply not designed to cater to that form of discussion in the way that forums are.
Has anyone consisted mass relocation and paying them until they die quietly? It would work, but it wouldn't be very sexy.
This has occurred to me. It's a possible answer, I suppose, but it means a huge cultural shift. There's always gonna be those people who believe that this land was their fathers and grandfathers, and dammit, they're gonna die there.
To an extent, population migration already happens. Those who want to move, and can move, already do. Sure, you can maybe help out those who want to move, but can't....but even after doing that, you're likely to still have a significant portion of the problem remaining.
I'm also not sure that they'd all adapt terribly well to relocation to urban areas. Even if there are jobs there, does the beer swilling, gun toting redneck fit the local culture? Maybe not. Yeah, it's a stereotype, but it's not wholly inaccurate. Just paying them until they die, well...what of their children? It might just create a new flavor of under-class. You'd literally need to change everything about them for them to blend into the local workforce. That's difficult.