Just posting something that was in another thread (the Gamergate Thread). Its basically turned into a Trump topic, so I think it belongs here instead.
LaserGuy wrote: KnightExemplar wrote:
KrytenKoro: you do not hold a monopoly on "caring" for issues. I care and that's why I respond at all. On Gamergate, my caring level has greatly diminished in the past two years however. I'll reserve my hyperventilating for the actual
Donald Trump topic.
As for the rest of your post: Ad Hominem is literally a fallacy of irrelevance
. "Donald Trump is racist" is a fallacy. There are far stronger arguments to be used against him. But at the end of the day, "This man is racist" was the #1 overriding message from the media to the point of absurdity.
It's only a fallacy if you're deflecting argument against one of his policies by pointing out that he is racist. If your talking about his character, trustworthiness, or general fitness to be president of the United States, then it is relevant.
There are roughly two kinds Trump supporters I've come across.
1. Truly racist types -- One of my uncles who've I've talked to in person... and another anonymous person who happened to be a white-supremisist. In the case of my uncle, calling Donald Trump "racist" to them resulted in them basically saying "So what?? Here's a Jew Joke". In the white-supremisist case, it resulted in him saying "I'm a white supremisist. You'll never understand my viewpoint because you only see me as a racist". A racist person doesn't give a fuck about electing a racist type.
2. Non-racist types -- My mother would be in this case, a Trump supporter but I don't see her as racist. As an Asian-American immigrant, my mother has faced workplace discrimination in her previous employer and worked on a multi-year racial discrimination case against them. I have absolutely
no ability to describe the issues of race and racism to her. My mother has experienced it first-hand and taught me about the importance of fighting against racism.
Now with that said, she definitely voted for Trump. No need for me to say this, but my mother is basically immune to the "but he's a racist" kinds of lectures. After all, who am I to lecture my mom on the basis of racism in this country? She already knows that crap, so that's just a subject that I'm not going to be able to "break through" to my mother on.
"Donald Trump is racist" is completely ineffective as a method of communication and/or debate. Racists don't care, and the non-racists don't deserve the lecture.
The next election needs to have superior
arguments that can break through and communicate past the Right / Left divide. Whatever strategies come up for 2020, it will have to be a lot better than "But Trump is racist".
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