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FIFA officials arrested

Postby Lazar » Wed May 27, 2015 12:23 pm UTC

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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby Diadem » Wed May 27, 2015 1:34 pm UTC

It's a damn shame they apparently don't have enough to arrest Blatter himself, because of course he's at least as guilty as any of the others. Let's hope a few of the people now arrested start confessing.

The FIFA is completely corrupted, probably irredeemably so. This friday are FIFA's presidential elections. At this point I'm actually hoping that Blatter will be reelected, because that may lead to FIFA imploding. Imagine the chaos if the UEFA (the European football association) were to withdraw from FIFA (a move that's already being openly discussed within Europe). Without Europe a world championship would be meaningless, and FIFA would probably lose most of its revenue overnight. If wonder if there are legal obstacles to such a move though. Does anyone happen to know more about the legal relationship between FIFA, UEFA and the national associations?
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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby Diadem » Wed May 27, 2015 1:48 pm UTC

I'm a bit sad though that this happens as a result of an American investigation. These are foreign citizens committing crime on foreign soil. The connection with America is tenuous at best. I'm glad that someone is bringing charges, but it would really have been better if it would have been one of the countries actually involved.
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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby ahammel » Wed May 27, 2015 2:17 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:I'm a bit sad though that this happens as a result of an American investigation. These are foreign citizens committing crime on foreign soil. The connection with America is tenuous at best. I'm glad that someone is bringing charges, but it would really have been better if it would have been one of the countries actually involved.

According to this article, there are two sets of criminal proceedings ongoing. One on Switzerland regarding corruption in the awarding of the next two world cups, and one in the US for miscellaneous corruption. CONCACAF was raided as well.
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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby Paul in Saudi » Wed May 27, 2015 3:24 pm UTC

This may be the longest-running and most amusing news story of the year.

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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby sardia » Wed May 27, 2015 4:56 pm UTC

Can someone elaborate on the USA connection? Is it bank law violation? I know the usa has a wide reach for seemingly foreign crimes.
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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby cphite » Wed May 27, 2015 5:17 pm UTC

sardia wrote:Can someone elaborate on the USA connection? Is it bank law violation? I know the usa has a wide reach for shingly foreign crimes.


Allegedly they were taking bribes in exchange for rights to televise and distribute in the USA. They're also accused of racketeering, wire fraud and laundering money - presumably with American media outlets. And since these crimes are directly with Americans and over the wire, they are considered American crimes not "foreign" crimes.

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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby Zamfir » Wed May 27, 2015 5:38 pm UTC

Can someone elaborate on the USA connection?


The current events are an outgrowth of an earlier corruption investigation into the former American soccer chief, a guy named Chuck Blazer. He has spent the last few years collecting evidence against his former FIFA mates. Presumably in return for something.

That investigation in turn came out of an earlier scandal, where Blazer had provided public evidence against another former mate, head of the North American and Caribbean soccer federation Jack Warner. At the time, Warner was organizing a coup against Blatter, so he had to be removed and Blazer was the assigned tool. Apparently he got caught up in his own evidence against Warner.

Warner in turn was the guy who rallied the support for Blatter himself back in the 90s, when Havelange quit and UEFA tried to re-take the FIFA. Nice guys, all of them.

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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby Derek » Wed May 27, 2015 6:32 pm UTC

Zamfir wrote:
Can someone elaborate on the USA connection?


The current events are an outgrowth of an earlier corruption investigation into the former American soccer chief, a guy named Chuck Blazer. He has spent the last few years collecting evidence against his former FIFA mates. Presumably in return for something.

That investigation in turn came out of an earlier scandal, where Blazer had provided public evidence against another former mate, head of the North American and Caribbean soccer federation Jack Warner. At the time, Warner was organizing a coup against Blatter, so he had to be removed and Blazer was the assigned tool. Apparently he got caught up in his own evidence against Warner.

Warner in turn was the guy who rallied the support for Blatter himself back in the 90s, when Havelange quit and UEFA tried to re-take the FIFA. Nice guys, all of them.

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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby Zamfir » Wed May 27, 2015 6:35 pm UTC

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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby ahammel » Wed May 27, 2015 7:26 pm UTC

Zamfir wrote:When there's more porn in the stories?

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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby CBusAlex » Wed May 27, 2015 7:34 pm UTC

sardia wrote:Can someone elaborate on the USA connection? Is it bank law violation? I know the usa has a wide reach for shingly foreign crimes.


As I understand it, the US arrests are for bribery and corruption connected to the 2016 Copa America, which will be played in the US and is run in part by CONCACAF, which has offices in Miami. The investigation into bribery and corruption connected to the 2018 and 2022 World Cups is being handled by Switzerland, where FIFA headquarters is located.

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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby leady » Wed May 27, 2015 9:29 pm UTC

Zamfir wrote:When there's more porn in the stories?


Oh I think you can be sure that more than money was used.

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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby Negated » Thu May 28, 2015 7:33 am UTC

CBusAlex wrote:
sardia wrote:Can someone elaborate on the USA connection? Is it bank law violation? I know the usa has a wide reach for shingly foreign crimes.


As I understand it, the US arrests are for bribery and corruption connected to the 2016 Copa America, which will be played in the US and is run in part by CONCACAF, which has offices in Miami. The investigation into bribery and corruption connected to the 2018 and 2022 World Cups is being handled by Switzerland, where FIFA headquarters is located.

Also, some of the wired transfers of the bribes went through banks in the US.

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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby Diadem » Thu May 28, 2015 8:26 am UTC

sardia wrote:Can someone elaborate on the USA connection? Is it bank law violation? I know the usa has a wide reach for seemingly foreign crimes.

According to the Dutch news sites I read, it was exactly that. Though others here in this thread seem to claim differently, so now I don't know anymore. Perhaps it's a bit of both.
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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby EdgarJPublius » Fri May 29, 2015 5:45 am UTC

Diadem wrote:It's a damn shame they apparently don't have enough to arrest Blatter himself, because of course he's at least as guilty as any of the others. Let's hope a few of the people now arrested start confessing.


Usually, when upper-level members of a criminal organization/conspiracy are arrested but the leader isn't, it's one of two scenarios:
  • Law Enforcement is hoping for one or more of the upper level members to start naming names and roll up on the leader
  • The leader is exchanging information on (some of) the upper level members in exchange for some sort of immunity or plea deal
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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby charliepanayi » Fri May 29, 2015 6:25 pm UTC

Blatter gets re-elected - shock horror as people on gravy train vote to keep it going. And allegedly Spain voted for Blatter, so so much for the united front from UEFA. Everyone gets outraged, and obviously Blatter is terrible etc, but frankly I can't be bothered to make the effort. The only way things will change is if enough major countries decide to break away or if major sponsors develop a conscience. Good luck getting either of those to happen. And concerted pressure for change is unlikely to happen when people and the media spend most of the year fixated on club football instead and all the hoo-haa that goes with it.
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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby Diadem » Fri May 29, 2015 8:24 pm UTC

So the chairman of the Dutch football association said that he won't accept Blatter's reelection, and is openly speculating about leaving FIFA.

Of course talk is cheap, but this is still interesting. He implied that Germany, England, Spain, Italy, France and The Netherlands might leave together. On the one hand that is only 6 countries out of 209, but they are the 6 strongest European ones. That's all world cup finalists from the last 50 years, except for Brazil and Argentine. And a lot of television and sponsor money. I am pretty sure that if that actually happens others will follow.

Thia actually happening is still a long shot. But it is clear that this drama has not yet reached it final act.
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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby CorruptUser » Fri May 29, 2015 9:19 pm UTC

If it does implode, I hope it's before the Russian games. Putin spent all that money to get absolutely nothing! But really, what were they thinking with Qatar? I mean sure, slave labor means more money for FIFA, but just think about the lost revenue from beer sales! And for fucks sake it's 45 degrees celcius in the summer; Qatar got the bid on the condition they spend more money than it would cost to send someone to Mars on air conditioning but oops, no AC.

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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby Djehutynakht » Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:08 pm UTC

Blatter has imploded:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32982449


I always love when they resign right after being unapologetically defiant.

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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby Diadem » Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:18 pm UTC

Wow! Good news! Good news indeed!

Things are moving very fast right now. This weekend it turned out that actually both Spain and France had voted FOR Blatter, so it looked like the UEFA protest against Blatter had collapsed before it even really began. Then today Blatter's right hand man, Jerome Valcke, got implicated in a 10 million dollar bribe, and now this.

Now let's hope we can get some real reform in.
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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby PolakoVoador » Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:12 pm UTC

Did you all see Jack Warner using The fucking Onion as a proof that all this is an American conspiracy?

The satirical article, published Wednesday under the headline, “FIFA Frantically Announces 2015 Summer World Cup in the United States,” mockingly suggested that, to placate American officials, the governing body had added a new tournament, which would begin the very same day.

Holding up a printout of The Onion piece as if it were a genuine news report, Mr. Warner told viewers of the video posted on his personal website, Facebook page and YouTube channel, “All this has stemmed from the failed U.S. bid to host the World Cup.”


As dramatic background music swelled, he went on, holding up The Onion article again, to accuse the United States of hypocrisy for accepting the right to host the (entirely fictional) “Summer World Cup, 2015, from the very same organization that they are accusing of being corrupt. That has to be double standards.”



Apart from his complete cluelessness, what baffles me is how can he think this would be a good defense? "You see, we are not corrupt. I can prove because we just bribed the people who were investigating us for past bribes and they accepted it! Clearly the past bribes were not real so we're good, right?"

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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby elasto » Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:46 pm UTC

A vanity film about the history of Fifa has flopped in the US, taking just $607 (£397) in its opening weekend.

United Passions was funded by about £17m of Fifa cash, and was completed before corruption charges were made against 14 of its officials in May.

Starring Tim Roth as Sepp Blatter, the hagiography of football's governing body has had damning reviews. The Village Voice called it "not merely ham-fisted, but pork-shouldered, bacon-wristed, and sausage-elbowed". The Guardian added that "as proof of corporate insanity it is a valuable case study."

The movie's budget was estimated at between $25m - $32m (£16- £21m), with Fifa said to have put up about three-quarters of the money.

It debuted in the States on Friday, on just 10 screens. According to The Hollywood Reporter, the FilmBar cinema in Phoenix reported takings of just $9, meaning only one person bought a ticket.

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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby PeteP » Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:52 pm UTC

I'm so accustumed to numbers in millions for movies that when skimming it I read it as 607 million thought "seems very high to me" and the got to the 25 mio investment. Then I looked back to the beginning…

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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby charliepanayi » Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:34 am UTC

I'm sure the audiences who saw it were saying Boo-latter.
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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby PolakoVoador » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:55 pm UTC

So, this happened at Blatter's interview today:
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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby Derek » Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:04 pm UTC

Is that a real picture? Where did the money come from (you can't exactly throw bill very far)?

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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby Angua » Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:06 pm UTC

Some comedian according to a radio news broadcast I heard on the way home.
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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby PolakoVoador » Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:23 pm UTC

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33591332

Fifa president Sepp Blatter was forced to halt a news conference when UK prankster Simon Brodkin - whose stage name is Lee Nelson - threw a pile of banknotes at him saying, "here you go, Sepp".

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Re: FIFA officials arrested

Postby charliepanayi » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:39 pm UTC

Yeah, he's a prankster who to be honest is pretty annoying. Plus as someone said if you're going to prank someone like Blatter, at least get a custard pie in there..
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