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Re: Trump presidency

Postby trpmb6 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:21 pm UTC

iamspen wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:Yet for some reason we seem set on 9. Trump could go on a spree and add 5 more justices if he wanted. Nothing really to stop him.


That's a statute instituted by Congress. FDR tried to have the statute amended to allow for a bench of up to 15 justices, but Congress refused. So no, Trump can't just add a bunch of justices because there is, in face, a rule established by law limiting the SCOTUS bench to 9.


Indeed. Not sure why it was in my head that it was not limited at all. Must have been some nonesense i read on facebook. I'm striking out today on my history.

At any rate it *could* be done, but would need a 60 vote threshold in the senate which won't happen. Though turkey neck could change the rules I suppose.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:33 pm UTC

trpmb6 wrote:
iamspen wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:Yet for some reason we seem set on 9. Trump could go on a spree and add 5 more justices if he wanted. Nothing really to stop him.


That's a statute instituted by Congress. FDR tried to have the statute amended to allow for a bench of up to 15 justices, but Congress refused. So no, Trump can't just add a bunch of justices because there is, in face, a rule established by law limiting the SCOTUS bench to 9.


Indeed. Not sure why it was in my head that it was not limited at all. Must have been some nonesense i read on facebook. I'm striking out today on my history.

At any rate it *could* be done, but would need a 60 vote threshold in the senate which won't happen. Though turkey neck could change the rules I suppose.

Conservatives are very very reluctant to change the filibuster rule. The reason is that the filibuster makes the Senate more conservative to change. Sure they could notch a few wins today, but they would be undone just as easily. Statistically, conservatives benefit more from filibustering. That's why it lives.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Liri » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:53 pm UTC

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Mutex » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:05 pm UTC

Oh, it was Kelly who asked for it to happen.
The decision to remove Mr. Scaramucci, who had boasted about reporting directly to the president, not the chief of staff, John F. Kelly, came at Mr. Kelly’s request, the people said. Mr. Kelly made clear to members of the White House staff at a meeting Monday morning that he is in charge.

For a wild, crazy moment I thought Trump had started caring about competence.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Plasma_Wolf » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:22 pm UTC

Seems like a general does. This Kelly is a general, right?

Maybe when this entire circus is over with, the administration will have a harder time coming up with distractions so the talk will be about the policies. I'm not sure which is worse for Trump in terms of political prospects. Showing how idiotic the "Trump family, president family" reality show is, or being under the scrutiny of pretty much everyone about what his policies do.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby speising » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:56 pm UTC

So, did the trump administration already set a new record for employee throughput?

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby ivnja » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:59 pm UTC

Ten days. I know there's internal power struggle stuff going on, but seriously. I'm kind of awed by the level of douchebaggery and poor judgement he managed to show in such a short time to already get himself fired, especially in an administration where those things seem to be taken as virtues.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Thesh » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:38 pm UTC

Technically, he was never hired. He also missed the birth of his kid and his wife left him. Couldn't have happened to a nicer person.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:24 am UTC

Remember when Trump Jr lied about meeting with Russians? Turns out he (jr. and his lawyers) wanted to tell the truth until President Trump directly intervened, and made everyone say it was about adoption. It's not a crime to deceive journalists, but it's a thread to pull at.
On the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit in Germany last month, President Trump’s advisers discussed how to respond to a new revelation that Trump’s oldest son had met with a Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign — a disclosure the advisers knew carried political and potentially legal peril.
The strategy, the advisers agreed, should be for Donald Trump Jr. to release a statement to get ahead of the story. They wanted to be truthful, so their account couldn’t be repudiated later if the full details emerged.
But within hours, at the president’s direction, the plan changed.

Flying home from Germany on July 8 aboard Air Force One, Trump personally dictated a statement in which Trump Jr. said that he and the Russian lawyer had “primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children” when they met in June 2016, according to multiple people with knowledge of the deliberations. The statement, issued to the New York Times as it prepared an article, emphasized that the subject of the meeting was “not a campaign issue at the time.”
The claims were later shown to be misleading. “This was . . . unnecessary,” said one of the president’s advisers, who like most other people interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive internal deliberations. “Now someone can claim he’s the one who attempted to mislead. Somebody can argue the president is saying he doesn’t want you to say the whole truth.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
Nobody else has picked up on this story yet, so no idea how big of a deal it is to anyone except Mueller.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Soupspoon » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:01 am UTC

That's Ok. I'm sure it's addressed in the latest Executive Tweet (as is everything else that's going on). Don't worry, everybody, because it's "A great day at the White House!"

(That's it? That's your Distracting Tweet Of The Day? Well, maybe not. It's only... nearly 2am over there? Still time for something else, I suppose. But it's probably the least controversial.thing you've said, recently, even though being subjectively wrong by many people's standards...)

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Chen » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:45 am UTC

sardia wrote:Remember when Trump Jr lied about meeting with Russians? Turns out he (jr. and his lawyers) wanted to tell the truth until President Trump directly intervened, and made everyone say it was about adoption. It's not a crime to deceive journalists, but it's a thread to pull at.
On the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit in Germany last month, President Trump’s advisers discussed how to respond to a new revelation that Trump’s oldest son had met with a Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign — a disclosure the advisers knew carried political and potentially legal peril.
The strategy, the advisers agreed, should be for Donald Trump Jr. to release a statement to get ahead of the story. They wanted to be truthful, so their account couldn’t be repudiated later if the full details emerged.
But within hours, at the president’s direction, the plan changed.

Flying home from Germany on July 8 aboard Air Force One, Trump personally dictated a statement in which Trump Jr. said that he and the Russian lawyer had “primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children” when they met in June 2016, according to multiple people with knowledge of the deliberations. The statement, issued to the New York Times as it prepared an article, emphasized that the subject of the meeting was “not a campaign issue at the time.”
The claims were later shown to be misleading. “This was . . . unnecessary,” said one of the president’s advisers, who like most other people interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive internal deliberations. “Now someone can claim he’s the one who attempted to mislead. Somebody can argue the president is saying he doesn’t want you to say the whole truth.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
Nobody else has picked up on this story yet, so no idea how big of a deal it is to anyone except Mueller.


First thought here really has nothing to do with the content but how its delivered. It's concerning they went into such detail as to how he delivered this ("Flying home from Germany on July 8 aboard Air Force One, Trump personally dictated a statement"). There can't have been THAT many people around when he did this, which kinda lets them focus in on who's leaking this kind of stuff. That's not great for the public.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby orthogon » Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:10 pm UTC

Chen wrote:First thought here really has nothing to do with the content but how its delivered. It's concerning they went into such detail as to how he delivered this ("Flying home from Germany on July 8 aboard Air Force One, Trump personally dictated a statement"). There can't have been THAT many people around when he did this, which kinda lets them focus in on who's leaking this kind of stuff. That's not great for the public.

Surely, if the thing happened, then it happened in the place and at the time that it happened, and the people who could have leaked it are those people that were present at the time, and "they" would know that place and time already? The only way I can see it would give additional information about the source is if the source were lying, but was being truthful about a place and time where they'd been present.

I guess the extra information is given to feed the conjunction fallacy. The extra details about where and when Trump dictated the statement adds verisimilitude to the claim. Fallacy or not, it certainly works for me!
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Liri » Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:59 pm UTC

From what Perry Bacon Jr. has said, leaks from unnamed sources are most fraught when they make predictions. This seems fairly innocuous.

And, too, the leaking folks know exactly how many people were present and how likely it is they'll be outed.

Semi-related, but Nate mentioned once again how obvious it is that Jared-Ivanka are the source of a lot of the palace intrigue leaks. Maybe I'm just not reading those articles? Because nothing lately has really jumped out at me.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby trpmb6 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:08 pm UTC

Leaking has it's place. But eventually when the faucet gets turned on too much it causes people to become very secretive, withdrawn, less trusting and even combatant. We've already seen some of these traits. Eventually Trump and his closest team may close out everyone else which, imo, is a bad thing for all of us. There's a fine line to walk I think. Though some of the leakers may be betting on causing so much turmoil that it completely derails the administration. I don't see how that could help Republicans in any way.

I do like General Kelly's (reportedly) statement to the team: The game of thrones style tit for tat attacks need to stop. But that's what happens when you put the Bannon camp in next to (what was) the Priebus camp next to the Kushner/ivanka camp.

Republicans in congress are getting dangerously close to having the same issue democrats have in congress. A lack of an identity with specific policies. Maybe they can 'right the ship' with some tax reforms.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Thesh » Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:38 pm UTC

Liri wrote:Semi-related, but Nate mentioned once again how obvious it is that Jared-Ivanka are the source of a lot of the palace intrigue leaks. Maybe I'm just not reading those articles? Because nothing lately has really jumped out at me.


I don't know about obvious, but there has been speculation after some outlets that have leaked and they followed up with favorable reporting on Ivanka. Also, I'm pretty sure everyone is leaking.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Soupspoon » Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:06 pm UTC

Sideline issue... Social hacking of the WH, etc

(BTW, Bossert, discussed back in February... Now, I don't like dissing cybersecurity people, as I know that even the best ones tend to be known for their few, rare failures. But that's a bit of a hiccup.)

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby trpmb6 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:23 pm UTC

I've lost a lot of confidence in Nate of late. I feel like he's far more speculative than he has been in the past.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:33 pm UTC

trpmb6 wrote:I've lost a lot of confidence in Nate of late. I feel like he's far more speculative than he has been in the past.

Care to give a couple examples?

NPR is saying Trump personally reviewed a fake news story to distract from the Russia news. http://www.npr.org/2017/08/01/540783715 ... news-story
The Fox News Channel and a wealthy supporter of President Trump worked in concert under the watchful eye of the White House to concoct a story about the murder of a young Democratic National Committee aide, according to a lawsuit filed Tuesday.

The explosive claim is part of the lawsuit filed against Fox News by Rod Wheeler, a longtime paid commentator for the news network. The suit was obtained exclusively by NPR.

Wheeler alleges Fox News and the Trump supporter intended to deflect public attention from growing concern about the administration's ties to the Russian government. His suit charges that a Fox News reporter created quotations out of thin air and attributed them to him to propel her story.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby trpmb6 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:43 pm UTC

sardia wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:I've lost a lot of confidence in Nate of late. I feel like he's far more speculative than he has been in the past.

Care to give a couple examples?



Not really. It's just a feeling I've had in general since the election. Probably doesn't help that he felt it necessary to write a lengthy "alternate earth" scenario where Hillary won and what he thought would happen under a Hillary presidency. Though, I did find it interesting to read.

Perhaps I shouldn't be so hard on him. He's a blogger after all. He can be more speculative in that role I suppose.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Liri » Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:53 pm UTC

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Liri wrote:Semi-related, but Nate mentioned once again how obvious it is that Jared-Ivanka are the source of a lot of the palace intrigue leaks. Maybe I'm just not reading those articles? Because nothing lately has really jumped out at me.


I don't know about obvious, but there has been speculation after some outlets that have leaked and they followed up with favorable reporting on Ivanka. Also, I'm pretty sure everyone is leaking.

Yeah, that's what he's been referring to, but I haven't seen any of that in recent articles citing unnamed sources.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby KnightExemplar » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:48 pm UTC

trpmb6 wrote:Leaking has it's place. But eventually when the faucet gets turned on too much it causes people to become very secretive, withdrawn, less trusting and even combatant. We've already seen some of these traits. Eventually Trump and his closest team may close out everyone else which, imo, is a bad thing for all of us. There's a fine line to walk I think. Though some of the leakers may be betting on causing so much turmoil that it completely derails the administration. I don't see how that could help Republicans in any way.

I do like General Kelly's (reportedly) statement to the team: The game of thrones style tit for tat attacks need to stop. But that's what happens when you put the Bannon camp in next to (what was) the Priebus camp next to the Kushner/ivanka camp.

Republicans in congress are getting dangerously close to having the same issue democrats have in congress. A lack of an identity with specific policies. Maybe they can 'right the ship' with some tax reforms.


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With a TV President more interested in the media and golf than he is his own job, leaking to the press is the only way to get things done. Perhaps in another Presidency, it is possible to get things done by actually talking to the President. But it is extremely clear from anybody looking at the situation: Trump simply does not listen to his advisors.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Zohar » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:51 pm UTC

Maybe they should have a filming studio at the white house the advisers can go to to "film" a news show that will then be presented to the Trump.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby freezeblade » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:11 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:Maybe they should have a filming studio at the white house the advisers can go to to "film" a news show that will then be presented to the Trump.


You know. That's actually a good idea, except that he'd likely treat it like a reality show that he is directing, so he'd keep firing people or changing the "news" to things he agrees with.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Chen » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:36 pm UTC

sardia wrote:NPR is saying Trump personally reviewed a fake news story to distract from the Russia news. http://www.npr.org/2017/08/01/540783715 ... news-story


Wow that's super misleading there. It's not even confirmed that he read it, and even if he did, there's no indication that the white house or anyone aside Butowsky and/or Zimmerman would have known it was fake at that time.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby ucim » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:26 pm UTC

Chen wrote:It's not even confirmed that he read it...
I think "reviewed" a fake news story isn't quite right. The article says: "The Fox News Channel and a wealthy supporter of President Trump worked in concert under the watchful eye of the White House to concoct a story about the death of a young Democratic National Committee aide, according to a lawsuit filed Tuesday." I'll wait for more confirmation, but you can concoct a fake story and decline to read it; the concoction is what has the effect. And while the White House may give Trump Sr. plausible deniability, the buck stops with him. He's responsible for what happens in the White House.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby trpmb6 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:39 pm UTC

The seth rich conspiracy started with Julian Assange when he made a veiled reference to it in tweets and a subsequent interview (though, the interview I believe was with Sean Hannity). I don't recall the specifics of the zimmerman article but the conspiracy itself certainly arose long before. Several reddit theories talking about Seth Rich way before that article ever came out. I'm not really sure what they are trying to say was "concocted" then. Pretty common practice for friendly publications to seek white house counsel on things. You're welcome to call it hypocritical if you want since Republicans blasted Democrats for shopping stories to various news agencies and the news agencies sending articles to Podesta and Mills for review prior to print.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Thesh » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:41 pm UTC

When you are talking about Fox News literally making up quotes to support the President, "both sides do it too" is complete and utter bullshit.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby morriswalters » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:42 pm UTC

Chen wrote:Wow that's super misleading there. It's not even confirmed that he read it, and even if he did, there's no indication that the white house or anyone aside Butowsky and/or Zimmerman would have known it was fake at that time.
Yeah, think of the lesson your getting in fake news and how it propagates. This guy is suing Fox. I hope he wins big. But he stinks as bad as the people he worked for. Salt , grain, take with.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby trpmb6 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:49 pm UTC

Thesh wrote:When you are talking about Fox News literally making up quotes to support the President, "both sides do it too" is complete and utter bullshit.


I really get tired of your antics.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby commodorejohn » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:06 pm UTC

trpmb6 wrote:
Thesh wrote:When you are talking about Fox News literally making up quotes to support the President, "both sides do it too" is complete and utter bullshit.

I really get tired of your antics.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Chen » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:15 pm UTC

Thesh wrote:When you are talking about Fox News literally making up quotes to support the President, "both sides do it too" is complete and utter bullshit.


Yes this is the key here. What I said was misleading is that Trump or the White House have anything to do with this. This was Butowsky and Zimmerman saying that Wheeler said things which he actually hadn't. And those things were pretty key in making the article authentic such as the link between the DNC aide and Wikileaks which doesn't appear to be substantiated by anyone. The White House reviewed the article (presumably as they review many articles) and it was after that, the whole wrong quoting that occurred.

I agree with Morris here that while Fox news definitely has responsibility here, Wheeler also did some pretty wrong things at their behest, according to that NPR article.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Zamfir » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:42 pm UTC

Pretty common practice for friendly publications to seek white house counsel on things.
'Things' is rather general. This is about a specific thing , namely spreading the rumour that the democratic party murders people.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby trpmb6 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:51 pm UTC

Zamfir wrote:
Pretty common practice for friendly publications to seek white house counsel on things.
'Things' is rather general. This is about a specific thing , namely spreading the rumour that the democratic party murders people.


I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Trump has alleged as much about the Clintons in the past via twitter and other mediums anyways...

Ah look, a washington post article on that very topic

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Soupspoon » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:18 pm UTC

trpmb6 wrote:I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Trump has alleged as much about the Clintons in the past via twitter and other mediums anyways...

Given the number of things that Trump has laid down as actions of his rivals that (whilst also having been reasonably dismissed as credible accusations) it turns out that the Trump camp, in turn, did... Almost as if at least half the madlib accusations are Trump's own repressed guilt making a Freudian escape into the wild wearing a different pelt... Well. It makes you think.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby KnightExemplar » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:20 pm UTC

trpmb6 wrote:
Zamfir wrote:
Pretty common practice for friendly publications to seek white house counsel on things.
'Things' is rather general. This is about a specific thing , namely spreading the rumour that the democratic party murders people.


I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Trump has alleged as much about the Clintons in the past via twitter and other mediums anyways...

Ah look, a washington post article on that very topic


Trump also alleged that Ted Cruz's father helped assassinate Kennedy and that Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya.

If Trump says something is true, it is almost certainly false. Trump spreads lies and distorts the media to get ahead. Other politicians engage in various levels of lies... but Trump's level of disruption and obfuscation is far beyond everyone else's. Don't believe a single word that Trump says.

I do realize you want to bring to account the Clinton's issues throughout the 90s. But seriously, don't quote Trump on the issue. It only breaks your argument. Just lay out the facts as they are. Citing Trump severely diminishes your argument due to the rarity that Trump is ever correct on an issue (and yes, sometimes Trump is right. A broken clock is correct twice a day after all...)

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sardia wrote:NPR is saying Trump personally reviewed a fake news story to distract from the Russia news. http://www.npr.org/2017/08/01/540783715 ... news-story


Wow that's super misleading there. It's not even confirmed that he read it, and even if he did, there's no indication that the white house or anyone aside Butowsky and/or Zimmerman would have known it was fake at that time.


Remember: this news "story" is basically posturing from the prosecutor. Any lawsuit today includes an element of media manipulation to set the baseline of the story. So read it with a grain of salt.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby ObsessoMom » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:13 pm UTC

So...um...in all the chaos of last week, Trump nominated the virulently anti-LGBT Sam Brownback as his "ambassador-at-large for international religious freedom." Hmmmm (warning, site has auto-loading video).

Newsweek wrote:Brownback, who served his state in the U.S. Senate before taking over as governor in 2011, is known for his staunch opposition to LGBT issues such as gay marriage, military service and transgender bathroom laws.

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While mounting a failed bid for the Republican presidential nomination in 2007, Brownback said he would back a possible constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Puppyclaws » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:30 pm UTC

trpmb6 wrote:I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Trump has alleged as much about the Clintons in the past via twitter and other mediums anyways...

Ah look, a washington post article on that very topic


So you agree Donald Trump and co. make up shit about their opponents being actual murderers on the regular, and Democrats do nothing of the kind? Because that's not the "both sides" line you were selling when you got angry at Thesh for 'antics'

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Aiwendil » Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:04 am UTC

Liri wrote:Semi-related, but Nate mentioned once again how obvious it is that Jared-Ivanka are the source of a lot of the palace intrigue leaks. Maybe I'm just not reading those articles? Because nothing lately has really jumped out at me.


I wasn't really sure what he keeps getting at with this either, but I think this recent article might be an example: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/3 ... ner-241149

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Liri » Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:22 am UTC

Aiwendil wrote:
Liri wrote:Semi-related, but Nate mentioned once again how obvious it is that Jared-Ivanka are the source of a lot of the palace intrigue leaks. Maybe I'm just not reading those articles? Because nothing lately has really jumped out at me.


I wasn't really sure what he keeps getting at with this either, but I think this recent article might be an example: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/3 ... ner-241149

Ooh, yeah, I see it. I hardly ever look at Politico.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby trpmb6 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:30 pm UTC

Puppyclaws wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Trump has alleged as much about the Clintons in the past via twitter and other mediums anyways...

Ah look, a washington post article on that very topic


So you agree Donald Trump and co. make up shit about their opponents being actual murderers on the regular, and Democrats do nothing of the kind? Because that's not the "both sides" line you were selling when you got angry at Thesh for 'antics'


The antics of Thesh's that I get annoyed with is how he forms his arguments. It's always combatant. It doesn't make for good discussion, irregardless if he is right or not.

And to be honest, I just like to play devil's advocate.


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