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Re: Trump presidency

Postby natraj » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:30 pm UTC

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CorruptUser wrote:Not Scalia's lead?
I know things can get a little partisan but that's uncalled for. Nobody here should be wishing death upon anyone because of politics.
yeah i mean it's totally fine that these people are CAUSING deaths en masse, we should anyway wish for long happy comfortable lives for them as they murder our friends and family

You have a knife in hand and a one-time chance to kill a supreme court judge of your choice, scot-free, no repercussions, no one will catch you. Do you do it?

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I hope not... There are plenty of ways to fight someone without wishing death upon them.


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anyway this isn't entirely hypothetical for me, clarence thomas is a close family friend. i still hope that for the good of the country he drops dead soon*, which is not the same thing as actively trying to murder him.

*not TOO soon or it's wasted. maybe in 2020 and meanwhile pray that the government has shifted before then.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Zohar » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:40 pm UTC

trpmb6 wrote:I'd actually be ok with that. When I was talking with friends earlier today (before he announced) I was working off the assumption that this would be something that wouldn't happen until january. We were trying to decide which side would get more fired up about it - and thus impact turnout.

If you think this makes sense, call your reps, tell them you're conservative and you agree with it.

Yablo wrote:As far as Justices stepping aside, I would personally very much appreciate it if Ginsburg would follow Kennedy's lead.

I bet you would.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:45 pm UTC

I don't think anyone here is actually hoping RBG follows Scalia's lead, possibly excepting the likes of Yablo and other fascists, but there are other judges whose (timely) deaths would absolutely be a good thing for literally millions of people.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby trpmb6 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:45 pm UTC

Yablo suggested having Ginsburg step down like Kennedy. I mean the quote is literally right there. So how you're interpreting it any different is beyond me.

Nataraj is suggesting that Thomas (apparently a close family friend) drop dead.

This is the kind of rhetoric that got Steve Scalise shot.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:02 pm UTC

Yes, thinking the world would be a better place without a particular person in it probably figures into a lot of attempted and completed murders.

That doesn't mean such thinking is never true, nor does such thinking imply a wish for someone to be murdered.

In addition, there's a categorical difference between things like "The world would be a better place if Hitler dropped dead" and things like "The world would be a better place if everyone but Aryans dropped dead."
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby natraj » Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:37 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote: In addition, there's a categorical difference between things like "The world would be a better place if Hitler dropped dead" and things like "The world would be a better place if everyone but Aryans dropped dead."


yeah, this. i know our resident favor apologist thinks that they're making some kind of compelling point by demonizing these sentiments but they really aren't. this idea is a fiction put forward by the sort of people for whom politics is ENTIRELY a fiction; something you can politely debate in the hypothetical but it's never really going to mean that you and your family die because of these decisions.

but for many of us it isn't a fiction, and our families do, in fact, suffer and die as a direct result of the actions of the same people you press us to be civil to.

you think you're on some kind of higher moral ground, but in practice the only thing you are saying is "i value the lives of these individuals more than the thousands of lives they're destroying, and so should you."
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:42 pm UTC

Back to "Trump's views on immigration are trash and if you support them you're trash too" news, here are some of the problems with the Goodlatte bill Trump thinks should be passed:

@matt_cam wrote:The horrific #Goodlatte #immigration bill soon up for debate isn't something to be "compromised" with. It's a harsh, intentional, irrevocable shift Trumpward.

Shred it.

Burn the ashes.

Scatter them upon the Antarctic plains.

Here are just a few of many reasons.

(1) CRIMINALIZATION of unlawful presence in the United States: White supremacy writ into law. For past 228 years, simply *being in U.S.* w/o permission was a civil offense w/no consequence other than deportation.
(NB: This was quickly rejected in 2005, but much more likely now)

(2) ONE HUNDRED THIRTY BILLION UNITED STATES TAXPAYER DOLLARS to fully militarize the Mexican border.

Even @Heritage, which otherwise mostly likes the bill, balked at this as "hard to justify." You don't say.

(3) ENDING FAMILY IMMIGRATION TO THE UNITED STATES.

Current law allows U.S. citizens to request greencards for parents, adult children, & siblings. This bill would not only end that, but effectively CANCEL NEARLY ALL pending family visas. How do you "compromise" with that?


(4) ALLOWING SAME BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT TO DEFINE, DETAIN, AND DEPORT "GANG MEMBERS" W/OUT DUE PROCESS

The feds would be able to designate anyone as a gang member without evidence, hold them without bail, and deny them all future immigration options. This is terrifying.


5/ PERMANENT LIMBO & RESTRICTED RIGHTS FOR #DREAMERS

The #Goodlatte bill is not a "DACA fix." (Media: *please push back on this language*) It's a permanent state of "contingent non-immigrant status," renewable every 3 yrs, with international travel restricted to 15 days per trip


(6) JAILING AND DEPORTING CHILDREN

Most immigrant children are given special due process & other protections under current law. This bill would remove those protections, severely restrict #SpecialImmigrantJuvenile visa protections, & let #ICE jail & deport children much faster

(7) PERMANENTLY BARRING APPOINTED COUNSEL FROM #IMMIGRATIONCOURTS

Under current law, non-citizens are not given attorneys in #ImmigrationCourt and only have right to counsel "at no expense to the Government." This would bar any funding for any future appointed counsel system.

(8) SEVERELY RESTRICTING #ASYLUM RIGHTS

Current law gives asylum seekers an informal "credible fear interview"--in detention, in haste, usually w/o an attorney--w/an asylum officer to screen claims. This bill would make these much harder to pass, and deport many w/real claims.
(9) DEPORTING #ASYLUM SEEKERS OF ALL NATIONALITIES TO MEXICO

The international terrorists many #CentralAmerican asylum seekers are trying to flee thrive safely in Mexico. This bill would declare Mexico "safe" & permit us to deport asylum seekers there without Mexico's consent.

To that last point: Despite popular belief, the majority of people presently crossing the southern border are not from Mexico, but #CentralAmerica. As of now, Mexico is far from a "safe third country" and the same criminal gangs are operating with impunity there. (See below)

What kind of person would support the fascist excess of the #Goodlatte #SecuringAmericasFutureAct?

Let's start here: they believe that allowing 6-year-olds to have a non-adversarial interview to save them the trauma of appearing before a judge in a courtroom is a "loophole."

#Goodlatte says that (in direct contradiction to U.S. history & values) #immigration should be solely defined by net worth & earning potential, & that U.S. citizens should have to spend the rest of their lives in this country without their parents, adult children, and siblings

Anyone supporting #SecuringAmericasFutureAct is signing on to "solving" Trump-created crisis of children being taken from parents at the border by.... detaining & deporting the children alone ASAP. This is like "curing" cancer via mass execution of terminal cancer patients.
Rep. #Goodlatte, author of the #SecuringAmericasFutureAct, believes that keeping families together is a "random need" which should not be a consideration for our nation's immigration policy.

Has Trump really debased "family values" voters *this* badly?

#RepublicanFamilyValues

#SecuringAmericasFutureAct would massively explode mass detention of children, asylum seekers, and many others facing #deportation. This is a feature, not a bug. It is a gift to the Republican party's generous donors in the private prison industry.

Private prisons back Trump and could see big payoffs with new policies
Private prison companies, which stand to make big gains under President Trump’s tough new immigration orders, also have contributed big sums to pro-Trump groups, including the organization that raise…
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... /98300394/
My worst fear of the Trump era: #GOP rushing something like #SecuringAmericasFuture before #BlueWave2018 & calling it #ImmigrationReform.

Oh, and that mystery "compromise" bill up against #SecuringAmericasFuture?

I'll risk it all on this hot pre-take:

It will also be bad.
But you know what *could* pass right now?

The #DREAMAct.

#DREAM has the Congressional votes, the bipartisan (~8/10 Americans!) popular support, and the moral and demographic urgency at a time when we desperately need a young US-educated workforce.

#Basta!

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Yablo » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:40 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:I don't think anyone here is actually hoping RBG follows Scalia's lead, possibly excepting the likes of Yablo and other fascists, but there are other judges whose (timely) deaths would absolutely be a good thing for literally millions of people.

Two points:
  • First, I'm no fascist, and your calling me one is ridiculous. Please don't.
  • Second, I absolutely don't hope Ginsburg dies. I hope she retires. I said Kennedy, not Scalia.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:46 pm UTC

Yablo wrote:First, I'm no fascist, and your calling me one is ridiculous. Please don't.
Defending fascist policy pretty much makes you a fascist.

Second, I absolutely don't hope Ginsburg dies. I hope she retires. I said Kennedy, not Scalia.
Right, but I think the point of CU's response was to ask if you might actually prefer if she died, not to say CU hoped she died.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby eran_rathan » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:09 pm UTC

Yablo wrote:First, I'm no fascist, and your calling me one is ridiculous. Please don't.


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Re: Trump presidency

Postby mcd001 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:22 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:Defending fascist policy pretty much makes you a fascist.

Says the totalitarian leftist. This post reaffirms what is becoming more apparent every day: 'fascist' is a word the left uses to mean 'someone I disagree with'. Along with the term 'racist', it has lost any connection to it's historical meaning.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Yablo » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:23 pm UTC

eran_rathan wrote:
Yablo wrote:First, I'm no fascist, and your calling me one is ridiculous. Please don't.


"I'm not a Nazi, but I think their Germany First stance is just what this country needs!"

Whatever. You're both wrong, but at least gmalivuk's way of stating it makes a reasoned point and doesn't make him seem like a dick.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:25 pm UTC

mcd001 wrote:
gmalivuk wrote:Defending fascist policy pretty much makes you a fascist.

Says the totalitarian leftist. This post reaffirms what is becoming more apparent every day: 'fascist' is a word the left uses to mean 'someone I disagree with'. Along with the term 'racist', it has lost any connection to it's historical meaning.

They're literally building concentration camps for Latinx immigrants, fuckwit.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby eran_rathan » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:38 pm UTC

Yablo wrote:
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Yablo wrote:First, I'm no fascist, and your calling me one is ridiculous. Please don't.


"I'm not a Nazi, but I think their Germany First stance is just what this country needs!"

Whatever. You're both wrong, but at least gmalivuk's way of stating it makes a reasoned point and doesn't make him seem like a dick.



I'm perfectly happy being called a dick by people who support actual fascists.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Yablo » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:43 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:They're literally building concentration camps for Latinx immigrants, fuckwit.

If you mean "concentration camp" in the literal sense - a place to concentrate and contain people - then, you're close. That sort of concentration camp is being built because the other sort (jail) causes problems for families. And before you throw the word fascist around some more, no, I don't like the idea of children being separated from parents.

If, however, you mean "concentration camp" in the Nazi Germany sense (as I suspect you do), there is NO comparison. You and everyone else here should be very careful equating anything the Nazis did with what's happening today. The Nazis did FAR worse to FAR more people, and equating the two does a terrible disservice to everyone who survived the Nazi camps, everyone with a friend or family member who did so, and every American with whom you disagree on illegal immigration but who has his or her heart in the right place.
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Re: Trump presidency

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby mcd001 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:49 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:They're literally building concentration camps for Latinx immigrants, fuckwit.

Profanity aside, thank you for making my point. Any country, regardless of its type of government, will try to control who crosses its borders. The measures the United States is currently taking to stem the influx of aliens entering illegally have nothing to do with fascism (a political philosophy characterized by authoritarian views and a strong central government). I understand you don't like those measures, hence your use of the term 'fascist' which clearly translates to 'something I disagree with.'

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:55 pm UTC

mcd001 wrote:
gmalivuk wrote:They're literally building concentration camps for Latinx immigrants, fuckwit.

Profanity aside, thank you for making my point. Any country, regardless of its type of government, will try to control who crosses its borders. The measures the United States is currently taking to stem the influx of aliens entering illegally have nothing to do with fascism (a political philosophy characterized by authoritarian views and a strong central government). I understand you don't like those measures, hence your use of the term 'fascist' which clearly translates to 'something I disagree with.'

The methods are authoritarian and nationalistic (i.e. fascist), so it's not simply the fact that I disagree with them that lends itself to the label.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Yablo » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:01 pm UTC


Not exactly a news flash, and while that was definitely a bad thing, it was still nothing like what the Nazis were doing.

During internment (also called incarceration), families worked, studied, and lived their lives in the barracks-like living quarters of the relocation centers, which were alternately labeled "relocation camps," "concentration camps," or "evacuation centers." These camps, some of which housed approximately 8,000 people, functioned as communities. The government provided medical care, schools, and food, and adults often held camp jobs — in food service, agriculture, medical clinics, as teachers, and other jobs required for daily life."
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby arbiteroftruth » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:02 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:
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gmalivuk wrote:They're literally building concentration camps for Latinx immigrants, fuckwit.

Profanity aside, thank you for making my point. Any country, regardless of its type of government, will try to control who crosses its borders. The measures the United States is currently taking to stem the influx of aliens entering illegally have nothing to do with fascism (a political philosophy characterized by authoritarian views and a strong central government). I understand you don't like those measures, hence your use of the term 'fascist' which clearly translates to 'something I disagree with.'

The methods are authoritarian and nationalistic (i.e. fascist), so it's not simply the fact that I disagree with them that lends itself to the label.


Sure, but that's trivially true of any program that uses the force of government power (authoritarian) to do anything specifically in service of the nation rather than people in general or the world at large (nationalistic). It's like calling every government owned service "socialized <whatever>". Sure, it might technically be a justifiable label, but it's silly to treat it as tantamount to being 'socialist' in any general sense. Same same for calling something 'fascist' on the basis that it's nationalistic.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby mcd001 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:06 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:The methods are authoritarian and nationalistic (i.e. fascist)

But the enforcement of any laws in any country in the World are of necessity 'authoritarian'. By your definition, *all* countries are therefore fascist. As for conflating 'nationalistic' with 'fascist', that also only works if 'fascist' means 'something I don't like'.

Sorry, but you come across as a petulant child who didn't get your way.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby trpmb6 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:14 pm UTC

Vietnamese refugee camps

I sit one cube away from a guy who stayed in one of these camps when he was a kid. When I worked for another company I worked with his cousin whose parents were there. I know their stories. Kansas has quite a large Vietnamese population - a lot of them work in the aviation industry. Most of the parents who came to kansas found work as mechanics / production floor workers. A lot of their kids are now engineers at the same companies. Very cool story. They also happen to be very conservative people.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:26 pm UTC

They're putting children in prison camps for misdemeanors their parents committed. That's fascist and I'm about to just start handing out bans for the apologists defending it.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby trpmb6 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:36 pm UTC

Well.... They weren't putting them in the detention centers with the parents until you guys started complaining about them being taken out and placed with other family or in the care of the HHS/CPS per the Flores agreement...
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:39 pm UTC

No sure if "fascist" is the right adjective. It's needlessly cruel, but in itself isn't blind obedience to the orders of the Oompa-Loompanfuhrer, except for perhaps from the ICE agents themselves who are doing something this vile simply because they are following orders and ok, yeah, it's pretty fascist.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:42 pm UTC

trpmb6 wrote:Well.... They weren't putting them in the detention centers with the parents until you guys started complaining about them being taken out and placed with other family or in the care of the HHS/CPS per the Flores agreement...

They were being put in special camps for toddlers. Are you saying that was better?
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby ucim » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:44 pm UTC

It's a process. We are not there yet. But the motion is clearly in that direction.

From Wikipedia (sidebar):

Core tenets [of Fascism]

Nationalism (check)
Totalitarianism (watch Trump's power grabs closely, including the claims that he can pardon himself. Consider the role of social media surveillance.)
Anti-democratic thought (voter suppression, undermining faith in election results)
One-party state (could we gerrymander our way into this?)
Personality cult (check)
Dictatorship (watch how well Trump has gotten The Party behind him, and consider how his lies are different from other politicians' lies - Other politicians lie because truth is important and they want you to buy into their version of it. Trump lies to undermine the very idea that truth matters, since he's going to do {whatever} anyway.)
Militarism (check)
Direct action (check. If the zero-tolerance detainment policies aren't this, especially in the light of other better alternatives, I don't know what is.)
Mixed economy (I don't know how this is relevant)
Class collaboration (check)
Third Position (I don't think so)
New Man (doesn't seem to be prominent)
Imperialism (wait for it)
Social order (White. Male. Christian.)

We are clearly not there yet, but neither was Germany in the late 1930s. It took a few years. We still have a few years.

But we need to stop it without becoming fascists ourselves.

gmalivuk wrote:That's fascist and I'm about to just start handing out bans for the apologists defending it.
See italics above. And distinguish between defending fascist actions, and attacking bad reasoning relating to fascist actions. If we are to defeat fascism we need the right actions, and the right actions do not come from bad reasoning.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby trpmb6 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:52 pm UTC

And per the Flores agreement the government had 20 days to place them.

You are the one drawing a hardline of - it must be a completely open border - anything beyond that is fascism to you.
The other side of the spectrum is - completely closed border, nobody comes in.

Right now we're somewhere in the middle and discussing the semantics of what is a humane way of treating these people respectfully but also enforcing existing laws as passed by congress.

You're mad because Trump is being tougher on the enforcement side. Tougher than predecessors.

But even with predecessors children were held in camps - when they were unaccompanied minors - until HHS could place them with family or a foster. There is just logistics involved that make that the easiest way to accommodate - you can't have unaccompanied minors wandering around rio grande valley in 105 degree heat with literally nothing to their name.

I could go on but it doesn't really matter you're just going to start banning people anyways so you can silence the opinions of those you disagree with politically.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Yablo » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:55 pm UTC

ucim wrote:It's a process. We are not there yet. But the motion is clearly in that direction.

We may be moving that direction, but I don't agree that's the destination, whether intentional or unintentional.

This part, however ...
See italics above. And distinguish between defending fascist actions, and attacking bad reasoning relating to fascist actions. If we are to defeat fascism we need the right actions, and the right actions do not come from bad reasoning.

... is well-stated, and I completely agree with it.
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Postby gmalivuk » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:57 pm UTC

trpmb6 wrote:And per the Flores agreement the government had 20 days to place them.

You are the one drawing a hardline of - it must be a completely open border - anything beyond that is fascism to you.
The other side of the spectrum is - completely closed border, nobody comes in.

Right now we're somewhere in the middle and discussing the semantics of what is a humane way of treating these people respectfully but also enforcing existing laws as passed by congress.

You're mad because Trump is being tougher on the enforcement side. Tougher than predecessors.

But even with predecessors children were held in camps - when they were unaccompanied minors - until HHS could place them with family or a foster. There is just logistics involved that make that the easiest way to accommodate - you can't have unaccompanied minors wandering around rio grande valley in 105 degree heat with literally nothing to their name.

I could go on but it doesn't really matter you're just going to start banning people anyways so you can silence the opinions of those you disagree with politically.
We've already been over, repeatedly, the distance between fascism and open borders. Repeating that those are the only alternatives, and then arguing against open borders, is defending kiddie koncentration kamps, which is why you've been banned.
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Postby CorruptUser » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:00 pm UTC

Yablo wrote:
ucim wrote:It's a process. We are not there yet. But the motion is clearly in that direction.

We may be moving that direction, but I don't agree that's the destination, whether intentional or unintentional.


I know, right? We are heading for a country that only looks and acts and has the same living standards and civil liberties as a fascist police state, but it'd be terrible that people confused it with a fascist police state.

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Postby ucim » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:05 pm UTC

trpmb6 wrote:You're mad because Trump is being tougher on the enforcement side.
Well, I'm mad because he's being crueler, not tougher. There's a difference. There's a gleeful unnecessary cruelty to the way he's doing what he's doing. It is unnecessarily costing families their integrity, unnecessarily costing taxpayers huge amounts of money, and will have the result of a clusterfuck so that he can say "immigration is a clusterfuck".

There is no need for immigration camps. Giving people legal council and asking them to return for their hearing works. Something like 90% effective. But it wouldn't make a clusterfuck, and that is Trump's goal. It's not being "tough", it's being cruel.

Yablo wrote:We may be moving that direction, but I don't agree that's the destination, whether intentional or unintentional.
It bears close watching. Were we to arrive there, the consequences would be utterly horrible.

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Postby gmalivuk » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:09 pm UTC

To be clear, whether or not you agree with calling the family separation or indefinite detention policies fascist, defending them, such as by saying they're necessary to securing our borders or are a reasonable response to a misdemeanor, is not something I'm going to tolerate any more.
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Postby Sableagle » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:12 pm UTC

"We are 43°4'13" N, 79°1'57" W and travelling WNW, but I don't agree that we're heading for the top of Niagara Falls." - someone who thinks he's flying

"I may not agree with what the Hitler Youth are doing, but I will fight to the death to defend their right to do it." - Oswald Moseley fan but not a fascist
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Postby Yablo » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:20 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:"We are 43°4'13" N, 79°1'57" W and travelling WNW, but I don't agree that we're heading for the top of Niagara Falls." - someone who thinks he's flying


Or, closer to my point: "Untie from the dock and head toward that island on the horizon. We'll go a little way out, and the fishing should be good. Just don't go too far out, and watch your course, 'cause if we end up beached on that island, we're all screwed."
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:22 pm UTC

...yeah no. I don't think Hitler Youth get to make a freeze peach argument. When you call for the restriction on the rights of others, and not only that but take actions that directly or indirectly restrict the rights of others, you don't get to say it's free speech.

To use the old "neighborhood potluck" description, typical everyday speech is mashed potatoes where no one is offended except for perhaps someone with some strange hatred of spuds, but that person has to learn to just eat something else if they don't like it. Some sort of extremely spicy curry is your shock art or nudism, and shouldn't necessarily be illegal per se so long as people reasonably know what it is. Some might be offended at having any form of meat on the table, and while they are allowed to have a separate potluck elsewhere they don't get to prevent the whole neighborhood from eating meat. While others have described fascism as the guy putting dog shit on the table, I'd say it's more that fascism is more the guy that's trying to prevent some others from being allowed to eat at all. In such a case, you kick that guy out and don't let him eat with you, and ignore any of his complaints about how you are the "real" fascist because you won't let him eat.

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Postby addams » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:44 pm UTC

Argh....The religious 'leaders' give him multiple maligns.
He is a walking taking example of The Seven Deadly Sins.
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Sex with Playboy Bunnies, Models and Porn Stars while married.

2.Gluttony
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Stuffs his face in public and in bed.

3. Greed
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U-Tube will give you multiple examples of him bragging about how Greedy he is.

4. Sloth
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Work? whatever he is doing, it might work, it is Not work.

5. Wrath
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Easily angered and vengeful; It is part of his brand.

6. Envy
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"They have a Military Parade. I Want A military Parade!"

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Postby SecondTalon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:01 pm UTC

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby SecondTalon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:57 pm UTC

mcd001 wrote:
gmalivuk wrote:They're literally building concentration camps for Latinx immigrants, fuckwit.

Profanity aside, thank you for making my point. Any country, regardless of its type of government, will try to control who crosses its borders. The measures the United States is currently taking to stem the influx of aliens entering illegally have nothing to do with fascism (a political philosophy characterized by authoritarian views and a strong central government). I understand you don't like those measures, hence your use of the term 'fascist' which clearly translates to 'something I disagree with.'

Wikipedia wrote:Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce,




Bye, Felicia Fascist. You can get your SB and N&A rights back if you write me an essay comparing and contrasting Trump's policies and rhetoric with Mussolini, Hitler, Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin. Because you need to understand words if you're gonna be throwin' them around, and you ... don't
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby SecondTalon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:10 pm UTC

ucim wrote:
Zohar wrote:Mod voice would be red, that was not red text.
Yes, I know about red text. But when a person makes a threat, veiled or otherwise, that they can actually carry out, that's different from a person making a threat that they are powerless to carry out. For me to say "you'd better find another forum" is ignorable. For a mod to say it, it carries enough weight of red text no matter the color it's written in, because it can be followed up in red text. Or, as gmal says ("Though I may just skip the step of saying anything about it first"), even without it.

So, I wanted explicitly to know whether or not I was being threatened.

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Yes. This is me, as a mod, saying that if you're completely cool with separating families and indefinitely detaining people seeking asylum from shitty situations in their home nations seeking protection in the US - the nation that also probably caused the problem in the first place but fuck it, you gotta pass through to get to Canada - then yes, it would be entirely preferable for you to discontinue posting in political threads as continuation of posting is almost certainly going to end with those rights being revoked for the forums where such discussion takes place if not the forum as a whole. (This also includes ICE being able to detain and deport without due process. Fuck "It hasn't gone before the Supreme Court" - Fifth and Fourteenth. Due Process. Everyone gets it.)

If this is somehow radical, please find something - anything - to help with this. As suggestions, may I suggest classes on Ethics, Religion, the concept of "a heart and soul", or basic human decency.

Quibble about the details, sure. But not the indefinite detainment and separation of family units - then declaring said children unaccompanied.

And if your only argument is "Democrats did it too!" please find another universe to occupy. I sincerely apologize for not demanding Barak "Captain Dronestrike" Obama stop something I was unaware of when I was busy trying to get him to knock off the shit I knew about. Not stopping shit when it's happening is objectively worse than stopping shit after it's happened for a while and things have to start somewhere, blah blah blah, why are shitty border conditions one of Obama's achievements that Trump isn't trying to undo?
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