Agreed. Control is the means that is used.Tyndmyr wrote:[...]control isn't really an end goal, I think. It may be a necessary means for other goals, such as the protecting from one another, but controlling the populace probably shouldn't be a governmental goal.
Yeah, this is my point. The economy is a tool used in pursuit of the primary purpose of promoting the general welfare.Tyndmyr wrote:The government isn't out to make a profit for itself, really. However, the economy as a whole is at least somewhat managed by government. Or by the Fed, which is quasi-governmental. The lines are blurry in practice...
But Best Buy still exists because, as a tribe it can make more money with bigger and better stores than you could by yourself. That is its purpose. As a consequence, it can offer you a job.Tyndmyr wrote:I've never gotten a job because I had a deep and abiding need to join the Best Buy tribe.
It's not about tribal sentiment, it's about the benefits of working together as a group.Tyndmyr wrote:A few businesses might invoke some sort of tribal sentiment, but...
No, it's not. And in any case, many costs are also non-monetary. When your Pinto burns your sister to death in a fender bender, is that a monetary cost? Sure, there is lost income and such, and yes, insurance companies have to put numbers on it, and yes the car company figured a few (other) people burning to death was worth saving a few bucks a car, but those numbers don't really reflect your loss, or the loss to her friends.Tyndmyr wrote:Looking at costs is very similar to looking at benefits
Or do you think they really do?
So, misery is an additional cost, besides the loss of purchasing power and salary and such? I wonder why some people might value it more than others... wouldn't that imply that misery isn't something that is "objectively measurable in cold hard cash"?Tyndmyr wrote:Personally, I don't need the money enough to embrace misery. [...] If you find absolutely nobody willing to accept it, that would be a clue that you may have misvalued the costs.
As I said earlier, not everything is reducible to money.
And like your own evaluation of whether or not you'd take the Xarthian, I don't think this country needs the money enough to embrace the misery of destroying the environment, destroying our alliances, destroying the rule of law, rejecting science wholesale, and destroying the idea that truth even matters any more, in order to get a few more euros in our piggy bank (which we'll end up spending to buy bombs in order to protect us from our angry friends).