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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Zohar » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:50 pm UTC

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby addams » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:50 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:Yeah, you're right... Sorry I helped drag the thread off-topic a couple of times.

In on topic news, the Queen may have just had a dig at Trump through the medium of brooches.
Oh! My!!
Three Times!

No.
Nothing The Queen wears is by coincidence.

1. A Personal Gift from Mr. and Mrs. Obama.
2. A token of deep morning. (sniff..)
3. The "I don't wanna." outfit.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Quercus » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:18 pm UTC

addams wrote:
Quercus wrote:Yeah, you're right... Sorry I helped drag the thread off-topic a couple of times.

In on topic news, the Queen may have just had a dig at Trump through the medium of brooches.
Oh! My!!
Three Times!

No.
Nothing The Queen wears is by coincidence.

1. A Personal Gift from Mr. and Mrs. Obama.
2. A token of deep morning. (sniff..)
3. The "I don't wanna." outfit.
Spoiler:
Bows to the Queen and her people


I don't know if the article mentions it, but there was also an extra special brooch from Canada in the mix. Given recent diplomatic relations between the US and Canada that might be significant. It was also in the form of a snowflake, but it might be a bit of a stretch to assume the Queen knows about the "special snowflake" meme and its connection with anti-trump protest.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby LaserGuy » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:01 pm UTC

LOL
Trump backpedals hard after Russia press-conference disaster. Claims he "misspoke".

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby freezeblade » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:21 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:Claims he "misspoke".

There's not nearly enough eyeroll in the :roll: emote to express how much I rolled my eyes at that statement.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Quercus » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:27 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote: Claims he "misspoke".


Better than claiming that his own interview in the Sun about the UK visit was "fake news". Link

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Pfhorrest » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:00 pm UTC

I find myself laughing awkwardly at the line about "the good old recording instrument". You mean... a camera? A microphone? What is "the good old recording instrument"!?
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby addams » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:05 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:
addams wrote:
Quercus wrote:Yeah, you're right... Sorry I helped drag the thread off-topic a couple of times.

In on topic news, the Queen may have just had a dig at Trump through the medium of brooches.
Oh! My!!
Three Times!

No.
Nothing The Queen wears is by coincidence.

1. A Personal Gift from Mr. and Mrs. Obama.
2. A token of deep morning. (sniff..)
3. The "I don't wanna." outfit.
Spoiler:
Bows to the Queen and her people


I don't know if the article mentions it, but there was also an extra special brooch from Canada in the mix. Given recent diplomatic relations between the US and Canada that might be significant. It was also in the form of a snowflake, but it might be a bit of a stretch to assume the Queen knows about the "special snowflake" meme and its connection with anti-trump protest.
Oh, Gasp!
I'm so sorry.

I forgot to list the Canadian Snowflake.
Yes, the Queen wore a brooch that was a gift from Canada.
I did not read about the shape. A Snowflake is a nice touch.

I'd bet it is a pretty thing.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxhist=0
I think That may be It.
Yep. It is pretty.

Ugh....I listened to him from our White House.
What a creep. He said, "I don't know Why they would."
He has changed it to, "I don't know Why they wouldn't."

Argh....Most eleven year old boys are more graceful in their duplicity.
Pfhorrest wrote:I find myself laughing awkwardly at the line about "the good old recording instrument". You mean... a camera? A microphone? What is "the good old recording instrument"!?
A secretary with a notepad?
Like the one that SHOULD have been in that two hour meeting between him and his Boss.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby addams » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:07 pm UTC

Oops....
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Dauric » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:29 pm UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:I find myself laughing awkwardly at the line about "the good old recording instrument". You mean... a camera? A microphone? What is "the good old recording instrument"!?


Clearly it's the technical breakthrough of a phonograph paired with a daguerreotype camera...
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby addams » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:50 pm UTC

Dauric wrote:Clearly it's the technical breakthrough of a phonograph paired with a daguerreotype camera...
My first thought was a wax cylinder.
Unlike Trump, I didn't 'go' with my first thought.
Do you think he is going with his first thoughts?
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Thesh » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:38 am UTC

Trump opens his mouth again, allowing the lies to escape:

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 52041.html


Now, in a statement to the press on Tuesday, Trump wrongly stated that the honour bestowed upon him was one that had not been carried out for decades - which is untrue.

He said: "We met with the queen, who is absolutely a terrific person, where she reviewed her Honour Guard for the first time in 70 years, they tell me. We walked in front of the Honour Guard and that was very inspiring to see and be with her. And I think the relationship, I can truly say is a good one. But she was very, very inspiring indeed."

The Queen actually inspects her Honour Guard many times a year and does so for important events such as visiting heads of state.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby addams » Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:28 am UTC

well....It's been a Long Time sense she did it the way Trump did.
What a klutz. The only thing he did Right was Not shove her.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tyndmyr » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:01 pm UTC

On second thought, spoilered all the philosophy talk. It's interesting, but agreed that it's getting off topic.

Spoiler:
CorruptUser wrote:
Thesh wrote:So, slavery was right because a majority agreed with it?


But a majority didn't agree with it so much as viewed it as a 'necessary evil', and I'm fairly certain the slaves themselves didn't agree to it. However, if a majority did agree to it, then yeah, it'd be "right" just as the overwhelming majority of people are opposed to it today therefore it's "wrong".


Right is not the same as popular. I agree that both popularity and force are helpful if you want to get something accepted as right, but it's a strange system of morals that holds them as equal.

Additionally, slavery was viewed often not merely as a necessary evil, but the right and proper way of doing things. Ridiculous levels of justification to explain this were involved, but let's not sugar coat the past. The popularly accepted wisdom has changed, but slavery was never right, nor was it even a necessary evil. In almost every era in which slavery has existed, other countries have not embraced slavery, and done pretty alright. Even if we take your sugar coated justification, I don't think it holds up.

gmalivuk wrote:Edit: Also, can you point me to where anyone but you talked about trespassing? My understanding of the point was that however the lone guy on the alternate track got there, he's already in a dangerous place with a generally understood risk of possibly being hit by a trolley. Someone taking a nap and someone on a bridge over the track, on the other hand, are in safe places without said risk.


The point is that be it trespassing or whatever, that's not what the scenario is about. Usually, you don't even describe how or why the people are there. So, the fact that they're in a dangerous place isn't of moral weight. Unless you're given additional information, it's merely a part of the construct.

CorruptUser wrote:Nihilism isn't the idea that nothing is moral or immoral and therefore we should be destructive, but the recognition that morality is created from Man rather than divinely woven into the fabric of the universe. And as morals are man-made, Man has the right to decide what those morals should be, and what those morals should be should be the morals that produce the society we want to live in.


So, if say, 90% of people decide it is moral to execute 10% and take their shit every year(perhaps we'll call it a purge night), and love the results of that society, you would call that moral?

Look, morals are not merely man-made. I don't hold to any sort of religious origin, but they are constrained by logic and self consistency. This does still allow a number of potential moral systems, but it's far, far short of whatever happens to be popular.

I think it's reasonable to consider outcomes when judging societies, but that one ought to strive for more objective measures. Folks enjoying society is nice...but it is not sufficient to make your society moral. In the above example, which is ludicrously dysfunctional, you might well get great reviews, because of survivor bias. You're not polling the dead. It's still horrifically immoral.

Note that moral nihilism isn't the belief that there is no such thing morality, only that the laws of morality are not like the laws of physics, in that they are not inherent in the universe.


Why not? Math is derived from the relationships of entities in the universe. Morality is largely concerned with relationships as well...of a different type, certainly, but morality isn't universe-independent. In another universe in which all the rules were arbitrarily different, who knows what kind of morality would make sense?


As for current events, well, yes, Trump said a number of stupid things. That's about par for him, but I'm uncertain as to the resulting fallout from it. Are they dumb enough to shake his base? Eh...maybe. The right traditionally are not fans of Russia. But then, the traditional republican sorts already disliked Trump, so I'm not sure it'll matter.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Thesh » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:19 pm UTC

Republicans have been warming up to Russia since Trump. The anti-LGBT laws, strong anti-Muslim leader, and ruthless support of capitalism are pretty much exactly what they want from the US, anyway. The alt-right is already on board with Russia and the US leading the world towards a white nationalist paradise, which the religious-right would happily go along with. All that leaves are the centrists, which fishhook theory correctly predicts are just apologists for the far-right.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gmalivuk » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:23 pm UTC

Yeah, Republican opinions on Russia and Putin have gotten significantly more favorable since 2016.

https://politics.stackexchange.com/ques ... -on-russia

http://www.gallup.com/poll/204191/putin ... icans.aspx
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:29 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:Yeah, Republican opinions on Russia and Putin have gotten significantly more favorable since 2016.

https://politics.stackexchange.com/ques ... -on-russia

This is a specific case of a more general trend. Any president can change the opinion of another country by advocating for it. For example, Cuba and maybe Iran rose in the opinion polls after Obama pushed them to the Cuba deal, and Iran deal. I can't recall if it's a partisanship bias, you do and think as the party wants because unity is good, or if it's the power of the bully pulpit.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tyndmyr » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:30 pm UTC

Yeah, it's the centrist view I'm mostly thinking of. Some of them are making angry noises, but...they didn't really love Trump beforehand. So, other than a few loud words, will anything change? They gonna hold up appointments or what not?

My bet's a no. They might be grumbly, but ultimately they'll go along for pragmatic reasons same as before, and Trump doesn't lose support in meaningful ways.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Mutex » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:13 pm UTC

Even though this is an actual news channel posting this, and the video doesn't really look like it was faked, I'm having trouble absorbing the idea this is real.

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status ... 8216688641

Trump, while talking about apprenticeships, suddenly realises the connection between the title of his show "The Apprentice", and apprenticeships. Apparently he never joined the dots before.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Zohar » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:15 pm UTC

It is unbelievable how stupid this man is.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby addams » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:43 pm UTC

Is anyone else frustrated with Congress?

While Dip-Shit is playing Reality Show Host,
U.S. governance functions are being shut down.

Yes. Pruitt is gone.
The damage he did will linger.
https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060079035
About Reggie Allen of the EPA:
Democratic lawmakers identified him in a letter yesterday to Pruitt, saying a Trump EPA political appointee, Kevin Chmielewski, told them that when Allen refused to authorize some of Pruitt's spending, "his responsibilities were removed."
Pruitt is, just, so Trumpian!
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/ ... epa-698084

Deep Breath;
ok...Geo-Politics is complicated.
Russia has a small economy.

She wants a larger economy and a larger 'say' in the World.
Russia has a few advantages. As the world warms, she gets better ports.

Russia is Huge!
Russia's air space is valuable.

Here is a little clip that explains some of the details.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdNDYBt9e_U

Russia can defend its airspace.
That goes without saying. Right?
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Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17)[a] was a scheduled passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down on 17 July 2014 while flying over eastern Ukraine, killing all 283 passengers and 15 crew on board.
"it wasn't drunken militants with Ukrainian passports [who shot down the Malaysian plane], it was done by Russian professionals and coordinated from Russia",
If we are going to chat about what choices a President makes,
We should think about the kinds of things a President must, at least, a little.

umm....The U.s. has an unfair about of airspace.
But, we were The Good Guys. (shrug...)
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gd1 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:52 am UTC

I was watching the move Elysium and thought that if we don't do something we may end up in that sort of scenario except that Delacourt will be president for life from the get go.

Though to be fair/in the interest of full disclosure, religiously, I feel like Allah is going to do a board wipe long before we get to that point.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby addams » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:25 am UTC

Oh, come on!
I think most of that is in the Wrong Thread.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gd1 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:10 am UTC

addams wrote:Oh, come on!
I think most of that is in the Wrong Thread.

Okay, when I wake up tomorrow I'll make another thread or something and move the parts below board wipe.

In my defense, your poems made me do it.

Edit: just clipped it, easiest solution.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Zohar » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:44 pm UTC

gd1 wrote:In my defense, your poems made me do it.

Blaming someone else is not much of a defense.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gd1 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:42 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:
gd1 wrote:In my defense, your poems made me do it.

Blaming someone else is not much of a defense.


Have you seen how compelling the poems are? It's like poetry :p
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby addams » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:58 pm UTC

oh, Stop!
Unless, you have something On Topic to add.
The value of airspace and ice free ports are On Topic.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gmalivuk » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:08 am UTC

This is straight up psychological torture of children.

https://twitter.com/emmaplatoff/status/ ... 5868607489
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Sableagle » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:44 am UTC

Oh, Willie McBride, it was all done in vain.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby CorruptUser » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:29 am UTC

gmalivuk wrote:This is straight up psychological torture of children.

https://twitter.com/emmaplatoff/status/ ... 5868607489


<snark>
Look at it from the perspective of the MIC. ISIS not only soaked up and got killed the majority of the would-be terrorists of the Islamic world, but was such an international embarrassment that it basically discredited terrorism itself among young Muslims, thus turning next generation's would-be terrorists into won't-be. So what is the MIC to do without a vague enemy to rally against?

Coming next decade, international terrorism; Hispanic edition!
Suave new mustaches, sexy new women, same endless wars.
Carne para el molinillo, bebé!
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby addams » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:11 am UTC

gmalivuk wrote:This is straight up psychological torture of children.

https://twitter.com/emmaplatoff/status/ ... 5868607489
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:18 am UTC

gmalivuk wrote:This is straight up psychological torture of children.
https://twitter.com/emmaplatoff/status/ ... 5868607489

Good thing everyone knows that torture doesn't work right? Bah, the Republicans never got that message.

I should clarify, torturing children by providing inadequate care, and trying to trick them into signing away their rights is bad. So is trying to terrorize refugees into avoiding coming to the US.
But the bigger impact is on a little covered piece that doesn't involve torture or mistreatment, or any breaking of laws.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/11/us/p ... sylum.html
Sessions, using a simple definition/rule change will deny 99% of refugee "credible fear" tests. It's the first and most simple test before any refugee/asylum claim can be processed. He simply narrowed it down to a really small and unlikely to be filled criteria. Criminal gangs don't count, nor does domestic abuse. No torture, no screaming children, just a quiet administrative rule change that sneaks pasts a liberal's bleeding heart.
Mr. Sessions’s decision overturns a precedent set during the Obama administration that allowed more women to claim credible fears of domestic abuse and will make it harder for such arguments to prevail in immigration courts. He said the Obama administration created “powerful incentives” for people to “come here illegally and claim a fear of return.”
Asylum claims have expanded too broadly to include victims of “private violence,” like domestic violence or gangs, Mr. Sessions wrote in his ruling, which narrowed the type of asylum requests allowed. The number of people who told homeland security officials that they had a credible fear of persecution jumped to 94,000 in 2016 from 5,000 in 2009, he said in a speech earlier in the day in which he signaled he would restore “sound principles of asylum and longstanding principles of immigration law.”
“The prototypical refugee flees her home country because the government has persecuted her,” Mr. Sessions wrote in his ruling. Because immigration courts are housed under the Justice Department, not the judicial branch of government, he has the authority to overturn their decisions.
“An alien may suffer threats and violence in a foreign country for any number of reasons relating to her social, economic, family or other personal circumstances,” he added. “Yet the asylum statute does not provide redress for all misfortune.”

Congrats, you saved 2000 children. And the American public/media just sentenced 90000 people to their deaths.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gd1 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:38 am UTC

This video is about facism and now and Trump: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fIN8oxnw__I

I should note that having that tone of voice won't help the argument.

In related commentary:
I almost fell for the mlm pitch of Amway once and wanted to vote for Trump initially. For Amway the guy tried to make me believe that everyone else was wrong because they think like poor people with a book called "my rich uncle". I got lucky and got out before I spent any money. For voting for Trump it was more along the lines of thinking he was altruistic without knowing his background. Once you start down that path you won't be easily able to see Trump's faults though. I got lucky that Bernie was running because otherwise I might have gone for Trump without learning about him. So I got lucky because I got information about Trump before his pr really set in.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:23 am UTC

gd1 wrote:This video is about facism and now and Trump: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fIN8oxnw__I

I should note that having that tone of voice won't help the argument.

In related commentary:
I almost fell for the mlm pitch of Amway once and wanted to vote for Trump initially. For Amway the guy tried to make me believe that everyone else was wrong because they think like poor people with a book called "my rich uncle". I got lucky and got out before I spent any money. For voting for Trump it was more along the lines of thinking he was altruistic without knowing his background. Once you start down that path you won't be easily able to see Trump's faults though. I got lucky that Bernie was running because otherwise I might have gone for Trump without learning about him. So I got lucky because I got information about Trump before his pr really set in.

Can you elaborate with links, what does Amway have to do with Trump? Is it the marketing company? Is it a politician?

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Pfhorrest » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:08 pm UTC

gd1 said "mlm" of Amway, meaning he's talking about the Multi-Level Marketing scam. I think he's comparing being suckered into supporting Trump to being suckered into such marketing scams.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gd1 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:30 pm UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:gd1 said "mlm" of Amway, meaning he's talking about the Multi-Level Marketing scam. I think he's comparing being suckered into supporting Trump to being suckered into such marketing scams.


Basically, but I'm trying to use kind wording. If we use harsh wording no one will listen. People are smart and with luck will see things on their own if there's no pressure (which is why I wish the guy in the video presented it with a more neutral tone).

Also thanks for expanding on it so I could post from my phone instead of computer to link stuff.

Mlms try to shape your views before you know about them. I feel like Trump almost did the same thing to me and has done this to others. Though that may not be the case with everyone.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Koa » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:59 pm UTC

MLM schemes and cults and narcissists all pull from the same set of tools as the president, the GOP, and right wing media. You don't have to be afraid whether or not they will listen, because they won't. You can sometimes deprogram certain individuals after hours of conversation, but you can't get through to a group of people like this.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gd1 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:54 pm UTC

Koa wrote:MLM schemes and cults and narcissists all pull from the same set of tools as the president, the GOP, and right wing media. You don't have to be afraid whether or not they will listen, because they won't. You can sometimes deprogram certain individuals after hours of conversation, but you can't get through to a group of people like this.


I don't know. I'll just default to it's nice to be nice.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Soupspoon » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:44 am UTC

Time to check whether Trump has said something vaguely Presidential on Twitter.

Ummm… Nope.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Mutex » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:57 am UTC

Tweet to save people clicking the link:
To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!

He went full caps-lock demented scream. I just hope he's all bluster and no trousers when it comes to threatening war. Which is an odd thing to find yourself hoping for. Kinda the exact opposite of "talk softly and carry a big stick".


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