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U.N declaration of Gay Rights

Postby LeopoldBloom » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:47 am UTC

66 U.N states signed a declaration for the full legalisation of homosexuality etc . . Link. This was immediately followed by 60 countries (mainly islamic) issuing a counter statement declaring that the first would lead to "a normalisation of paedophilia and other sexual perversions". The 66 signatories of the initial declaration were-
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Albania, Andorra, Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chile, Colombia, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Ecuador, Estonia, Finland, France, Gabon, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Guinea-Bissau, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Mauritius, Mexico, Montenegro, Nepal, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Paraguay, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Sao Tome and Principe, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Timor-Leste, United Kingdom, Uruguay, and Venezuela.

Supporters of the counter-proposal were

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Afghanistan, Islamic Republic of
Algeria, People's Democratic Republic of
Chad, Republic of
Egypt, Arab Republic of
Guinea, Republic of
Indonesia, Republic of
Iran, Islamic Republic of
Jordan, Hashemite Kingdom of
Kuwait, State of
Lebanon, Republic of
Libya, Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
Malaysia
Mali, Republic of
Mauritania, Islamic Republic of
Morocco, Kingdom of
Niger, Republic of
Pakistan, Islamic Republic of
Palestine, represented by the Palestine Liberation Organization
Saudi Arabia, Kingdom of
Senegal, Republic of
Sudan, Republic of the
Somalia
Tunisia, Republic of
Turkey, Republic of
Flag of Yemen Arab Republic Yemen Arab Republic
Bahrain, State of
Oman, Sultanate of
Qatar, State of
Syrian Arab Republic
United Arab Emirates, State of
Sierra Leone, Republic of
Bangladesh, People's Republic of
Gabon, Republic of
Gambia, Republic of the
Guinea-Bissau, Republic of
Uganda, Republic of
Burkina Faso
Cameroon, Republic of
Comoros, Federal Islamic Republic of the
Iraq, Republic of
Maldives, Republic of
Djibouti, Republic of
Benin, Republic of
Brunei Darussalam, Sultanate of
Nigeria, Federal Republic of
Azerbaijan, Republic of
Albania, Republic of
Kyrgyzstan, Republic of
Tajikistan, Republic of
Turkmenistan, Republic of
Mozambique, Republic of
Kazakhstan, Republic of
Uzbekistan, Republic of
Suriname, Republic of
Togo, Republic of
Guyana, Republic of
Côte d'Ivoire, Republic of

Notably, the U.S was absent on both lists citing reasons which, to me, seemed mere sophistry.
This does seem to show the huge differences in cultural perceptions between european and other western countries ( except the U.S) and the African, Asian and middle eastern world.
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Re: U.N declaration of Gay Rights

Postby cycoden » Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:06 am UTC

Counter-proposal wrote:a normalisation of paedophilia

Counter-proposal support list wrote:Flag of Yemen Arab Republic Yemen Arab Republic

This coming from a country (Yemen) where the age of consent is nine (source: Wikipedia) :roll:
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Re: U.N declaration of Gay Rights

Postby Haistfu » Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:17 am UTC

The US wouldn't want to be seen as similar to the other heinously evil (against) countries nor hypocritical (for), so of course it's absent.
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Re: U.N declaration of Gay Rights

Postby LeopoldBloom » Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:24 am UTC

Haistfu wrote:The US wouldn't want to be seen as similar to the other heinously evil (against) countries nor hypocritical (for), so of course it's absent.


Was that sarcasm? If not then how exactly are countries like Belgium (as a totally random example) being hypocritical by signing the declaration? It doesn't say that they already treat Gays equally but merely states that they should. Also, labelling entire swathes of the world as "heinously evil" [sic] seems a little . . . ill though out.
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Re: U.N declaration of Gay Rights

Postby Malice » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:10 am UTC

LeopoldBloom wrote:
Haistfu wrote:The US wouldn't want to be seen as similar to the other heinously evil (against) countries nor hypocritical (for), so of course it's absent.


Was that sarcasm? If not then how exactly are countries like Belgium (as a totally random example) being hypocritical by signing the declaration? It doesn't say that they already treat Gays equally but merely states that they should. Also, labelling entire swathes of the world as "heinously evil" [sic] seems a little . . . ill though out.


Haistfu means the US doesn't want to be seen as similar to the against countries, most of which are "evil"; and the US doesn't want to sign on the "for" side because the US would be seen as hypocritical, since the US doesn't actually believe homosexuals deserve equal rights.
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Re: U.N declaration of Gay Rights

Postby Luthen » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:44 am UTC

I'm kinda depressed that this didn't make it on to the news considering we (Australia) signed it.

Organization of the Islamic Conference wrote:a normalisation of paedophilia and other sexual perversions

Truthfully, most of their objection is that homosexually is Haram (Islamic non-kosher) and violates Shariah law. It's just not diplomatic to argue that.

Also interesting is the lack of China and India on both lists.

Cynically, doubt that this will achieve much that wasn't going to happen anyway.
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Re: U.N declaration of Gay Rights

Postby 22/7 » Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:50 pm UTC

LeopoldBloom wrote:
Haistfu wrote:The US wouldn't want to be seen as similar to the other heinously evil (against) countries nor hypocritical (for), so of course it's absent.


Was that sarcasm? If not then how exactly are countries like Belgium (as a totally random example) being hypocritical by signing the declaration? It doesn't say that they already treat Gays equally but merely states that they should. Also, labelling entire swathes of the world as "heinously evil" [sic] seems a little . . . ill though out.
The heinously evil bit was sarcasm, the rest was not.

And of course it's hypocritical to say "everybody should do this" and not do it. That's kind of the definition of hypocritical.
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Re: U.N declaration of Gay Rights

Postby mosc » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:17 pm UTC

cycoden wrote:
Counter-proposal wrote:a normalisation of paedophilia

Counter-proposal support list wrote:Flag of Yemen Arab Republic Yemen Arab Republic

This coming from a country (Yemen) where the age of consent is nine (source: Wikipedia) :roll:

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Re: U.N declaration of Gay Rights

Postby RealGrouchy » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:59 pm UTC

Hopefully not to veer too far off topic, but has the US signed any worldwide treaties in the last eight years? Aside, I guess, from free trade agreements. All I can think of is pulling out of Kyoto, refusing to sign the landmines treaty and the ICC. Plus there was that whole thing about appointing anti-UN guy John Bolton as the US rep to the UN...

I'm not trying to joke or flame here (obviously), but if they haven't signed any other such treaties, then their nonparticipation in this treaty would really not be very surprising.

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Re: U.N declaration of Gay Rights

Postby Bubbles McCoy » Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:47 am UTC

I think we still tend to be involved in UN matters, if I recall correctly there was some cloning declaration that came up a while back that indirectly frowned upon stem cell research that the US backed, but it might have been a more passive acceptance as the cloning thing had fairly broad support, but I'm not too familiar with the specifics.

Back to the OP, I don't know if you can really claim it would be hypocritical for the US to sign on to this thing. Gay rights issues are much larger in the US than much of the world, meaning our government just doesn't want to get involved as it would be very easy for it to be politically shredded, even if the majority would agree to the relatively begnin statement "gays should have equal rights" in the context of not being imprisoned/killed on account of their behavior. Many of the signatories do not have same sex unions, so the US at least offering them in some states puts us ahead of the curve compared to many of the supporters of the declaration. Granted, it is not truly "equal rights" when marriage is denied, but I think that most Americans do not see it that way and in the grand scheme of how the world has treated gays, we're advanced enough to admonish other countries for their treatment.

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Re: U.N declaration of Gay Rights

Postby Kesho » Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:49 am UTC

cycoden wrote:
Counter-proposal wrote:a normalisation of paedophilia

Counter-proposal support list wrote:Flag of Yemen Arab Republic Yemen Arab Republic

This coming from a country (Yemen) where the age of consent is nine (source: Wikipedia) :roll:


It also seems really suspicious that Iran and United Arab Emirates would bother to spout that nonsense, while they both have pretty bad problems with human trafficking and prostitution, which is quite often under aged, and do not have a thing to do with homosexuality. I remember hearing on an interview with an Iranian prostitute how girls who ended up in Dubai via sex trafficking stopped being of value after age twenty.
Also, absent from both lists is Russia, although apparently the Russian government has no official restrictions and plans no legislation for LGBT issues at the present time.

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Re: U.N declaration of Gay Rights

Postby Lucrece » Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:28 am UTC

Kesho wrote:
cycoden wrote:
Counter-proposal wrote:a normalisation of paedophilia

Counter-proposal support list wrote:Flag of Yemen Arab Republic Yemen Arab Republic

This coming from a country (Yemen) where the age of consent is nine (source: Wikipedia) :roll:


It also seems really suspicious that Iran and United Arab Emirates would bother to spout that nonsense, while they both have pretty bad problems with human trafficking and prostitution, which is quite often under aged, and do not have a thing to do with homosexuality. I remember hearing on an interview with an Iranian prostitute how girls who ended up in Dubai via sex trafficking stopped being of value after age twenty.
Also, absent from both lists is Russia, although apparently the Russian government has no official restrictions and plans no legislation for LGBT issues at the present time.


It only takes a look at Moscow's major, and Russian society's pervasive physical hostility toward homosexuals, to determine why.
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Re: U.N declaration of Gay Rights

Postby clintonius » Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:57 pm UTC

Luthen wrote:Cynically, doubt that this will achieve much that wasn't going to happen anyway.
This, sadly. I'm all for the declaration, but feel that it's unlikely to do much in and of itself, with or without the backing of the US. This country has lost a great deal of international credibility in the past eight years. Had we signed something 10 or 15 years ago, our support may have been viewed as pressure for other countries to do the same. We've got to rebuild our reputation before our support for such a treaty will do much good at all.

And it might help if we didn't continue to discriminate against the gay population, too.

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Re: U.N declaration of Gay Rights

Postby EstLladon » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:39 pm UTC

How Albania can be on both lists at the same time?
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Re: U.N declaration of Gay Rights

Postby mosc » Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:15 am UTC

EstLladon wrote:How Albania can be on both lists at the same time?

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Re: U.N declaration of Gay Rights

Postby bigglesworth » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:27 pm UTC

They think homosexuality causes a normalisation of paedophilia and are cool with that?
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Re: U.N declaration of Gay Rights

Postby Chfan » Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:41 pm UTC

Some ARE pedophiles (not all, mind you.) Wasn't it recently decided in one of them that an 8-year-old wasn't allowed to divorce her 58-year-old husband?
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