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Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:50 am UTC
by Lumpy
There's only so much you can jam into a headline, but according to former cheese eating surrender monkey-in-chief Jacques Chirac, Bush invoked the end-world Biblical prophecy of Gog and Magog.

A theology professor approached by French officials to explain the meaning of what he said, reported in a 2007 paper that Bush said to Chirac on the phone, "This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins." Chirac confirmed the existence of the conversation today.

You may recall a story earlier this month about the Department of Defense printing Bible verses on military images to be presented to the President during briefings.

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:55 am UTC
by Gelsamel
If that is true...

What. The. Fuck.

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:03 am UTC
by Jahoclave
And here I was ready to be surprised. And yet, well, I'm not. Kind of sad.

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:22 am UTC
by Malice
This is why you don't make religion a requirement* in order to serve public office. Because religion leads to its own special brand of crazy. The kind of crazy that says, "God told me to make [policy decision] in aid of genocide." *headdesk*

*de facto

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:24 am UTC
by Jahoclave
Malice wrote:This is why you don't make religion a requirement* in order to serve public office. Because religion leads to its own special brand of crazy. The kind of crazy that says, "God told me to make [policy decision] in aid of genocide." *headdesk*

*de facto

Actually, you know that no religious test for office thing. Yeah, turns out, they really were a good idea, just it wasn't the atheists we needed to keep out.

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 6:46 am UTC
by Malice
Jahoclave wrote:
Malice wrote:This is why you don't make religion a requirement* in order to serve public office. Because religion leads to its own special brand of crazy. The kind of crazy that says, "God told me to make [policy decision] in aid of genocide." *headdesk*

*de facto

Actually, you know that no religious test for office thing. Yeah, turns out, they really were a good idea, just it wasn't the atheists we needed to keep out.


Nah. I mean, it can be just as bad to have somebody with no belief system in office. The trick is to find people with actual good beliefs ("do unto others" is a good one), not to assume that the self-application of a broad label (whether "Christian" or "atheist") automatically means they're a good person.

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:29 am UTC
by Diadem
What? Judge people based on individual merits? Crazy!

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 8:08 am UTC
by Jahoclave
Diadem wrote:What? Judge people based on individual merits? Crazy!

Yeah, we do that and the terrorists win.

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:13 am UTC
by The Reaper
He can blame Bush for being a biblethumper all he wants, it doesn't change the fact that it worked. He's still at fault for letting such stupidity force him to do things.

"oh teh noes, teh gogmagogssss!!!!!1!11oneoneeleventyone, VIVA LE FRANCE!" /sarcasm

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:50 am UTC
by Lumpy
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought France never joined said coalition. Did I mistakenly imply it in the title?

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:56 am UTC
by Iv
I don't know how the medias covered it on the other side of the Atlantic, but here it was well known that the Blair-Bush cooperation was based heavily on religious common views. The Jihaders vs Crusaders thing looked like a fairly accurate description of events.
Chirac, in a new book by French journalist Jean-Claude Maurice, is quoted as confirming the surreal conversation, saying he was stupefied by Bush's reference to biblical prophecy and "wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs."

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:00 am UTC
by The Reaper
spoilered for quasi-offtopicness
Spoiler:
Needs moar children's crusade. :3

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:18 pm UTC
by Jahoclave
Iv wrote:I don't know how the medias covered it on the other side of the Atlantic, but here it was well known that the Blair-Bush cooperation was based heavily on religious common views. The Jihaders vs Crusaders thing looked like a fairly accurate description of events.
Chirac, in a new book by French journalist Jean-Claude Maurice, is quoted as confirming the surreal conversation, saying he was stupefied by Bush's reference to biblical prophecy and "wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs."

Welcome to America Chirac, we breed superficial and fanatical belief like we breed chicken.

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:47 pm UTC
by Grop
As well said in the article, using religion as an argument is a great way of weirding the French out. Bush would have known that is he were a slight bit curious about other cultures.

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:21 pm UTC
by icanus
Grop wrote:As well said in the article, using religion as an argument for war is a great way of weirding the French out scaring the shit out of sane people everywhere
fix'd

I still love watching the clip of Blair being asked "did you pray with Bush" and squirming all over the studio to avoid answering.

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:20 pm UTC
by cspirou
Lumpy wrote:There's only so much you can jam into a headline, but according to former cheese eating surrender monkey-in-chief Jacques Chirac, Bush invoked the end-world Biblical prophecy of Gog and Magog.

What do you mean "former" cheese eating surrender monkey? He never was one to begin with.

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:25 pm UTC
by Lumpy
It was a jokey reference to the "freedom fries" mentality in 2003, not meant seriously.

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:47 pm UTC
by cspirou
Lumpy wrote:It was a jokey reference to the "freedom fries" mentality in 2003, not meant seriously.


I know exactly what you're referring too and I'm saying it wasn't funny to begin with and it's still not funny now.

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:48 pm UTC
by Grop
By the way, is "monkey" related to this great era, or is monkey-in-chief a generic thing about heads of state?

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:00 pm UTC
by Jesse
cspirou wrote:
Lumpy wrote:It was a jokey reference to the "freedom fries" mentality in 2003, not meant seriously.


I know exactly what you're referring too and I'm saying it wasn't funny to begin with and it's still not funny now.


Luckily for us all, you're not the arbiter of laughter.

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:23 pm UTC
by Mega D
Grop wrote:By the way, is "monkey" related to this great era, or is monkey-in-chief a generic thing about heads of state?

I think in this case "monkey" was tied to "surrender" when the phrase was initially coined (on The Daily Show?). The French are "surrender monkeys", and Chirac was their chief. "Monkey" wasn't implied to be specifically for the head of state.

Bush is likened to a chimp, on the other hand, which is of course totally different from a monkey.

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:41 pm UTC
by fjafjan
Jesse wrote:
cspirou wrote:
Lumpy wrote:It was a jokey reference to the "freedom fries" mentality in 2003, not meant seriously.


I know exactly what you're referring too and I'm saying it wasn't funny to begin with and it's still not funny now.


Luckily for us all, you're not the arbiter of laughter.


Sadly the arbiter of laughter as a shitty sense of humour

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:25 pm UTC
by cspirou
Mega D wrote:
Grop wrote:By the way, is "monkey" related to this great era, or is monkey-in-chief a generic thing about heads of state?

I think in this case "monkey" was tied to "surrender" when the phrase was initially coined (on The Daily Show?). The French are "surrender monkeys", and Chirac was their chief. "Monkey" wasn't implied to be specifically for the head of state.

Bush is likened to a chimp, on the other hand, which is of course totally different from a monkey.



It was on the Simpsons in the 90's but then some rightwing columnist latched onto the phrase during 2002-2003.

Re: Chirac claims Bush invoked Bible to get France in CoW

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:26 pm UTC
by The Reaper
cspirou wrote:
Mega D wrote:
Grop wrote:By the way, is "monkey" related to this great era, or is monkey-in-chief a generic thing about heads of state?

I think in this case "monkey" was tied to "surrender" when the phrase was initially coined (on The Daily Show?). The French are "surrender monkeys", and Chirac was their chief. "Monkey" wasn't implied to be specifically for the head of state.

Bush is likened to a chimp, on the other hand, which is of course totally different from a monkey.

It was on the Simpsons in the 90's but then some rightwing columnist latched onto the phrase during 2002-2003.

But we can no longer use it now, because someone will yell at us. ^_^