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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Dibley » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:36 am UTC

Box Boy wrote:
LongLiveTheDutch wrote:As a Christian, this makes me feel horrid. Sorry for the stupid stereotypes promoted by some of us, fellow xkcders.

I'm Irish from a Catholic background, I know how you feel.

psyck0 wrote:Incestuous, as in feeding each other's egos and agreeing with each other all the time in a manner which will simply make their views more extreme.

According to here, you're close, but no cigar.

Also, several of the admins are closely related, and though I don't think there's sex going on, it most certainly falls into 'incestuous' sensu lato

The bit about being cursed if you edit is in the apocalypse of John, and though I know perfectly well that, being an independent book, it was just talking about itself, they would probably say that it applies to the "whole bible" in a package deal, as though it somehow isn't stupid to think of it as a coherent work rather than an anthology of smaller independent books that do not think of themselves as being part of a whole.

The wine to grape juice thing I have experience with. Hebrew has different words for fermented wine and grape juice, greek does not. Some Christians (mostly Adventists in my limited experience) use this to claim that Jesus was not involved in the consumption or production of wine, which they think is sinful. I love my aunt, she's so crazy...

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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Box Boy » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:39 am UTC

Fine, I'll conceed I am being pedantic with the whole incest thing.
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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Jahoclave » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:45 am UTC

Indon wrote:I wrote a blog post about (read: making fun of) it a few days ago, in fact.

I wrote a blog about this quite a bit longer ago, before Colbert tried to even have his name inserted. Of course, there's a much greater liberal bias and snarky attitude with mine, but hey, that's what you get from me. It's my thing.

But seriously, one generally doesn't translate something from English into English. Besides, shouldn't they really be encouraging the learning of Latin since that was God's favored language for over 1000 years?

But yeah, the Schafly family, yet another one of Missouri's wonderful conservative gifts to the country. One of these days we'll get ourselves a t.v. blowhard from our ranks. Though, our spawns have made talk radio their bitch. Look, we gave you Mark Twain and Truman dropped the bomb, isn't that good enough for you people? Good things can come from this state.

@Dibley, well if we go by the old-timey definitions, if they've got a common relative up to six generations back, it's incest.

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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby The Reaper » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:50 am UTC

If a conservative puts forth such an outlandish way of doing things that changes how everyone does something, to which point even the conservatives are saying WTF?, doesn't that make them an extremist liberal? ZOMGITREALLYISACIRCLE.

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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby boring bore » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:21 am UTC

This excerpt from Conservapedia has already been met by previous a poster. I would just like to reiterate it and comment myself.

the frikkin' retarded Conservapedia's 3rd guideline for writing their own bible to follow (because they want it to cater to their own political interests) wrote:Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level

Maybe it's better for the Bible to be easier to understand. You know, so that way more people can understand it?
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And this is not a strong argument, so I'd be happy to be refuted, but isn't it kind of weird that the political right is so pro-Christian and pro-capitalism (since the economics of capitalism are kinda based on human greed and "look out for number one")? A [very pro-Russian] friend of mine once suggested that Heaven itself could be socialist, since everyone in it would already be perfect.

Basically, as everyone else here has said, boo on Conservapedia. Being Christian != bashing liberals with ridiculous untruths.
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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Indon » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:42 am UTC

boring bore wrote:And this is not a strong argument, so I'd be happy to be refuted, but isn't it kind of weird that the political right is so pro-Christian and pro-capitalism (since the economics of capitalism are kinda based on human greed and "look out for number one")? A [very pro-Russian] friend of mine once suggested that Heaven itself could be socialist, since everyone in it would already be perfect.

Basically, as everyone else here has said, boo on Conservapedia. Being Christian != bashing liberals with ridiculous untruths.


Oh, yeah, all that stuff Jesus says like, "You can only have one master"? That's looking at some pretty heavy editing, I imagine.
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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby DieJay » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:49 am UTC

aleflamedyud wrote:
DieJay wrote:By rewriting what they think the Bible is all about, they're just making their own Bible altogether. It's like if Rowling or Tolkien started believing in their own stories. That screams of autism and/or schizophrenia.

But then again, I guess it's alright as long as they don't hurt anybody. :roll:

These are American neo-conservatives we're talking about. What makes you think they won't hurt anybody?


Good point...

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If you're a professional translator and biblical scholar, this project don't want you. Not because your bias implies malicious intent, but because your competence implies bias.

In other words, they're using the anti-competence, anti-intellectual idea that nobody capable of doing a job should be allowed to do it to justify the notion that nobody outside of their movement has any religious authority. They're building an incestuous cult and masking it in populism.


To me it sounds like they ruined their project before even starting. While they're at it, maybe they should hire 2 years old toddlers, you can hardly find anyone whose competence imply less bias. Plus, I always thought the Bible could use some colorful doodles.

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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby fjafjan » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:53 am UTC

Indon wrote:
boring bore wrote:And this is not a strong argument, so I'd be happy to be refuted, but isn't it kind of weird that the political right is so pro-Christian and pro-capitalism (since the economics of capitalism are kinda based on human greed and "look out for number one")? A [very pro-Russian] friend of mine once suggested that Heaven itself could be socialist, since everyone in it would already be perfect.

Basically, as everyone else here has said, boo on Conservapedia. Being Christian != bashing liberals with ridiculous untruths.


Oh, yeah, all that stuff Jesus says like, "You can only have one master"? That's looking at some pretty heavy editing, I imagine.

Or the whole "In this way the last ones will be first, and the first ones last." and such and
"it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.". Those are pretty damning.
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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Indon » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:56 am UTC

DieJay wrote:To me it sounds like they ruined their project before even starting. While they're at it, maybe they should hire 2 years old toddlers, you can hardly find anyone whose competence imply less bias. Plus, I always thought the Bible could use some colorful doodles.

Psalms, 8:2 - "Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger."
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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Maduyn » Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:45 am UTC

http://www.conservapedia.com/Bias_in_Wikipedia
This is probably the best part of the site.
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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby frogman » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:26 am UTC

Oh man oh man oh man I think conservapedia is the most hilarious website ever! I could spend weeks on here!

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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby poxic » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:40 am UTC

I can't really blame Christianity as a whole. I can totally blame a particular brand of Christianity that has been brewing in the Southern US for a long time now, and which has been spreading all over the US and into parts of Canada (cough*Alberta*cough) for a while now.

It's a hybrid of religion and politics. When I lived near Seattle as a teenager, I got swept up into it for a few years. It's dazzling, energising, hopeful stuff ... until you pull your smarts back together and realise that it's a big paintbrush full of cowshit rolled over a basically friendly foundation.

Sorry, I probably shouldn't keep typing. This brings up a lot of bile in me, and sorrow. I love the teachings of the man called Jesus, but I can no longer call myself Christian because of how poisoned those teachings have become over the last two thousand years. I'm left with the option of pursuing a form of Buddhism if I want to dedicate myself to some sort of practise that doesn't fill me with revulsion. Jesus would have gone to our Downtown Eastside and eaten his meals with drug addicts, AIDS victims, and prostitutes. He would have gotten to know their names and life histories. He would not have commanded them to do anything, except to forgive and to love.

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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby guenther » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:55 am UTC

I heard from an evangelical pastor recently about his realization that most people really like Jesus, they just really don't like his followers. He said that was an eye-opening revelation about how to spread the gospel. There are still a lot of Christians that care deeply about the number 2 rule in Christianity (Love your neighbor as yourself). I'm sorry for your bad experiences and I wish you the best in your search for peace.
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Postby Avelion » Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:12 am UTC

6. Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil.


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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby SummerGlauFan » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:42 am UTC

This makes me feel awful. On behalf of all Christians, I want to apologize for these crackpots. I really wish we were allowed to use cattle prods and choke collars on guys like these, but alas... Well, I suppose Jesus wouldn't want us to (unless you read the Conservative Bible. I'm sure it would say torture's ok, yes?)

BTW, I feel like I have to go take a shower after spending all of five minutes on conservapedia. *shudder*

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Postby Jahoclave » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:03 am UTC

Maduyn wrote:http://www.conservapedia.com/Bias_in_Wikipedia
This is probably the best part of the site.



# Wikipedia cites vulgar blogs and liberal rants as though they are encyclopedic authorities. For example, its entry about Conservapedia claims that "[s]everal articles on the site have reputations for bias and inaccuracy,"[22] but its citations for that falsehood consist of a vulgar blog, a liberal rant, and an article that takes a neutral position. None of Wikipedia's three "authorities" make any statement about the "reputation" of Conservapedia as Wikipedia claims.

Sorry, they'd have cited "reality," but you can't exactly link to that.


The Wikipedia page for Republican Mark Kirk[37] made no mention of the widely-reported and significant fact that, as a Navy reservist, he is the first U.S. Representative since WWII to make an overseas deployment to an imminent danger area (Afghanistan).
Because this is the Internet, he's not a captain, and his name isn't James T. That's nerd bias, not liberal bias.

Wikipedia's entry on conservative the Ronpaul smears him with unsubstantiated statements (newsletter "issues gave tactical advice to right-wing militia groups and advanced various conspiracy theories"[118]), misleading attributions of statements (Paul renounced the statements in 2001), and an overall political hatchet job ... and then locks the page to prevent correction!

Look, if the Ronpaul can't control the series of tubes, then he's already doomed.

Wikipedia promotes suicide with 21,544 entries that mention this depravity, including many entries that feature it (Conservapedia will not provide citations to the more depraved entries on this subject at Wikipedia as Conservapedia affirms the sanctity of life).

They must really fucking hate the Norton Anthology of American Literature. It's just a long list of people who offed themselves, though, Hemingway, that man did it with talent.

In the mid-20th century, a Soviet encyclopedia contained the assertion that Jesus was a myth.[211] Wikipedia's entry on Jesus has the following: "A small number of scholars and authors question the historical existence of Jesus, with some arguing for a completely mythological Jesus."[212] But no credible historian makes such a claim.

Wait, so that was a mythical Berkley Professor with multiple publications in academic journals that I carried out of a bar the other week? Just saying, they kind of do exist. In fact, the entire argument is based off the Bible and an interesting disconnect from Jesus to what went on after he was "whacked."

For example, CNN would ensure that Crossfire had a representative of the political right and one from the political left.
And then, along came Stewart.

Wikipedia's main article on Communism does not mention any act of genocide in Communist countries, and any attempts to edit the page to include this information are deleted. The Nazism page, however, includes multiple mentions of the Holocaust. The only mention of communist genocide is buried deep within the article structure for Communism.

Hum, maybe because the NSDAP was a political party exclusive to Germany, whereas genocides in communist countries would be better served in articles of the specific regimes rather than the entire broad spectrum. But you know, reading through a lot of their bias, you kind of get the sense that they don't care how far to the right a group was, they'll defend it if it'll help them show any small amount of perceived liberal bias.

Obama is filled with non-notable, forgettable fluff such as links to articles about songs about him, a list of artists who support him, a Super Mario-type video game based on him and a list of places named after him.

I think they just dissed Mario.

One of Wikipedia's barnstars—given nominally for World War II writing contributions—is in fact an American flag desecrated with Nazi and Soviet Union graffiti.

Well I'm sure England and the ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET are glad you didn't even notice them.

Wikipedia's article on atheism fails to mention that American atheists give significantly less to charity than American theists on a per capita basis even when church giving is not counted for theists.[26] In addition, Wikipedia's article on atheism fails to mention how key proponents of atheism have been deceptive. Wikipedia's article on atheism also fails to mention that Christianity and not atheism was foundational in regards to the development of modern science. Wikipedia's article attempts to associate atheism with scientific progress.[27] In addition, Wikipedia's article on atheism fails to mention that atheism is a causal factor for suicide.

And this just pisses me off to no end. Especially since the entire first part is the exact kind of shit that is actually responsible for the later part. Maybe they might figure out that constantly treating a group of people as subhuman, traitors, defective, injured people, who have no right to live actually causes mental harm. Of course, that might require them to realize that right-wing evangelical Christian is not a species description.

I'm a little sad that they got rid of their circle logic proof of wikipedia bias. That always amused me.

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@Glau: Don't feel bad, we don't mock the whole lot of you for these sorts of things. Still, they can be quite hilarious until you realize these people actually form a voting block and politicians listen to them.

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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Diadem » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:44 pm UTC

Well, one can't deny that there are many biased articles on wikipedia. For example some time ago the article on Mao Zedong went on for a long time about how great he had been for China, and the only criticism on it was something like "His great leap forward has been criticized for a needless loss of life". I put a NPOV tag on the article, which was prompty deleted, put up again, deleted again, until a minor edit war ensued.

The article has consideribly improved in the meantime though. Which I think teaches us two things:
1) Biased articles certainly exist on wikipedia
2) There's always room for improvement. Unlike other sites, bias on wikipedia is often corrected once it's been pointed out.
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Postby podbaydoor » Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:14 pm UTC

Professors are the most liberal group of people in the world,


What?

That sentence starts out plain wrong and just goes on from there. What the fuck is with this consuming, overwhelming disdain for anything to do with education, knowledge, or expertise?
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Postby BlackSails » Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:29 pm UTC

I really hope that 4chan turns its disgusting gaze towards this site.

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Postby The Reaper » Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:50 pm UTC

As Happy and Glorious Servants of His Most Honored, Always Correct, and Ultimately Awesome Jahoclave, I say, yes, one can have conservative socialism.

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Postby King of Frogs » Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:53 pm UTC

BlackSails wrote:I really hope that 4chan turns its disgusting gaze towards this site.

Its depressing that we may have to rely on these fucktards to cleanse the internet. Say what you like about 'em, but they know how to do direct action. Then again, they're about as predictable as a small child with ADD, so I dunno, they could just as easily ignore it and go after us.

On above, I would argue that the Soviet Union was an extemely (socially) conservative society.
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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Robstickle » Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:57 pm UTC

I much prefer this article - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_rel_conservative_bible

It contains this gem.

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Postby podbaydoor » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:10 pm UTC

The committee in charge of updating the bestselling version, the NIV, is dominated by professors and higher-educated participants who can be expected to be liberal and feminist in outlook.

What,

I mean,

What?

Education = liberal and feminist?

On second thought, if that is true, then we absolutely need to educate the shit out of everyone in this country.
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Postby Robstickle » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:12 pm UTC

podbaydoor wrote:Education = liberal and feminist?.


You've kind of got to wonder if Andy Schlafly has ever stopped to consider that there might be a reason all these professors (and other clever types) are liberal.

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Postby aleflamedyud » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:21 pm UTC

podbaydoor wrote:
The committee in charge of updating the bestselling version, the NIV, is dominated by professors and higher-educated participants who can be expected to be liberal and feminist in outlook.

What,

I mean,

What?

Education = liberal and feminist?

On second thought, if that is true, then we absolutely need to educate the shit out of everyone in this country.

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Postby BlackSails » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:26 pm UTC

Robstickle wrote:
podbaydoor wrote:Education = liberal and feminist?.


You've kind of got to wonder if Andy Schlafly has ever stopped to consider that there might be a reason all these professors (and other clever types) are liberal.


Its because the education system brainwashes people into believing in socialism, duh.

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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Vieto » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:27 pm UTC

SummerGlauFan wrote:This makes me feel awful. On behalf of all Christians, I want to apologize for these crackpots. I really wish we were allowed to use cattle prods and choke collars on guys like these, but alas... Well, I suppose Jesus wouldn't want us to (unless you read the Conservative Bible. I'm sure it would say torture's ok, yes?)


Same here, and well said.

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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Darkscull » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:54 pm UTC

The funny thing about conservapedia is that every now and then they do something that's attracts attention to themselves, which results in a lot of people signing up to vandalise things.

Some of those people do obvious, destructive vandalism and eventually get bored and stop. There are a lot of people, however, who do more subtle things, and stick around.

That's happened enough times in different internet communities that there are loads of editors of conservapedia that are only pretending, and they don't know who the other imposters are.
This is awesome because most of the extreme, piss-taking contributions that are made to mess with the real wackos are actually accepted by them. A few of the most trusted admins (or whatever they're called on Wikis) are actually just taking the piss and pushing the site further towards the crazy.

It's basically just the Schafly family, a few kids they're involved in teaching, and a load of people from the internet who hate them with a passion.
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Postby Diadem » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:20 pm UTC

BlackSails wrote:I really hope that 4chan turns its disgusting gaze towards this site.

4chan... I suppose they are kind of like the SS of liberalism, aren't they?

Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing.
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Postby BlackSails » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:25 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:
BlackSails wrote:I really hope that 4chan turns its disgusting gaze towards this site.

4chan... I suppose they are kind of like the SS of liberalism, aren't they?

Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing.


I view them as sort of a rabid dog guarding the internets.

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4chan... I suppose they are kind of like the SS of liberalism, aren't they?

Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing.


I view them as sort of a rabid dog guarding the internets.

You're all wrong. They are the final boss of the internet, and there isn't a strategy guide or gamefaqs article yet.
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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Phen » Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:28 pm UTC

Maduyn wrote:http://www.conservapedia.com/Bias_in_Wikipedia
This is probably the best part of the site.

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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby BlackSails » Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:45 pm UTC

Their article on Obama is even better

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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Maduyn » Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:47 pm UTC

What i am amzed by is how they have such long articles in such a short period of time.
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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Box Boy » Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:10 am UTC

Maduyn wrote:What i am amzed by is how they have such long articles in such a short period of time.

You'd be surprised how efficient concentrated stupidity can be.
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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Pansori » Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:42 am UTC

sje46 wrote:Anyone have any good examples of changes?


I can think of one big change that happened with the NRSV version (I believe). In Isaiah, where it's mentioned that a child shall be born of a VIRGIN. This is one of the most famous verses to justify Jesus being the son of God, but it is a serious mistranslation. From what I remember in my NT class the people that were translating the OT to English was working off of a copy of the Septuagint. The Septuagint is the Old Testament, translated from Hebrew to Greek. The Hebrew scribes who wrote it spoke Aramaic, Greek was their second language. Basically they mistranslated the word, which was originally MAIDEN (as in young girl), not virgin. Plus, if you read the whole verse and have a basic knowledge of prophetic prophecies you would know that there is no way they were talking about Jesus. So that was changed, although a lot of conservatives nowadays agree with it.

Smaller changes have been made as well, such as changing "Son of Man" to 'Mortal" so that it is gender inclusive.

I wouldn't judge conservative Christians based on these amateur translators. The majority of religious scholars these days teach the Bible from a historical perspective, whether they are from a public university or a private seminary that is church affiliated.
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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Kyrn » Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:48 am UTC

Box Boy wrote:Whatever you do, do NOT look up George W. Bush.

I can't tell if that's reverse psychology, sarcasm, or both.

Not that I plan on visiting conservapedia to start with...
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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby netcrusher88 » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:24 am UTC

Maduyn wrote:http://www.conservapedia.com/Bias_in_Wikipedia
This is probably the best part of the site.

Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

Also, I don't see anyone vandalizing Conservapedia (except the authors :P ) anytime soon, since as I recall it's closed registration. I'd check but it appears to be down right now. Maybe reddit caught wind of them again or something.
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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby AJR » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:29 am UTC

It seems that Conservapedia has fallen over right now (clearly because of teh evul libruls, and maybe us furriners too.) Which is a shame, because I was wondering how their "translation" does the sermon on the mount, with all its pesky "blessed are the peacemakers" and "love your enemy" bits.

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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby MoghLiechty2 » Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:42 am UTC

netcrusher88 wrote:Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

Reality has a bias well-known by liberals to be liberal.


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