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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Dibley » Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:15 am UTC

Something that I've wanted to do for a while, and that has been kinda undermined by this latest bolus of crazy, is to join conservapedia and subvert it by, in good faith, making it better. Toe the party line, but add in fascinating and noncontroversial information about everything, science in particular, so that the children of conservatives, who through no fault of their own are stuck with using conservapedia as a reference, can gain a deeper understanding of science. I firmly believe that the pursuit of knowledge is self perpetuating, ad if you can convince them to be curious and interested about the world around them, they might go on to learn more, whether through taking more science classes or reading the better wiki, and that as they grow to be more intelligent than their parents they'll come over to our side. Of course, now that conservapedia has alienated most real conservatives, there won't be any people left actually using it for its intended purpose.

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Postby Maduyn » Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:28 am UTC

Dibley wrote:Something that I've wanted to do for a while, and that has been kinda undermined by this latest bolus of crazy, is to join conservapedia and subvert it by, in good faith, making it better. Toe the party line, but add in fascinating and noncontroversial information about everything, science in particular, so that the children of conservatives, who through no fault of their own are stuck with using conservapedia as a reference, can gain a deeper understanding of science. I firmly believe that the pursuit of knowledge is self perpetuating, ad if you can convince them to be curious and interested about the world around them, they might go on to learn more, whether through taking more science classes or reading the better wiki, and that as they grow to be more intelligent than their parents they'll come over to our side. Of course, now that conservapedia has alienated most real conservatives, there won't be any people left actually using it for its intended purpose.



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Postby Dibley » Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:57 am UTC

Unfortunately, the Schlaflys have mastered the art of IP bannination through long practice against open vandalism. I'm pretty sure it's hard to get editing privileges these days.

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Postby TheGrammarBolshevik » Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:59 am UTC

Maduyn wrote:What i am amzed by is how they have such long articles in such a short period of time.

How short? They've been around for a little while.
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Postby Maduyn » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:44 am UTC

TheGrammarBolshevik wrote:
Maduyn wrote:What i am amzed by is how they have such long articles in such a short period of time.

How short? They've been around for a little while.

Oops. hadn't realzed they've been around since 2006. my apologies.
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Postby Rakysh » Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:17 am UTC

Dibley wrote:Something that I've wanted to do for a while, and that has been kinda undermined by this latest bolus of crazy, is to join conservapedia and subvert it by, in good faith, making it better. Toe the party line, but add in fascinating and noncontroversial information about everything, science in particular, so that the children of conservatives, who through no fault of their own are stuck with using conservapedia as a reference, can gain a deeper understanding of science. I firmly believe that the pursuit of knowledge is self perpetuating, ad if you can convince them to be curious and interested about the world around them, they might go on to learn more, whether through taking more science classes or reading the better wiki, and that as they grow to be more intelligent than their parents they'll come over to our side. Of course, now that conservapedia has alienated most real conservatives, there won't be any people left actually using it for its intended purpose.

But they'd just ban you for being right. Seriously. Some guy runs the physics sections like a crazier Hitler, and he has ban rights. Or did last time I saw them. They'd just call you a professor, shout at you a bit, then ban you for obviously being a liberal because you know stuff about science. I've made something of a study of this place, trust me. Anyone who tries to do good there gets nommed eventually. There's a clique of about 8 who stick around, and then a turnover of do-gooders and conservatives who get banned at some point- I've been there. People doing the trolling make Mr Schlafly think he's "doing the right things" because the liberals are trying to silence him. Anyone more interested about exactly how messed up this place is, I suggest you check out this page. It's not for the faint hearted.

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Postby Arancaytar » Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:34 pm UTC

See also Poe's Law and the Poe Paradox.

In any fundamentalist group where Poe's Law applies, a paradox exists where any new person (or idea) sufficiently fundamentalist to be accepted by the group, is likely to be so ridiculous that they risk being rejected as a parodist (or parody).


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Postby Vaniver » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:31 pm UTC

I would be incredibly surprised if Conservapedia was not dominated by trolls, actually, and it wouldn't surprise me if the same is true of this project.

It saddens me to think, though, that a lot of the actual mistranslations will get kept because that's what they're used to. What do you mean Mary wasn't a virgin, or that the number of the Beast is 616?
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Postby Maduyn » Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:54 pm UTC

Vaniver wrote:that the number of the Beast is 1337?


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Postby Indon » Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:16 pm UTC

Maduyn wrote:
Vaniver wrote:that the number of the Beast is 1337?


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Postby Jahoclave » Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:37 pm UTC

Indon wrote:
Maduyn wrote:
Vaniver wrote:that the number of the Beast is 1337?


Fix'd


Revelation 12:9 - " That evul puppeh called teh devul, and Satun, which digz in teh backyard, and peez on teh rugz: he wuz casted out onto teh erf, along wif teh other puppehs."


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Postby Box Boy » Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:43 pm UTC

Vaniver wrote:It saddens me to think, though, that a lot of the actual mistranslations will get kept because that's what they're used to. What do you mean Mary wasn't a virgin, or that the number of the Beast is 616?

Wait, what's this about Mary?
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Postby PhoenixEnigma » Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:55 pm UTC

Box Boy wrote:
Vaniver wrote:It saddens me to think, though, that a lot of the actual mistranslations will get kept because that's what they're used to. What do you mean Mary wasn't a virgin, or that the number of the Beast is 616?

Wait, what's this about Mary?

There's some debate as to whether it should be translated that Mary was a "virgin" or a "maiden", I believe. Which is something that, really, is kind of a core tenet of the faith and should probably be settled.
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Postby netcrusher88 » Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:07 pm UTC

Box Boy wrote:Wait, what's this about Mary?

It was said earlier in this thread that Isaiah 7:14 was revised to say "virgin" when it should have been "maiden" in the "young woman" sense somewhere around the NRSV, which is incorrect - though I can't comment on the accuracy of the translation, the earliest widely available English translation of the bible, the KJV, does use the word "virgin".

But then, I've never seen the source material. Not that I could read it.
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Postby Vaniver » Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:57 pm UTC

Box Boy wrote:Wait, what's this about Mary?
This is a fairly good summary. It's not like 616 vs. 666 (Papyrus 115, the earliest copy of Revelations that we've found, says 616, and then different versions say different things, and then modern ones say 666, and so it's pretty clear that originally it was 616 then it was changed, either accidentally or on purpose), but there's still reason to question the Mary's virginity at Jesus's birth on textual grounds.
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Postby Josephine » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:08 pm UTC

Revelation 12:9 - " That evul puppeh called teh devul, and Satun, which digz in teh backyard, and peez on teh rugz: he wuz casted out onto teh erf, along wif teh other puppehs."

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PhoenixEnigma wrote:
Box Boy wrote:
Vaniver wrote:It saddens me to think, though, that a lot of the actual mistranslations will get kept because that's what they're used to. What do you mean Mary wasn't a virgin, or that the number of the Beast is 616?

Wait, what's this about Mary?

There's some debate as to whether it should be translated that Mary was a "virgin" or a "maiden", I believe. Which is something that, really, is kind of a core tenet of the faith and should probably be settled.


netcrusher88 wrote:It was said earlier in this thread that Isaiah 7:14 was revised to say "virgin" when it should have been "maiden" in the "young woman" sense somewhere around the NRSV, which is incorrect - though I can't comment on the accuracy of the translation, the earliest widely available English translation of the bible, the KJV, does use the word "virgin".

But then, I've never seen the source material. Not that I could read it.


That is pretty much it. It is also worth mentioning that one would probably not find any references about Jesus from a prophet like Isaiah because he was not an apocalypticist. There is a difference between prophetic and apocalyptic. Isaiah's prophecies were prophetic in the sense that they dealt within his history. So in regard to a child being born named Emmanuel the event would have happened in his lifetime. Apocalyptic prophecies (which the NT is littered with) deals with prophecies outside of their own history, events that will happen way, way in the future.

Most scholars believe that out of the 4 Gospels Mark is the earliest one. And Mark says nothing about Mary's virginity, in fact nothing about Jesus' birth. Mark starts with Jesus' baptism. In an effort to establish Jesus' divinity the later Gospels tended to really embellish on his life. The later the Gospel the more divine Jesus becomes, until you get to John (which is the latest one) that basically states Jesus was around since the beginning of time.

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Rakysh wrote: Anyone more interested about exactly how messed up this place is, I suggest you check out this page. It's not for the faint hearted.

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Postby BlackSails » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:39 pm UTC

Their page of relativity makes me shake with rage.

Their QFT article is hilarious though:
"Quantum field theory is a mathematical theory in physics which extends quantum mechanics. Field theory describes the interactions between subatomic particles, such as electrons, protons, quarks and photons. However, it predicts a cosmological constant that is 120 times larger than the observed value."

They could not be more wrong. Its 120 orders of magnitude off.

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BlackSails wrote:Their page of relativity makes me shake with rage.

Their QFT article is hilarious though:
"Quantum field theory is a mathematical theory in physics which extends quantum mechanics. Field theory describes the interactions between subatomic particles, such as electrons, protons, quarks and photons. However, it predicts a cosmological constant that is 120 times larger than the observed value."

They could not be more wrong. Its 120 orders of magnitude off.

Nah, only 118 :P

I also loved their #3 example of bias in wikipedia:
3.The "Pioneer anomaly" contradicts both the theory of relativity and Newtonian gravity, but the Wikipedia article describes it as a potential defect for only Newtonian gravity.

Pioneer anomaly? Sjeesh, could you find something even more obscure? Also a major physics fail. The pioneer anomaly is about very low speeds - relativity does not apply.
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Postby BlackSails » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:06 am UTC

Well, the pioneer anomaly applies in the sense that it could mean something is wrong with our understanding of inertia or gravity (well, we know we dont know gravity).

Most of their other examples are even worse.

Where does the conservative objection to relativity and black holes come from? I can understand them being against biology because of its links with evolution and abortion, but the science that allowed nuclear weapons? And astrophysics, which implies a beginning to the universe that is not entirely contradicted by Genesis?

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BlackSails wrote:Well, the pioneer anomaly applies in the sense that it could mean something is wrong with our understanding of inertia or gravity (well, we know we dont know gravity).

Yes. But what is their argument here? "The pioneer anomaly contradicts GR, therefore wikipedia has liberal bias". \

Where does the conservative objection to relativity and black holes come from? I can understand them being against biology because of its links with evolution and abortion, but the science that allowed nuclear weapons? And astrophysics, which implies a beginning to the universe that is not entirely contradicted by Genesis?

I suppose it's just part of their generic anti-intellectualism. Or perhaps it's because Einstein was Jewish? I noticed that their article on relativity tries to downplay Einstein's contributions - they go as far as mentioning him as fourth author of Special Relativity.


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"What Americans Really Believe," a comprehensive new study released by Baylor University yesterday, shows that traditional Christian religion greatly decreases belief in everything from the efficacy of palm readers to the usefulness of astrology. It also shows that the irreligious and the members of more liberal Protestant denominations, far from being resistant to superstition, tend to be much more likely to believe in the paranormal and in pseudoscience than evangelical Christians....

I lol'd.
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"What Americans Really Believe," a comprehensive new study released by Baylor University yesterday, shows that traditional Christian religion greatly decreases belief in everything from the efficacy of palm readers to the usefulness of astrology. It also shows that the irreligious and the members of more liberal Protestant denominations, far from being resistant to superstition, tend to be much more likely to believe in the paranormal and in pseudoscience than evangelical Christians....

That's not far wrong. If you're a fundie, everything that isn't Christianity (or whatever your fundie flavour is) is the devil's work. The only superstition you're allowed is stuff that's Bible-based.
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Postby BlackSails » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:32 am UTC

Diadem wrote:I suppose it's just part of their generic anti-intellectualism. Or perhaps it's because Einstein was Jewish? I noticed that their article on relativity tries to downplay Einstein's contributions - they go as far as mentioning him as fourth author of Special Relativity.


They do hate on Einstein, but usually, crazy fundie Christians love jews, because as soon as all the jews go back to Israel, then the second coming happens.

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Postby aleflamedyud » Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:44 am UTC

BlackSails wrote:
Diadem wrote:I suppose it's just part of their generic anti-intellectualism. Or perhaps it's because Einstein was Jewish? I noticed that their article on relativity tries to downplay Einstein's contributions - they go as far as mentioning him as fourth author of Special Relativity.


They do hate on Einstein, but usually, crazy fundie Christians love jews, because as soon as all the jews go back to Israel, then the second coming happens.

But Einstein was anti-Zionist (back when that meant a specific position rather than "I'm neither from Israel nor America"), so they don't like him. Besides, he was a scientist, and you know that scienceliness is next to devilishness!
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It's a shame that these people's gross incompetence and contempt make such a bad impression on Christianity as a whole.
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poxic wrote:
"What Americans Really Believe," a comprehensive new study released by Baylor University yesterday, shows that traditional Christian religion greatly decreases belief in everything from the efficacy of palm readers to the usefulness of astrology. It also shows that the irreligious and the members of more liberal Protestant denominations, far from being resistant to superstition, tend to be much more likely to believe in the paranormal and in pseudoscience than evangelical Christians....

That's not far wrong. If you're a fundie, everything that isn't Christianity (or whatever your fundie flavour is) is the devil's work. The only superstition you're allowed is stuff that's Bible-based.


This is basically how I was taught stuff as a kid, I think it perhaps conjured a little skeptic inside me but while it was never specifically "It's evil so don't believe in it!" it was never for the right reasons... it was more just a "Don't believe that stuff, okay?" where I could kinda tell the reason was because it wasn't Christian/In The Bible/etc.

That being said, I think you'd find that more evangelical Christians are likely to disbelieve science as though it were psuedoscience than the irreligious etc (especially when it comes to evolution which is often seen as a threat to Christian belief) which would be indicative of this attitude you mention poxic.
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Diadem wrote:I just found this gem:
"What Americans Really Believe," a comprehensive new study released by Baylor University yesterday, shows that traditional Christian religion greatly decreases belief in everything from the efficacy of palm readers to the usefulness of astrology. It also shows that the irreligious and the members of more liberal Protestant denominations, far from being resistant to superstition, tend to be much more likely to believe in the paranormal and in pseudoscience than evangelical Christians....

I lol'd.


If you sufficiently redefine 'science' and 'pseudoscience', I have no doubt you could come to that result.

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Postby Vaniver » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:12 pm UTC

Gelsamel wrote:That being said, I think you'd find that more evangelical Christians are likely to disbelieve science as though it were psuedoscience than the irreligious etc (especially when it comes to evolution which is often seen as a threat to Christian belief) which would be indicative of this attitude you mention poxic.
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Postby podbaydoor » Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:32 pm UTC

Um...by definition, being part of a religion (for example, Wicca) means you are no longer irreligious.
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Postby Vaniver » Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:39 pm UTC

podbaydoor wrote:Um...by definition, being part of a religion (for example, Wicca) means you are no longer irreligious.
Note that this conversation is specifically about Christians relative to others; evangelicals versus liberal Protestants versus 'irreligious.' I doubt the Baylor University study would not lump Wiccans in with the irreligious.
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Postby Aikanaro » Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:21 pm UTC

.....I'm struggling to think of a way to convey how revolted I feel about this. I feel....violated, almost. Like it's a perversion of my own existence. Maybe it's like Tolkien's Elves upon first encountering Orcs? Or Ents encountering Trolls? A twisted, vile mockery of yourself, like your reflection in the fun house mirrors of Hell or something....

It's like I'm tainted with BLEGH simply via association. Where's the "queasy" emoticon when you need it?
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Aikanaro wrote:.....I'm struggling to think of a way to convey how revolted I feel about this. I feel....violated, almost. Like it's a perversion of my own existence. Maybe it's like Tolkien's Elves upon first encountering Orcs? Or Ents encountering Trolls? A twisted, vile mockery of yourself, like your reflection in the fun house mirrors of Hell or something....

It's like I'm tainted with BLEGH simply via association. Where's the "queasy" emoticon when you need it?

I don't really think either christians or conservatives need to feel anyone associates them with these people. They're plainly insane.
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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby MoghLiechty2 » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:04 pm UTC

Phen wrote:I don't really think either christians or conservatives need to feel anyone associates them with these people. They're plainly insane.

As a Christian who is also a conservative, I thank you.

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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Indon » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:07 pm UTC

Aikanaro wrote:.....I'm struggling to think of a way to convey how revolted I feel about this. I feel....violated, almost. Like it's a perversion of my own existence. Maybe it's like Tolkien's Elves upon first encountering Orcs? Or Ents encountering Trolls? A twisted, vile mockery of yourself, like your reflection in the fun house mirrors of Hell or something....

It's like I'm tainted with BLEGH simply via association. Where's the "queasy" emoticon when you need it?


So what you're saying is, Melkor is writing this bible.
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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Aikanaro » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:28 pm UTC

Indon wrote:
Aikanaro wrote:.....I'm struggling to think of a way to convey how revolted I feel about this. I feel....violated, almost. Like it's a perversion of my own existence. Maybe it's like Tolkien's Elves upon first encountering Orcs? Or Ents encountering Trolls? A twisted, vile mockery of yourself, like your reflection in the fun house mirrors of Hell or something....

It's like I'm tainted with BLEGH simply via association. Where's the "queasy" emoticon when you need it?


So what you're saying is, Melkor is writing this bible.

Are you saying it doesn't fit?
Dear xkcd,

On behalf of my religion, I'm sorry so many of us do dumb shit. Please forgive us.

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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby Indon » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:32 pm UTC

Aikanaro wrote:Are you saying it doesn't fit?


Actually, it seems uncannily intuitive.
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Re: The New Conservative Jesus: He's kind of a dick now.

Postby icanus » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:37 pm UTC

Indon wrote:
Aikanaro wrote:So what you're saying is, Melkor is writing this bible.

Are you saying it doesn't fit?

More like Ugluk and Shagrat scrawling on the walls of Minas Ithil in their own excrement. Let's give Mr Schafly & co. the credit they deserve.


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