TheGrammarBolshevik wrote:That's what I'm disputing. I see no evidence of this beyond that people are responding to it as if it were.
Dream, despite claiming they aren't rationalizing or justifying the radical Muslim response, has written several posts rationalizing the radical Muslim response. The only condemnation of it as follows:
Dream wrote:I wouldn't ever say that anyone was OK in threatening death over it.
Dream doesn't say it's bad, but wouldn't say it's OK.
Rationalizing it is a necessary part of understanding it; and as said before there is value to be had in understanding it. I see no evidence Dream's attempts at rationalizing it, though, have been to find a way to reduce or eliminate it- they seem pretty clearly to be attempts to normalize it. For example, see the comments equating radical Islam with other religions:
Dream wrote:I think there are more religions than Islam that have members who would react violently if provoked in certain ways, ways that members of no religion would find hard to understand. Imagine you had a website called "Abortions in Christ" (and weren't yourself an abortionist, just a satirist) and that website got as many hits in a fortnight as a South Park episode has viewers. You'd get death threats from christians, and some might even try to carry them out. All about a joke, but one that in their view was an outrageous provocation for its own sake.
Dream wrote:Marzipan, Leibniz was saying that only Muslims get violent over this kind of thing, which I don't think is true if you find something as offensive to other religions as depicting the Prophet is to Islam.
This is, as I brought up in my post, demonstrably untrue
. The only contemporary examples of religiously motivated Christian violence are the murders of abortion doctors which was disapproved of by Christendom about the same that threats and attacks on blasphemers are approved of by Dar al-Islam. The crazies who shot abortion doctors weren't shooting people who made crucifix dildos
or mocked Christianity- they shot people who routinely performed procedures that ended the development of fetuses.
Also, someone already did the Christ is pro-abortion
thing, eight years ago
. They got a lot of angry press, but I don't see any mention of death threats.
So, I see in Dream's posts a lack of disapproval for the radical Muslim response. And that is a problem.
TheGrammarBolshevik wrote:I and the general population of this forum have much more contact with financial supporters (viewers) of South Park than with radical Muslims. Additionally, the creators of South Park are a small and readily-identifiable group whose behavior is much more controllable than that of a subset of a billion-member religion.
Do you really want to go on the record as supporting victim-blaming because it's easier than the alternative?