aleflamedyud wrote:I can't judge if the raw, uncut footage shows a camel. I haven't seen it. I've seen what's been released, same as you.
This is the "raw footage" released by the IDF / IFM
: watch it carefully: at 1:01 - 1:05 a CAMEL RUNS PAST A SOLDIER WIELDING A PAINTBALL GUN.... ON A BOAT 80+ NAUTICAL MILES FROM SHORE
. You'll also noticed at 1:05 a very poorly done jump-cut that deletes said camel from the action.
I ask again. Given the materials this ship were carrying were "construction", does this include camels?
aleflamedyud wrote: However, here's the thing: the IDF doesn't have to be independent or unbiased to release video footage, just not outright Elders-of-Zion-style liars. They could well have edited bits out, such as one with a camel, but that wouldn't affect the veracity of what they do release.
Well, I'm with Occam on this one. The likelihood of a stray roaming CAMEL
on board a ship I find very hard to swallow. Occam's razor suggests that, perhaps, this footage has been composed somewhere. Cut / Paste.
Of course, I could be wrong. There could have been live camels lose on deck during the assault. Probably not though.
aleflamedyud wrote:But tell me, if the IDF has a professional and dedicated unit for faking video footage, why are they terminally incompetent at performing any other kind of PR task? This is sounding like simple anti-Israel, or at least anti-government, prejudice. Israel released footage, from both their cameras and the boat's cameras, that corroborates their story. You say that their story remains uncorroborated because the Israeli government are congenital liars who just make things up. Great.
You're very good at strawmen, you know that?
Simple question - please find me a rational reason and / or cargo manifest that lists CAMELS
as part of the aid cargo, and I might think that this hasn't been in any way doctored. Until then, you've a "smoking camel" to contend with. Diverting this conversation into "potted history of a miserable place on earth that people fight over" is a smoke screen. I want answers about the camel: you've claimed that the IDF footage shows a true account of what happened, so I'd like to know where / when / why this camel got involved in the fight.
p.s. I'm not the only one who has noticed the camel.
It is also a matter of record that Israeli forces were more than likely
involved in sabotaging boats before they even left port:
Matan Vilnai, the deputy defence minister, was asked on Israel Radio whether there had not been a smarter alternative to direct assault. He answered that "all possibilities had been considered," adding: "The fact is that there were less than the 10 ships that were due to participate in the flotilla.The comments appeared to dovetail with reports that two of the vessels malfunctioned at the same time and in the same way. Challenger I and Challenger II, carrying 36 activists, were forced into port in Cyprus on Friday evening when steering systems on both ships broke down on the passage from Heraklion in Crete, a campaign spokeswoman said. Challenger II also started taking on water after the bilge pump suddenly stopped working and an inspection yesterday revealed "very suspicious" faults, according to Greta Berlin, a spokeswoman for Free Gaza."
This means two things:
a) Covert OPs
b) Covert Operatives within activists (given sabotage happened at sea)
Hardly edifying, is it?