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Teen steals airplane, flies to Bahamas?

Postby rath358 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:33 pm UTC

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/08/bah ... ot.bandit/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colton_Harris-Moore
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and ... 543769.stm

Basically, it seems that Colton Harris-Moore, a teen with a troubled past, has stolen a plane in Indiana, and flown it to the Bahamas, where he has been sighted, but is still at large.
Before this, he was at large across much of the US since he ran away from a halfway house, and he is thought to have stolen two other small airplanes and several vehicles, broken into houses, and other small burglaries. Apparently, he learned to fly the plane by reading manuals, and playing flight simulator games.

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My thoughts on the matter are somewhat mixed. Although the theft of property is absolutely wrong, I find myself likening him to Christopher McCandless, the subject of the book and movie Into the Wild. It is hard not to find some empathy for him, in the same way that there is a part of me who sympathizes with the man behind Killdozer. I definitely do not condone either incident, though.

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Postby Glmclain » Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:21 pm UTC

Besides the boring stuff, that is just so goddamn cool.

Seriously. A fucking airplane. Shyyyyat.
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Postby The Reaper » Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:30 pm UTC

And they say kids learn nothing useful. This one figured out how to fly planes.

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Re: Teen steals airplane, flies to Bahamas?

Postby meatyochre » Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:58 pm UTC

How exactly is this possible with the way airspace is monitored these days? It's not like he has a flight plan logged with any airline.
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Postby Sockmonkey » Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:23 pm UTC

meatyochre wrote:How exactly is this possible with the way airspace is monitored these days? It's not like he has a flight plan logged with any airline.

That's what I was wondering. If he's smart enough to navigate he's smart enough to stay below radar height and since it says he crash-landed the plane instead of setting down at an airport there would be no way to know beforehand where they needed to have the cops waiting. Could be dumb luck or another sign of his cunning.

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Re: Teen steals airplane, flies to Bahamas?

Postby rath358 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:49 pm UTC

Going by what I have gained from taking to a friend building an ultralight IN HIS FUCKING BASEMENT, I would make an educated guess that ultralights and possibly other smallish aircraft don't undergo nearly the regulation that commercial airliners do.

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Re: Teen steals airplane, flies to Bahamas?

Postby Samsoneffect » Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:16 am UTC

meatyochre wrote:How exactly is this possible with the way airspace is monitored these days? It's not like he has a flight plan logged with any airline.


That's the thing about the flight plan; largely, and at least in Canada, it's basically a piece of paper that says 'I'm coming from here and going here; if I don't show up here a half hour after this time, and don't advise, come looking for me.' Plus, it's not too difficult to hang out and travel through uncontrolled airspace and uncontrolled airfields.
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Re: Teen steals airplane, flies to Bahamas?

Postby Izawwlgood » Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:43 am UTC

rath358 wrote:Into the Wild. It is hard not to find some empathy for him

Oh yeah, I agree, I love empathizing with narcissistic assholes who exploit the goodwill of others to fulfill their juvenile escapist dreams and end up dying in the process! Woohoo!

Props to the kid for learning to fly and having the cahones to pull this off. Props to the law enforcement agent/judge who knocks him upside the head and arrests/incarcerates him.
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Re: Teen steals airplane, flies to Bahamas?

Postby stevey_frac » Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:07 am UTC

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meatyochre wrote:How exactly is this possible with the way airspace is monitored these days? It's not like he has a flight plan logged with any airline.


That's the thing about the flight plan; largely, and at least in Canada, it's basically a piece of paper that says 'I'm coming from here and going here; if I don't show up here a half hour after this time, and don't advise, come looking for me.' Plus, it's not too difficult to hang out and travel through uncontrolled airspace and uncontrolled airfields.



This is true. Part of my job involves flying around in helicopter (although I don't fly them, i'm a passenger). The pilot is supposed to be on a certain frequency on his radio, and advise other aircraft of his whereabouts and intentions, there are no flight plans for any of it. I don't see any reason why any small aircraft would be required to file a flight plan, so long as they are below 10k feet, in uncontrolled air space.

Even in controlled airspace, taking off from an airport, we didn't file a flight plan. We just radio'd the control tower, and requested permission to take off, and advice them of a heading (ie, requesting south rollout, low-level). We even flew survey in restricted airspace near Sudbury airport, and that was fine.
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Re: Teen steals airplane, flies to Bahamas?

Postby meatyochre » Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:48 am UTC

Gotcha. I don't know much about piloting at all. I've just heard that flying near government buildings can get your plane blown up after 9/11 if you aren't cleared to be there.

Kinda silly to believe that kind of rumor I suppose. But there it is.
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Re: Teen steals airplane, flies to Bahamas?

Postby Woopate » Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:49 am UTC

At a flight school in Ontario a few years back, one of my flight instructors had a student steal one of the school's planes. They got a call from Air Traffic Control after he failed to get clearance to taxi or taxi onto runway and failed to respond to radio calls. There's not much you can do about it. He crossed the Canada - U.S. border (the max speed of these small planes is below the stall speed of military craft, so intercepting is a tricky affair, nor even common policy as far as I know), and landed on a U.S. back road in the country somewhere. He got put on the news, and a U.S. Police Officer caught him in a gas station trying to use Canadian money to get some food (well south of the border). The chief flight instructor of the school got a ride down and flew the plane home once they were notified. Flight plans, at least for small aircraft in Canada, are indeed little more than sheets of paper telling them when to send out the search planes if you didn't land, and a vague area to look. The only places that ATC needs to keep a close eye on you are in control zones close to airports, where there is high traffic. Otherwise simple radio calls on common frequencies to avoid traffic are fine.

Still, gotta say, stealing a plane takes guts.

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Postby The Cat » Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:21 am UTC

Plenty of jobs for such a resourceful young man, once he gets out of the poke. 19, 2yrs., 1000 miles, I love this kid. I hope he doesn't hurt anyone.

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Postby stevey_frac » Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:21 pm UTC

The Cat wrote:Plenty of jobs for such a resourceful young man, once he gets out of the poke. 19, 2yrs., 1000 miles, I love this kid. I hope he doesn't hurt anyone.



I'm actually much more impressed that he managed to fly it without instruction....

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Postby JoeKhol » Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:06 pm UTC

The Cat wrote:Plenty of jobs for such a resourceful young man, once he gets out of the poke. 19, 2yrs., 1000 miles, I love this kid. I hope he doesn't hurt anyone.
I'm sure you'd still love him if he broke in to your house and stole your car.
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Re: Teen steals airplane, flies to Bahamas?

Postby Woopate » Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:23 pm UTC

JoeKhol wrote:
The Cat wrote:Plenty of jobs for such a resourceful young man, once he gets out of the poke. 19, 2yrs., 1000 miles, I love this kid. I hope he doesn't hurt anyone.
I'm sure you'd still love him if he broke in to your house and stole your car.


Actually, if my car took $10,000 in training before I could drive it with a reasonable expectation of safety, and he successfully drove it 1000 miles no problems, I'd probably be pretty impressed. Obviously you'd need to learn his motives for doing it, but the feat itself is impressive.

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Postby phonon266737 » Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:52 pm UTC

I was in Air Force ROTC, and we got flight lessons from an ex carrier pilot. He let us land and take off on the first day (i suppose he could have intervened, but he didn't). Small airplanes aren't that hard to fly, unless something goes wrong.

On a somewhat related note, the quote I remember best was related to landing.
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Re: Teen steals airplane, flies to Bahamas?

Postby The Cat » Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:39 pm UTC

I'm actually much more impressed that he managed to fly it without instruction....


I have about 70 hrs... I'm impressed that he could taxi out to the runway. The rudder/break pedals can be sensitive. Keeping it straight before rolling out can take a few go rounds.... To be fair, I don't know the type of airfield. Taxi straight, then Banzai! What were his crimes? All this started with petty theft? LOL, Love this kid.

The in between part is called ground effect, you wanna spend some time in there. Down too hard and you bounce, Up too hard and you stall n drop. The glide slope is key dude.

I'm assuming GPS nav., either his own or he learned the equipment in the air. cruise speed 175-200? He did some research.

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Postby Josephine » Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:04 pm UTC

And we learn something else about The Cat.
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Postby Korrente » Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:41 am UTC

meatyochre wrote:How exactly is this possible with the way airspace is monitored these days? It's not like he has a flight plan logged with any airline.

You don't actually have to have a flight plan to fly most places. Even in 'controlled' Class E airspace you just need a transponder and a radio. If a controlling agency doesn't know the plane is stolen, no one can catch you...even then, they're juggling dozens of planes on several different frequencies, it'd be easy to overlook your ID on a radar map. However, you are required to file a special Defense VFR flight plan when crossing into the Caribbean/Mexico, but as others have said, that's just to let search and rescue know where to look if you don't show up on time. If he were flying IFR, the controllers would gladly escort him right to wherever he wanted to go.

Woopate wrote: There's not much you can do about it. He crossed the Canada - U.S. border (the max speed of these small planes is below the stall speed of military craft, so intercepting is a tricky affair, nor even common policy as far as I know)


F-15/16's are used a lot for intercept, but AFAIK, F-15's can't even broadcast on the same VHF frequencies that GA aircraft use (they're on UHF), which has always confused me...you're being followed but no one can tell you why. I've heard stories of people having to contact a local AWACS plane just to figure out why two fighter jets are following their Cessna around. Typically they've inadvertently strayed into Restricted or Prohibited airspace without clearance.

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Postby The Cat » Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:29 pm UTC

And we learn something else about The Cat.


I'm just full of surprises!


I want more information about this kid. Family, Class, Education.....Why was he stealing this stuff? Was it for food, clothing, and shelter? I don't think drugs were involved. He's definitely not some tweaker or crack head. I wanna get to the roots. He lives in peoples vacation homes in the off season! 19 yrs. old. God, I love this kid. Remarkable courage and determination. What is he risking his life to get away from? There is so much more to this story. Way to separate the wheat from the chaff! Yep, lets just wash this one down our world renowned prison system. No problem, our colleges are full of people like the barefoot bandit. USA!

19 and he taught himself to navigate by air, land, and sea.

They caught him! Damn it!


http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/b ... t/19545389

"[The police] were always after him on Camano Island," Kohler said. "One time, I bought him a new bike, and they stopped him on the side of the road, put it in the back of the car, brought him here, and the cop opened the trunk and said, 'Is this Colt's?' I said 'Yes. I just bought it for him.' Because I am poor they did not think I could have bought it for him, and [they] thought he stole it. That's what they used to do all the time -- harass and mistreat him."


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/l ... no11m.html

Looks to me like he was trying to get out of a toxic environment. Cops shaking down a 12 yr. old kid every day. Never stood a chance in that little town.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ox1Tore9nw

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Postby ++$_ » Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:15 pm UTC

What the hell is wrong with you guys??!?

He broke into people's houses. He stole their stuff. He damaged peoples' property. He stole cars. He stole airplanes and crashed them. And you were rooting for him?

Shame on you.

Here's another article: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012332496_coltonreax12m.html

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Postby Kyrn » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:32 am UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:
rath358 wrote:Into the Wild. It is hard not to find some empathy for him

Oh yeah, I agree, I love empathizing with narcissistic assholes who exploit the goodwill of others to fulfill their juvenile escapist dreams and end up dying in the process! Woohoo!

Props to the kid for learning to fly and having the cahones to pull this off. Props to the law enforcement agent/judge who knocks him upside the head and arrests/incarcerates him.

++$_ wrote:What the hell is wrong with you guys??!?

He broke into people's houses. He stole their stuff. He damaged peoples' property. He stole cars. He stole airplanes and crashed them. And you were rooting for him?

Shame on you.

Here's another article: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012332496_coltonreax12m.html


Or hire him for ingenuity. It's not unprecedented, at least.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Abagnale
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Re: Teen steals airplane, flies to Bahamas?

Postby rath358 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:07 am UTC

++$_ wrote:What the hell is wrong with you guys??!?

He broke into people's houses. He stole their stuff. He damaged peoples' property. He stole cars. He stole airplanes and crashed them. And you were rooting for him?

Shame on you.

Here's another article: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012332496_coltonreax12m.html

rath358 wrote:I definitely do not condone either incident, though.

Empathizing is different than rooting for. Stealing is wrong, but I feel sorry for someone who has pretty much no other choice. It would be nice if things didn't have to happen like this, but they do.

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Postby ++$_ » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:10 am UTC

I was referring mostly to this:
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Postby Sheikh al-Majaneen » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:21 am UTC

++$_ wrote:What the hell is wrong with you guys??!?

He broke into people's houses. He stole their stuff. He damaged peoples' property. He stole cars. He stole airplanes and crashed them. And you were rooting for him?

Shame on you.

Here's another article: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012332496_coltonreax12m.html

Its about seeing how far ingenuity can take you.

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Postby G.v.K » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:06 am UTC

++$_ wrote:What the hell is wrong with you guys??!?

He broke into people's houses. He stole their stuff. He damaged peoples' property. He stole cars. He stole airplanes and crashed them. And you were rooting for him?

Shame on you.

Here's another article: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012332496_coltonreax12m.html


yeah, but the way the townfolk in this article are talking you'd think he was a mass murderer.

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Postby The Cat » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:42 pm UTC

Society as a whole chews up it's lower and middle classes. America was founded by people fleeing from religious and many other types of persecution. That's why Americans love cheering for the underdog. The idea that "anyone can be successful if they work hard" has been ingrained in us since birth. As we get older, we learn that it's bullshit, but most are too afraid to say anything. By that time most Americans probably have two kids and a mortgage. At this point, they can't afford their ideals. So, we cheer for the underdog. This kid is going to jail for stealing a few items to survive. He didn't hurt anyone. Wall Street bankers, on the other hand, fleece Trillions, bankrupted nations, and they get bailed out by the middle class taxpayers. There are many ways to steal, oppress, and subjugate. Deep down everyone knows what is fair and just. This kid was trying to escape the bad hand he was dealt. We are talking about a kid who was trying to get out of a toxic little town. How desperate do you have to be to crash three airplanes! What do you say to yourself after the first two crash landings? Lets fly 1000 miles over the Atlantic? I would take this kid over 10 ivy league grads. Love this kid. Curiously, where are you from?

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Postby Chen » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:37 pm UTC

The Cat wrote: This kid is going to jail for stealing a few items to survive. He didn't hurt anyone.


Uh what about the people he stole from?

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Postby Izawwlgood » Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:07 pm UTC

The Cat wrote:We are talking about a kid who was trying to get out of a toxic little town.

Then he could have done what any of hundreds of thousands have done; fled to New York, gotten a job, and had the time of his life.
You're weird anti-authority diatribe reeks of personal bias and wealth hatred. This kid stole from people and destroyed personal property. He's a hooligan and a thief.
The Cat wrote:I would take this kid over 10 ivy league grads.

I mean, in a petty crime and plane theft spree? Sure. In any other category including rational, moral, reasonable human being litmus? I don't think so.
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Postby Aetius » Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:08 pm UTC

I was kinda hoping he'd steal an antique, paint it red and get in a dog fight with pursuing US fighter jets.

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Postby stevey_frac » Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:31 pm UTC

Aetius wrote:I was kinda hoping he'd steal an antique, paint it red and get in a dog fight with pursuing US fighter jets.


They aren't gonna launch jets unless they think he's gonna fly it into something. Jets are horribly expensive to operate... Especially military ones.
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Postby Aetius » Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:56 pm UTC

stevey_frac wrote:
Aetius wrote:I was kinda hoping he'd steal an antique, paint it red and get in a dog fight with pursuing US fighter jets.


They aren't gonna launch jets unless they think he's gonna fly it into something. Jets are horribly expensive to operate... Especially military ones.


The degree to which you have taken seriously my Red-Baron proposal is concerning.

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Aetius wrote:
stevey_frac wrote:
Aetius wrote:I was kinda hoping he'd steal an antique, paint it red and get in a dog fight with pursuing US fighter jets.


They aren't gonna launch jets unless they think he's gonna fly it into something. Jets are horribly expensive to operate... Especially military ones.


The degree to which you have taken seriously my Red-Baron proposal is concerning.



In retrospect... I agree.
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Postby The Cat » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:24 am UTC

You're weird anti-authority diatribe reeks of personal bias and wealth hatred


I don't really wanna stay with this. I don't hate wealth, I was merely pointing out the double standard by comparing his actions to the banks. Do you not agree that they are both Thieves? Betting on your investments to fail? The same investments you sold? Authority is fine, as long as it's just. I'm sure the airplanes and yachts were insured. Probably by the same people who gave a triple A rating to those dog shit investments that were sold around the world.

I stand by my "This kid is better than 10 Ivy..." Not hatred of anything, just my opinion bases on my own experiences.

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Postby Kyrn » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:52 am UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:
The Cat wrote:We are talking about a kid who was trying to get out of a toxic little town.

Then he could have done what any of hundreds of thousands have done; fled to New York, gotten a job, and had the time of his life.
You're weird anti-authority diatribe reeks of personal bias and wealth hatred. This kid stole from people and destroyed personal property. He's a hooligan and a thief.
The Cat wrote:I would take this kid over 10 ivy league grads.

I mean, in a petty crime and plane theft spree? Sure. In any other category including rational, moral, reasonable human being litmus? I don't think so.

Being good in petty crime and plane theft also precludes having the information of how to do so, and inversely, the insight of how one might prevent this. It's how Frank Abagnale made a living after being reformed.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:34 am UTC

Kyrn wrote:Being good in petty crime and plane theft also precludes having the information of how to do so, and inversely, the insight of how one might prevent this. It's how Frank Abagnale made a living after being reformed.

This kid decided he was above the law. I'm impressed that he was able to fly the planes, no doubt, but the decision to consider yourself above society is psychotic, not praiseworthy. But sure, maybe this kid will open a firm of law enforcement against petty theft and develop The Club for airplanes.

The Cat wrote:Do you not agree that they are both Thieves?

Sorry...
No, I don't. If you're talking about short selling, I don't think you can point to 'the banks' and make the blanket claim that they are comparable to this petty thief.
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Re: Teen steals airplane, flies to Bahamas?

Postby The Cat » Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:42 am UTC

Dude, I worked in mortgage banking for 10 years. It was part of my wealth hatred training :) I know which ones are naughty and nice. No interest in going back and fourth on this. We disagree....Moving on.

edit- "some banks"

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Postby Kyrn » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:48 am UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:
Kyrn wrote:Being good in petty crime and plane theft also precludes having the information of how to do so, and inversely, the insight of how one might prevent this. It's how Frank Abagnale made a living after being reformed.

This kid decided he was above the law. I'm impressed that he was able to fly the planes, no doubt, but the decision to consider yourself above society is psychotic, not praiseworthy. But sure, maybe this kid will open a firm of law enforcement against petty theft and develop The Club for airplanes.


I know, but I'm just drawing the parallels with Frank Abagnale, since it's rather similar. Except his reason was even more petty: Money for girls. But the point is that Frank Abagnale was eventually reformed, and now contributes to society as well.
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Postby Triangle_Man » Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:43 am UTC

If this kid was able to steal an airplane and fly to the bahama's a a criminal, then imagine what he could've accomplished if he'd become a productive member of society...
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Re: Teen steals airplane, flies to Bahamas?

Postby Steax » Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:41 pm UTC

I wouldn't be surprised if someone did this just to get an awesome facebook photo of them flying a plane.

But yeah, I'm confused at how quickly he was able to fly the plane. Those PC simulators are pretty bad at emulating the real thing. It takes some fiddling to even taxi to a runway...
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