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Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby Bright Shadows » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:40 am UTC

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Online activist group Anonymous has targeted an American security firm that claimed to know the identities of its leaders.

The secretive organisation is being investigated in several countries over strikes on Visa, PayPal and others.

Over the weekend Aaron Barr, head of HBGary Federal, said he had discovered the names of its most senior figures.

The group retaliated overnight by breaking into the company's website and hijacking his Twitter account.

Anonymous, known for being a loosely-knit group, has been involved in a number of high profile online protests and attacks in recent months.

In December, the group launched a campaign in support of Wikileaks that disrupted services at MasterCard, Visa and other companies that had withdrawn support the whistle-blowing website.

The strike led to police investigations around the world, and a number of arrests in Britain and the Netherlands.

Although the individuals who make up the collective claim they do not have a traditional hierarchy, Mr Barr told the Financial Times that he had infiltrated the organisation and uncovered the names and addresses of several senior figures.

He said he did not intend to hand the information over to the authorities unless forced to, but did plan to present his findings at a conference in San Francisco later this month.

The attacks began shortly after his claims were made public, with a sustained attack that targeted him both personally and professionally.

Mr Barr's Twitter account was filled with a sequence of racial and sexual slurs, along with a string of personal details such as his mobile phone and social security numbers.

Meanwhile, a message on the company's website said that Anonymous had "seized" HBGary's operation in order to defend itself.

"You brought this upon yourself," the statement said.

"Let us teach you a lesson you'll never forget: don't mess with Anonymous."

The group said it had gained control of all the company's e-mail, erased its files, taken down their phone systems and placed copies of many internal documents online.

Mr Barr could not be contacted for comment, but the hacked site was later replaced with a placeholder page.

Anonymous, which started as an offshoot of the notorious 4Chan internet messageboard, has been linked to a number of virtual and real-world protests over recent years.

As well as the Wikileaks attacks, it also orchestrated strikes on government services in Tunisia and Egypt in support of popular protests in those countries.

It has also launched vociferous protests for the right to uncensored access to pornography online and taken action against an anti-piracy firm hired by Bollywood studios.

It is involved in a long-running battle with the Church of Scientology, amid claims that the religious group stifles dissent.

The loosely-organised group has previously claimed it has no real leadership, although some individuals have come forward from time to time to explain their motives.

One, known as Coldblood, told the BBC in December that "thousands" of people had joined the protests to support Wikileaks' right to publish the US government's classified diplomatic cables.

"We are trying to keep the internet open and free but in recent years governments have been trying to limit the freedom we have on the internet," he said at the time.

Coldblood confirmed to the BBC that he was among five people arrested across the UK last month as part of the police investigation into the Wikileaks protests.


tl;dr: Anon has successfully DDoS'd a security firm and what I assume is a high ranking employee has his twitter account wrecked. He had claimed to have the names of leadership within the group. They posted a warning to not mess with them, etc etc, and claimed to have wrecked some havoc throughout the company (probably BSing again).

Opinion: This is pretty over the line, even for anon, and there might be another bout of arrests going on soon. Wouldn't be a surprise, anyway. I really hope they tone down the lashing out for a while.
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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:44 am UTC

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Postby KnightExemplar » Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:10 am UTC

http://blogs.mcafee.com/mcafee-labs/don ... ssian-gang

I posted that link in the other topic. Back in December, there were indications that Russian Criminal Hackers were getting involved into Anonymous. No real evidence, just a bunch of suspicious looking IP addresses and some organizational effort that was apparently unrelated to Operation Payback. Overall, this is the problem when your group is well... anonymous. If you can't verify the identity of the leaders, then anyone (criminal or otherwise) can lead.

Still, attacking a security firm would take some serious work, more work than a bunch of teenagers in a room could pull off IMO. Especially when 40+ of said teenagers are on their way to getting arrested by the FBI already (good job n00bs). If these crooks don't get caught, then we know they aren't the same "anonymous", they are a much smarter, malicious group who are using the name of Anonymous to their advantage.

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The Low Orbit Ion Canon is about organizing hundreds or thousands of people together to push the "refresh" button at the same time. Eventually, the web server buckles under the load. Operation Payback is script kiddy n00b material. Anyone with internet explorer and brief knowledge of the F5 button can organize a DDOS attack, especially when you have hundreds of people working together.

What this story is about however, is true hacking. We've got real damage, we've got stolen passwords, and stolen emails. This is far beyond the ability that the little IRC chatroom could do.
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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby ++$_ » Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:22 am UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:If you can't verify the identity of the leaders, then anyone (criminal or otherwise) can lead.

Still, attacking a security firm would take some serious work, more work than a bunch of teenagers in a room could pull off IMO.
Anonymous does not have leaders, organization, structure, or whatever. They are not "in a room." They have nothing in common with each other. Their levels of intelligence and cracking ability run the gamut from pathetically low to very high. They have different political opinions and different goals. It's a stretch to even call them a single group.

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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby KnightExemplar » Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:25 am UTC

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KnightExemplar wrote:If you can't verify the identity of the leaders, then anyone (criminal or otherwise) can lead.

Still, attacking a security firm would take some serious work, more work than a bunch of teenagers in a room could pull off IMO.
Anonymous does not have leaders, organization, structure, or whatever. They are not "in a room." They have nothing in common with each other. Their levels of intelligence and cracking ability run the gamut from pathetically low to very high. They have different political opinions and different goals. It's a stretch to even call them a single group.


I understand. Which is why I'm drawing a contrast between the "Anonymous" of Operation Payback and the "Anonymous" that hacked this guy's twitter account. The difference between them is like night and day. It just shows how silly the name is, and yet how effective it is to create a story.

Any hacker who wants to do something crazy now can just borrow the name "Anonymous" and get things done. Then bam, instant story.
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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby Bright Shadows » Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:58 am UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:What this story is about however, is true hacking. We've got real damage, we've got stolen passwords, and stolen emails. This is far beyond the ability that the little IRC chatroom could do.

You do realize Anon has also suggested they released credit card information when they crashed Mastercard? And that it bogus, an attempt at showing the reliability of our information sources?

I'm pretty sure busting a twitter password isn't that difficult. With 100 people, you could probably brute force it manually. The rest is, I am quite sure, something along the lines of what we've already seen.

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Okay, nevermind. The emails are apparently legitimate. I still doubt the veracity of the rest.
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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby Triangle_Man » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:05 am UTC

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Why'd they call them an activist group?
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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby KnightExemplar » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:17 am UTC

Bright Shadows wrote:
KnightExemplar wrote:What this story is about however, is true hacking. We've got real damage, we've got stolen passwords, and stolen emails. This is far beyond the ability that the little IRC chatroom could do.

You do realize Anon has also suggested they released credit card information when they crashed Mastercard? And that it bogus, an attempt at showing the reliability of our information sources?

I'm pretty sure busting a twitter password isn't that difficult. With 100 people, you could probably brute force it manually. The rest is, I am quite sure, something along the lines of what we've already seen.


You do realize... there are 218,340,105,584,896 8-character long passwords if you include caps / lowercase / numbers. That doesn't include symbols like ! or $ inside of a password (over 200 Quadrillion). If 100 people each typed in a password 100 times a second, it would take 692 YEARS to type them all in. Granted, you'll come across the password maybe... halfway through (50% chance after you typed for 300+ years), but this is well beyond the realm of human brute-force.

Computer-brute force? Maybe, but twitter has a restriction on how quickly you can guess passwords. So you'd need to hack to even get 100 guesses per second. An off-line attack would require some sort of other system access, and it would be an impressive feat to steal Twitter's password hash database.

Most likely, they stole it from his email somehow, as this is usually the weakest link. IE: The way Palin's email was stolen. You reset the password, guess on the security questions (taking answers from Wikipedia if its a famous person), and then read emails until you find something that looks like a password. Script Kiddies could do this... but I'd expect better security from a security firm. Sure, it worked on Palin, but I'd hope that Aaron Barr was more competent.
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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby SlyReaper » Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:31 am UTC

Triangle_Man wrote:...

Why'd they call them an activist group?


Because it makes them sound more scary.
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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby Kulantan » Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:39 am UTC

SlyReaper wrote:
Triangle_Man wrote:...

Why'd they call them an activist group?


Because it makes them sound more scary.

But less scary than cyber-terrorists.
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Postby sourmìlk » Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:43 pm UTC

I'm still having trouble getting past the first bit: leaders? Anonymous is just a bunch of people that browse an imageboard, right? How are there "leaders"?
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sourmìlk wrote:I'm still having trouble getting past the first bit: leaders? Anonymous is just a bunch of people that browse an imageboard, right? How are there "leaders"?

Because the concept of a leaderless organization frightens laypeople because of a presumed lack of accountability for actions, under the thought of how can someone act morally if there are no punishments. Therefor, leaders are found (more as scapegoats than actual leaders), so the ruling classes can go back on their merry ways being thought of as the hero/victor.

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Postby sourmìlk » Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:05 pm UTC

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sourmìlk wrote:I'm still having trouble getting past the first bit: leaders? Anonymous is just a bunch of people that browse an imageboard, right? How are there "leaders"?

Because the concept of a leaderless organization frightens laypeople because of a presumed lack of accountability for actions, under the thought of how can someone act morally if there are no punishments. Therefor leaders are found more as scapegoats than actual leaders, so the ruling classes can go back on their merry ways thinking of themselves the hero/victor.

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Oh. Then anonymous should have laughed at the security firm for thinking they had leaders. Of course, "should have" is not a relevant term for anonymous
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sourmìlk wrote:Oh. Then anonymous should have laughed at the security firm for thinking they had leaders. Of course, "should have" is not a relevant term for anonymous
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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby minno » Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:21 am UTC

Anonymous actually published the "secret" document that the security firm was trying to sell to the FBI. They didn't do this to keep a secret, they did it to make an example.

Article text including link to the "secret" document: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/2/6/20216/40699
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Postby sourmìlk » Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:48 am UTC

minno wrote:Anonymous actually published the "secret" document that the security firm was trying to sell to the FBI. They didn't do this to keep a secret, they did it to make an example.

Article text including link to the "secret" document: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/2/6/20216/40699


It's amazing how gullible and lazy the people at that security firm are. Apparently, one of the anons was "actually" named Guy Fawkes. I assume later I'll find a Mr. Pedro Bear.
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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby SlyReaper » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:49 am UTC

Pedro is a perfectly valid first name, and Bear is a perfectly valid last name. I bet there is actually someone in the world somewhere called Pedro Bear. Who may or may not be a /b/tard.

Anyway yeah, I read the thing Anon replaced that security firm's website with. One bit goes along the lines of "And why can't you sell your information to the FBI? Because we're going to give it to them for free." That tickles me somehow.
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Postby Dhes » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:14 pm UTC

After reading the “secret” document, I’m surprised that the FBI would pay money for something like this.

It contains the extremely important information like,
Guy Fawkes lives in London
Av1n1t236 is in a relationship and has homework
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Postby SlyReaper » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:29 pm UTC

That's the thing about buying information. You can't always tell how useful it is before buying it.
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How one man tracked down Anonymous—and paid a heavy price

Postby Quantum Potatoid » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:25 pm UTC

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news ... -price.ars
I'm aware there's already a thread for this, but I thought this article should have its own thread seeing much much more in-depth it is. If the mods think so though, this can be merged if needed.

Personally, I'm actually amused by this. Lesson, don't mess with the internet.
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Re: How one man tracked down Anonymous—and paid a heavy pric

Postby broken_escalator » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:43 pm UTC

That was interesting, the IRC logs link was pretty funny (though really, really long).

I laughed about his programmer fearing anonymous and not wanting to touch the code for LOIC.
His programmer, fearing Anonymous, balked.

On January 20, the coder wrote back, "I'm not compiling that shit on my box!" He even refused to grab a copy of the source code from message boards or other IRC users, because "I ain't touchin' any of that shit as those are already monitored."

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Re: How one man tracked down Anonymous—and paid a heavy pric

Postby Iulus Cofield » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:03 pm UTC

I think this article should be taken with a spoonful of salt. I'm not doubting the quotes, but the tone is blatantly sensationalist and there may be factual errors. For example, "his coder" is sounds suspiciously like some guy he met on the internet and kept bugging him to modify LOIC. A lot of the article was written to sound like he had actually identified "leaders of" Anonymous, which is denied by everyone but him.

Also, there is already a thread for this.

Edit: Also, the heavy price seems to be the ruin of his career, which he brought on by his own incompetence.

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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby Роберт » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:08 pm UTC

Dhes wrote:Guy Fawkes lives in London

Anon does a good job of generating lulz, and this is pretty funny information to try to sell to the FBI. Even if Anon isn't directly responsible for this, it's still pretty funny.
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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby Iulus Cofield » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:10 pm UTC

This was posted in a duplicate topic

It's a bad article, but it has a lot of information and direct quotations.

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Postby felltir » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:18 pm UTC

Dhes wrote:After reading the “secret” document, I’m surprised that the FBI would pay money for something like this.

It contains the extremely important information like,
Guy Fawkes lives in London
Av1n1t236 is in a relationship and has homework
K1tt1 Works for leftist papers


I was in the anon channel at the time, (for any police I wasn't participating or LOICing, just watching) and there was some brilliant personal info being handed out. I remember there were at least 17 Spartacuses.
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Re: How one man tracked down Anonymous—and paid a heavy pric

Postby broken_escalator » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:29 pm UTC

Oh yes I agree, the article is a bit more like a fun story than fact. But still, it amuses me.

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Re: How one man tracked down Anonymous—and paid a heavy pric

Postby KnightExemplar » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:26 pm UTC

broken_escalator wrote:That was interesting, the IRC logs link was pretty funny (though really, really long).

I laughed about his programmer fearing anonymous and not wanting to touch the code for LOIC.
His programmer, fearing Anonymous, balked.

On January 20, the coder wrote back, "I'm not compiling that shit on my box!" He even refused to grab a copy of the source code from message boards or other IRC users, because "I ain't touchin' any of that shit as those are already monitored."


Seriously though, I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. There is something severely wrong with the LOIC: and 40+ search warrents is proof enough of that. Somehow, the FBI figured them out and are issuing warrents. Anyone who has been following current events should be similarly paranoid...
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Re: How one man tracked down Anonymous—and paid a heavy pric

Postby Aikanaro » Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:12 pm UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:
broken_escalator wrote:That was interesting, the IRC logs link was pretty funny (though really, really long).

I laughed about his programmer fearing anonymous and not wanting to touch the code for LOIC.
His programmer, fearing Anonymous, balked.

On January 20, the coder wrote back, "I'm not compiling that shit on my box!" He even refused to grab a copy of the source code from message boards or other IRC users, because "I ain't touchin' any of that shit as those are already monitored."


Seriously though, I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. There is something severely wrong with the LOIC: and 40+ search warrents is proof enough of that. Somehow, the FBI figured them out and are issuing warrents. Anyone who has been following current events should be similarly paranoid...

Just so I'm perfectly clear on something, to take part in the LOIC, it's not anything you do on the website, it's just when you happen to do it, timed with lots of other people, that has the effect, correct? In other words, theoretically, an untold number of people could all unknowingly, by coincidence, take part in an LOIC, just by happening to be legitimately using the website at the same time. So in theory, someone could get arrested for taking part in LOIC without having any negative intentions, OR doing anything truly illegitimate and/or wrong?
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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby SlyReaper » Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:15 pm UTC

I thought the LOIC was a piece of software? To use it, you would have to have intentionally downloaded it (or the source code) and installed it (or compiled it) and then clicked "go" on it.

And you're not going to get in trouble for being the source of one of the pings when the site is being bombarded with millions of pings every second.
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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby Aikanaro » Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:25 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:I thought the LOIC was a piece of software? To use it, you would have to have intentionally downloaded it (or the source code) and installed it (or compiled it) and then clicked "go" on it.

And you're not going to get in trouble for being the source of one of the pings when the site is being bombarded with millions of pings every second.

Ah, thank you for the clarification. My previous attempts to understand this mighty weapon all failed, as my basic searches just came up with slang, memes, etc..
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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby SlyReaper » Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:11 pm UTC

I wonder if visiting the website and weighing down the F5 key would do the same thing...
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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby Korrente » Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:24 pm UTC

LOIC can be thought of as a voluntary botnet. You get the software and point it where the coordinator in IRC tells you, then they take control of it and use all the LOIC's they have to attack with.



Everyone seems to be polarized that either anon is a terrible cyberterrorist (dis?)organization, or that this whole thing has many luls. Personally I think it's pretty funny. The way I see it, anon just saved my tax dollars by stopping the FBI from buying useless information, as well as exposing an absolutely incompetent security company.

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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby Izawwlgood » Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:42 pm UTC

I just realized that Anonymous is the best example I can think of for why arming the populace generally leads to less tyranny, not more.
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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby zmatt » Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:55 pm UTC

Anon doesn't have leaders, they are simply a mass of people who frequent 4chan. They are extremely unorganized, their ranks change frequently, and they rarely agree on things. Whoever these guys are, they can't be anon for that reason. Besides Anon actions aren't really that secretive, it's all organized on 4chan or on the IRC so anyone who had half a brain would see raids coming from miles away.
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Postby The Reaper » Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:19 pm UTC

zmatt wrote: so anyone who had half a brain would see raids coming from miles away.
I think you're asking too much of these people.... (on the having half a brain part)

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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby sourmìlk » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:26 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:I just realized that Anonymous is the best example I can think of for why arming the populace generally leads to less tyranny, not more.


True, but at what cost?

There are situations in which anonymous does something immoral to stop something immoral. I'm not making a specific judgement here, but Operation Payback, where they DDoS'd some people for not wanting to associate with Assange, essentially, was going too far.
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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby Iulus Cofield » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:31 pm UTC

Arguably.

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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby sourmìlk » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:34 pm UTC

Iulus Cofield wrote:Arguably.


In the sense that you could argue about it, yes. In the sense that it's ambiguous, I'm not sure I see how.
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Re: Anon DDoS attacks on a security firm

Postby Iulus Cofield » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:38 pm UTC

Well, the people who did it didn't think it was going too far. I think there was a fairly vigorous discussions about it across the internet, with some thinking it was bad and others thinking it was a legitimate form of protest. No time to dig up links right now, but widespread disagreement is a good indicator of ambiguity.


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