bobjoesmith wrote:Sigh, and I did sigh after reading through this thread. People cry so much nowadays.
Oi. Fuck you.
We whine about privacy and about how we shouldn't be scanned or patted down, but on the other hand you post scores of pictures onto Facebook, twitter every detail of your life- hell even googling something is recorded.
When I post something to Facebook, I decided to put it there. When I tweet something, I decided to tweet it. When I google something, it's recorded because I've asked them to do so - otherwise it would be anonymized.
You know what? If you step back and look, how bad could it be.
educate us all on how a procedure you've never experienced couldn't possibly be as bad as hundreds of people who have experienced it say it is. I've been looking for something to fill the slot after the quantum mechanics lecture from a kindergartener.
Oh no, someone can see black and white, high-res x-rays of me.
Someone can expose me to a level of radiation that is not fully documented and has not faced any medical trial without my consent, without probable cause, and without any evidence that it does anything useful and quite a lot to the contrary.
I'm going to die of shame now.
You do not have the right to tell other people they lose their right to privacy for no reason.
Barring that, what is the problem with one pat down
Yeah, I'm going to need you to shut the fuck up and listen.
a standard physical gets far more touchy than that.
I voluntarily submit to a physical - I am never compelled. Even in situations where I might be driven by outside factors to seek one - if I'm going to join the military, or seeking a job that requires a physical - I know that it will be performed discretely (certainly not in public) and professionally by a trained and certified medical professional who will respect any boundaries I set and, ultimately, against whom I have legal recourse if I feel I am touched or in any way treated inappropriately. None
of these things are true about TSA agents.
We cling to these nebulous rights- "I deserve not to be patted down."
Fucking right I cling to the right to not have my personal space invaded without cause. And I don't mind a pat down if a metal detector picks something up - I mind the possibility of being literally groped because I refuse to submit to an untested device based on ionizing radiation.
Sure there can be some discretion on the part of the TSA agent
No, there can't. Also, the word you were looking for was indiscretion, but the indiscretion is not on the part of TSA agents but on the organization at large forcing this procedure upon them.
sure this could all just be a deterrent
Deterrent to what? You catch someone with a bomb they'll just send somebody else with another one. Someone will get through eventually. Actually, the first one got through because neither the AIT scanners nor the grope-down catch a fucking thing.
but if it helps
By no sane measure does this help anyone except the AIT scanner manufacturers.
I'm all for it.
I'm not saying invade my privacy. I'm not saying go and pat down little kids.
"I'm not saying you should do this, I'm just saying fuck it, I don't care if you do."
I'm saying before someone rants about the TSA, they stand back and shut up and think.
Gosh, you know what I hate? Traveling 500 miles per hour, a few miles up in the sky, to cross a ocean
What the shit?
and gosh those body scans really do suck. Gosh now I'm going to tweet about it. And put it on facebook.
Given the majority of people have never experienced these procedures or maybe even know about them, raising awareness is a legitimate strategy.
Also, you seem to be conflating the AIT scanners and the grope-down. Are you doing that on purpose to try to make people complaining of the latter look ridiculous, or are you just illiterate?
Where there are pictures of said person drunk.
decided to put there.
It doesn't even matter if it is effective or not.
Wait. Whether what's effective or not? Telling people about it or the TSA's new pet procedures? Because telling people about it might be - the procedures are not in any way.
Can we really not wait 10 extra minutes or suffer a little bit of scrutiny from someone whom we will never meet again?
Do you really not understand that people have legitimate complaints about the way in which they are treated (not the time it takes), or are you just not aware that straw men don't work too well 'round these parts?