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Postby KrytenKoro » Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:51 pm UTC

folkhero wrote:First of all, this. And second of all, I think that if there were 37 police officers on a 750 meter stretch of residential road, 24/7, I think people would start minding. I would certainly mind; I would start to think that I was in some sort of police state.


1) The Executive Branch already selectively enforces laws, and always has, and people usually support it as them being liberal (for example, the immigration thing with Obama).
2) They still wouldn't be the legislative branch because they can't invent laws, and they still wouldn't be the judicial branch because they can't hand out fines or punishments.
3) Ignoring that it's ludicrous to claim that one branch being more efficient at what it's duties are set out to be does not make it "overextend its powers".
4) "Right to privacy", to my knowledge and at least in the US (I don't know about Germany), doesn't allow assumption of privacy to public spaces, and that seems logical to me. There would be no legal privacy being lost.
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Postby Zamfir » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:57 pm UTC

Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands abdicates, her son will be King Willem-Alexander, not King Willem IV as some expected.
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Postby johnny_7713 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:30 pm UTC

Zamfir wrote:Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands abdicates, her son will be King Willem-Alexander, not King Willem IV as some expected.
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And as Willem-Alexander's birthday is not at a time of the year when it's too cold for people to drink beer outside the official national holiday of Queen's Day will become King's Day and move to the 27th of April starting next year. [Beatrix' birthday is in January, so Queen's Day was left on her mother's birthday because the pubs could earn more money due to the better beer drinking weather, or so I've heard]. Of course, the 27th of April 2014 is a Sunday, so the first King's Day will be celebrated on the 26th.

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Postby Diadem » Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:30 pm UTC

Doubtful. April 30th has become such a tradition, I doubt he'll want to change it. Especially considering he was supposedly rather fond of his grandmother. And let's not forget it also seems to be turning into coronation day.
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Postby Wieke » Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:37 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:Doubtful. April 30th has become such a tradition, I doubt he'll want to change it. Especially considering he was supposedly rather fond of his grandmother. And let's not forget it also seems to be turning into coronation day.


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Postby poxic » Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:39 pm UTC

OK, so most of North America really isn't into this whole monarchy thing, so I could be expected to not get it. Still: the whole country is basically lined up around a single person (and their family) and pointing at them and saying "these are great folks, really great, so great that all of us go party on their birthday(s) and mark every freaking thing they do with a celebration"? Is there a national holiday when the baby crown prince stops needing diapers?

I actually read someone say "well the Queen wears ermine at Christmas, so I guess there really is no hard rule about not wearing white after Labour Day". The ... *splutter* ... *gah* ... You won't do a thing until you see the monarch do it? Because ... the monarch might not be instantly impressed with your ability to suck up to him/her, should by chance this monarch's eyes ever graze across you? Or what exactly is this?

Sorry for going all colonial there, but wtf.
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Postby Iulus Cofield » Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:46 pm UTC

Yes, monarchs frighten and confuse me.

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Postby Zamfir » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:24 pm UTC

"well the Queen wears ermine at Christmas, so I guess there really is no hard rule about not wearing white after Labour Day"

This is weird. It works with the American labour day in September, but everywhere else labour day is the first of May.

As for the monarchy thing, keep in mind that it's not exactly demanding. Queen's day is essentially boozing-in-streets-day. As Johnny mentioned, it stayed on the birthday of the previous queen at least partially because Beatrix's birthday is in januari, and therefore too cold for boozing in the streets.

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Postby bigglesworth » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:32 pm UTC

poxic wrote:You won't do a thing until you see the monarch do it?
Until they lost most of their power, this is how fashion used to work. Now we won't do things until we see other leaders do it *shrug*.
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Postby poxic » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:34 pm UTC

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poxic wrote:You won't do a thing until you see the monarch do it?
Until they lost most of their power, this is how fashion used to work. Now we won't do things until we see other leaders do it *shrug*.

Precisely. It's a massive game of "ooh yer clever, yer Highness! Hey everyone, let's do what the Highness is doing! This can't possibly do anything but make the Highness loves us and shower us with favours, right?"
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Postby dudiobugtron » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:47 pm UTC

If you think that Americans are somehow missing this 'celebrity worship' gene - a quick google search for any celebrity will show you otherwise.

This is a quote from the first article which showed up for me when searching for 'Michelle Obama'. Reading the rest of them will make you lose any faith in humanity you were still clinging to.

Look for the first lady to continue to be a fashion trendsetter. Everything from her hair to her clothes is scrutinized, with some clothing pieces selling out quickly after she's seen wearing them.

Her new bangs became the talk of this town immediately after she went public with them on her 49th birthday, a few days before the president began his second term. Even the president said his wife's haircut was "the most significant event" of inaugural weekend and gave his approval.

Mrs. Obama also won largely positive reviews for her inaugural wardrobe: Reed Krakoff and Thom Browne by day, and Michael Kors and Jason Wu by night. Wu designed her red chiffon and velvet ball gown. He also designed the white ball gown she wore four years ago.

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Postby Dark567 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:01 pm UTC

dudiobugtron wrote:If you think that Americans are somehow missing this 'celebrity worship' gene - a quick google search for any celebrity will show you otherwise.
Who argues that? My impression was that everyone else in the world thought the US glorified celebrity compared to other countries.
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Postby Diadem » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:09 pm UTC

poxic wrote:OK, so most of North America really isn't into this whole monarchy thing, so I could be expected to not get it. Still: the whole country is basically lined up around a single person (and their family) and pointing at them and saying "these are great folks, really great, so great that all of us go party on their birthday(s) and mark every freaking thing they do with a celebration"? Is there a national holiday when the baby crown prince stops needing diapers?

You don't get national holidays? Because I think every country on earth has them.

As for 'lined up around a single person'. I have no idea where you got that from. We're a democracy. The influence the queen has on my daily life is about zero. Here role is almost entirely ceremonial. She appears on television only a few times a year - during major events, state visits or sometimes to open important museums an the like. Strong support for the royalty is mostly a thing for old and lower class people. Not that there's many republicans over here, the monarchy has support from a comfortable majority. But a great many people simply don't care much about it one way or the other, and are happy enough to accept the status quo while it lasts.

Here role is not entirely ceremonial. There's some relics from the past that give her real influence and power. But it's not a lot, and it only gets less. The last time she got uppity about one of her political privileges parliament simply stripped her of that privilege.
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Postby poxic » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:16 pm UTC

Dark567 wrote:
dudiobugtron wrote:If you think that Americans are somehow missing this 'celebrity worship' gene - a quick google search for any celebrity will show you otherwise.
Who argues that? My impression was that everyone else in the world thought the US glorified celebrity compared to other countries.

Point taken, and also bemoaned. It's the addition of the inheritability of worship, maybe, that seems extra bugsome.

Modern monarchies tend toward less of the supreme ruler type, more toward figurehead status. It's still a relic of the supreme ruler times, which more or less equaled "I was able to kill off enough enemies and/or convince enough friends in order to seize power, and now you'll respect my kids too, mmkay?"

Bah. I'll go be grumpy over here.
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Postby bigglesworth » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:21 pm UTC

Inheritable monarchy was a huge improvement over the previous version of ruling, which was the same but without the respect for the kids.
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Postby Wnderer » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:54 pm UTC

Quick. Which came first? The Constitution of the USA or the Monarchy of the Netherlands.

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Postby bigglesworth » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:11 pm UTC

There have been Counts of Holland and subsequent titles of the same area with primogeniture since about 900 I think.
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Postby folkhero » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:34 pm UTC

bigglesworth wrote:Inheritable monarchy was a huge improvement over the previous version of ruling, which was the same but without the respect for the kids.

"He's the king because he is my son," is a pretty terrible way of deciding who the ruler is, but I have to agree it's better than a war every time the king dies.
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Postby dudiobugtron » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:52 pm UTC

poxic wrote:It's the addition of the inheritability of worship, maybe, that seems extra bugsome.

Agreed! I didn't want to resort to referencing Paris Hilton though. ;)
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There are other options, right?

'course, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government.

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Postby freezeblade » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:04 am UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:'course, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government.


I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
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Playing Crusader Kings 2 has caused me to learn more about successions and succession laws than I ever dreamed I might know. And believe me, the only succession systems which prevent wars from regularly breaking out over who gets to be in charge are the ones where no one eligible to succeed has an army. In other news...

Nevada woman sets out to prove how easy it is to commit in-person voter fraud, gets arrested and convicted of voter fraud.

A Nevada Republican arrested for voter fraud in the 2012 election, after claiming she was trying to test the system's integrity, pled guilty and accepted a plea deal Thursday, forcing her to pay almost $2,500 and promise to stay out of trouble.

Roxanne Rubin, 56, a casino worker on the Las Vegas Strip, was arrested on Nov. 3, 2012 after trying to vote twice, once at her poling site in Henderson and then at a second site in Las Vegas. The poll workers at the second site said that she had already voted, but Rubin said that she hadn't and insisted on casting a ballot, which the poll workers refused to allow her to do.

Rubin said that she was trying to show how easy it would be to commit voter fraud with just a signature. "This has always been an issue with me. I just feel the system is flawed," she told the AP Thursday. "If we’re showing ID for everything else, why wouldn’t we show our ID in order to vote?”
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Democratic Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller, who has called for a photo ID law, slammed Rubin in a statement. "If Ms. Rubin was trying to demonstrate how easy it is to commit voter fraud, she clearly failed and proved just the opposite," he said...

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Postby iChef » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:30 am UTC

I think figurehead monarchs are kinda fun. You get extra holidays. A great source of tourism dollars and a bit of national prestige if your monarchs are well liked. Queen Elizabeth has done a great job with her position over the years. Even though we only had one king (from 1935-1977) I think the United States should have a ceremonial monarch. We could round up a bunch of celebrities (A-listers not VH-1 tier) and put them on a TV show and vote them off, the American way!

Not that there's many republicans over here, the monarchy has support from a comfortable majority. But a great many people simply don't care much about it one way or the other, and are happy enough to accept the status quo while it lasts.


If you are short on Republicans over there I would be more than happy to send you some (all) of ours. Please give me an address in the Netherlands to ship to, I will have them delivered by Tuesday.
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iChef wrote:Even though we only had one king (from 1935-1977)


Sir, you forget our beloved Emperor St. Norton I, the only officially recognized noble in the history of these United States.

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iChef wrote:I think figurehead monarchs are kinda fun. You get extra holidays. A great source of tourism dollars and a bit of national prestige if your monarchs are well liked. Queen Elizabeth has done a great job with her position over the years. Even though we only had one king (from 1935-1977) I think the United States should have a ceremonial monarch. We could round up a bunch of celebrities (A-listers not VH-1 tier) and put them on a TV show and vote them off, the American way!


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Postby iChef » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:09 am UTC

Sorry, Beiber is Canadian.
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Postby Iulus Cofield » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:18 am UTC

Emperor St. Norton I was British, or possibly Corsican. There's no constitutional requirement of jus soli for the office of Emperor.

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iChef wrote:Sorry, Beiber is Canadian.
I'm sure we could get him a Hawaiian birth certificate.
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Iulus Cofield wrote:Emperor St. Norton I was British, or possibly Corsican. There's no constitutional requirement of jus soli for the office of Emperor.


I'd like to pretend that this was part of my plan all along, but really, I just don't know much about Beiber. A terrible deficiency, I'm sure. I'll have to learn all about him when he's emperor, I guess.

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And we can have a booze-in-the-streets day when his voice drops.
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Postby Wnderer » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:17 am UTC

bigglesworth wrote:There have been Counts of Holland and subsequent titles of the same area with primogeniture since about 900 I think.


Calling the Netherlands, Holland. Tsk. Tsk.

History of the Netherlands in a Nutshell.

Back during the Reformation, the sister of the king of Spain was running the area that is now Belgium, Netherlands and Luxemburg when the local guy William of Orange, who had the job of running the area right along the border of all the Protestant/Catholic crap, came up with one of the best ideas ever. Religious Tolerance. He tried to talk the sister of the king of Spain into it, but she wouldn't go for it, so they held a revolution and threw the Spanish out. Well this religious tolerance thing was a big hit. People poured into the country, intellectuals came, the economy boomed, great science,art, philosophy and technology were created. Only one thing went wrong from William of Orange's point of view. He wasn't in charge. The country was a republic called the United Provinces of the Netherlands and he had share power with a bunch of rich business men. Worse, they didn't have an electoral college so the largest most populous province Holland had all the power. This pissed off the other provinces. So William played his political hand by becoming a populist and playing poor people and the small provinces against the rich merchants of Holland. This is the way politics in the Netherlands went on for generations. Then in France they were making revolution and democracy look bad and elected this guy Napoleon who got sick of the whole democracy thing and made himself Emperor. He then took armies around Europe to impose the metric system. Well Napoleon conquered the Netherlands, split Holland into North Holland and South Holland and put his brother in charge. Napoleon then got his ass kicked by the Russians and the English. Well the Russians and the English were not going to have any of this republic or democracy crap so they put in a monarchy and that's why there's royalty in the Netherlands.

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What a great story!
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freezeblade wrote:
Tyndmyr wrote:'course, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government.


I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

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Postby Red Hal » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:22 am UTC

Help, help, I'm being oppressed.

In other news, a seal pup ends up on the dashboard of a car: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-s ... d-21230395
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Iulus Cofield wrote:Playing Crusader Kings 2 has caused me to learn more about successions and succession laws than I ever dreamed I might know. And believe me, the only succession systems which prevent wars from regularly breaking out over who gets to be in charge are the ones where no one eligible to succeed has an army. In other news...

Nevada woman sets out to prove how easy it is to commit in-person voter fraud, gets arrested and convicted of voter fraud.



Ok, that story lacks serious details, like how did the LV poll workers know she had already voted?
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Postby addams » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:13 pm UTC

Red Hal wrote:Help, help, I'm being oppressed.

In other news, a seal pup ends up on the dashboard of a car: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-s ... d-21230395

Back to the wild? He does not like 'the wild'.
Why not keep him? Offer him 'the wild' once every six months or so.
Don't kick him out. Somethings like being pets.
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Postby firechicago » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:17 pm UTC

emceng wrote:Ok, that story lacks serious details, like how did the LV poll workers know she had already voted?


Another article I read referred to "a records search." Presumably if Nevada allows you to vote at precincts other than your home precinct they have some sort of database set up to check people's registration, and that database also flags people who have already voted.

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Mars rover Opportunity goes into tenth year of operation. Impressive. I wish my car could have a service record like that...

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gordo wrote:Mars rover Opportunity goes into tenth year of operation. Impressive. I wish my car could have a service record like that...


At least your car can travel further than 22 miles over the course of ten years. I hope.

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Plus ~ 213 million miles.
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