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Postby CorruptUser » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:06 pm UTC

That was indeed something completely different.

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Postby Darryl » Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:42 pm UTC

KrytenKoro wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:
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CorruptUser wrote:We can't wait a year though, but we can have a recall election in the middle of the term.

It's horrible. I really don't like the Democrats. I don't like what they are doing right now. I really want to vote them out of office. But I see the other guys acting like giant babies, almost blatantly pushing a theocratic agenda, and it scares me. Did we Americans always have to choose between the Corporate Shills, the Theocrats, or the Corporate Theocrats?


It's the theocracy that scares you, not that we are doing stupid shit to hurt our economy when it is weak enough as it is, and even if we resolve it, it's going to come around to another debt ceiling debate, for which if the anti-government extremists act to character will result in a default and (possibly global) depression? Not like it matters; between gerrymandering and propaganda, the Republican voter base will still reelect the same assholes who have been doing everything they can to prevent economic recovery since the debt limit debate in 2011.


Yes. Because part of the Republican's brand of Theocracy is to keep people in perpetual poverty, to make them dependent upon the Church via charity. That's the biggest way the Church recruits, and why Repubs seem to be so adamant about eliminating foodstamps and other social safety nets. Then there is the nonsense of tax exempt statuses for churches and donations to the church which are really more about recruitment drives than actually helping society.

The Dems aren't much better, but the Theocrats terrify me.

Wut.

As a Republican, and even as a Christian, that is not at all what I stand for.

You are not the Republican Party, which the person you are replying to is talking about.
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Postby Tyndmyr » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:46 am UTC

Darryl wrote:
KrytenKoro wrote:As a Republican, and even as a Christian, that is not at all what I stand for.

You are not the Republican Party, which the person you are replying to is talking about.


A member of a given group seems reasonably able to opine on what that group stands for. What do you expect, nobody to challenge statements because they are individuals, and you addressed a group?

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Postby Darryl » Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:21 am UTC

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KrytenKoro wrote:As a Republican, and even as a Christian, that is not at all what I stand for.

You are not the Republican Party, which the person you are replying to is talking about.


A member of a given group seems reasonably able to opine on what that group stands for. What do you expect, nobody to challenge statements because they are individuals, and you addressed a group?

When several nationally recognized leaders, and state-level leaders, want to do things like massively cut a program (SNAP) which actually provides $1.70 in economic boosts for every $1 spent on it, and which has members who follow Ayn Rand's Objectivism while claiming to be Christian (Not actually possible without severe mental gymnastics, since Objectivism venerates rational self-interest, with a good side helping of getting money being a good end in itself, while Christianity teaches "You cannot serve both Mammon [pursuit of worldly wealth] and Heaven"), leaving aside the fact that the GOP politicians who are currently elected want to cut funding for everything but the military budget (which is bloated, has a lot of places it could be slimmed with no significant problems for preparedness, and currently is larger than the next 9 countries combined - The top 10 countries in military expenditure combine at $1.19 Trillion, the US makes up 58% of that spending at $695.7 Billion).

Basically, you can claim that as a member you can say what the party stands for, but the scum your party puts forward as leaders say otherwise.

I hate to break it to you, but since the 80s, the GOP was hijacked by extremists.
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Postby Tyndmyr » Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:35 am UTC

Darryl wrote:
Tyndmyr wrote:
Darryl wrote:
KrytenKoro wrote:As a Republican, and even as a Christian, that is not at all what I stand for.

You are not the Republican Party, which the person you are replying to is talking about.


A member of a given group seems reasonably able to opine on what that group stands for. What do you expect, nobody to challenge statements because they are individuals, and you addressed a group?

When several nationally recognized leaders, and state-level leaders, want to do things like massively cut a program (SNAP) which actually provides $1.70 in economic boosts for every $1 spent on it, and which has members who follow Ayn Rand's Objectivism while claiming to be Christian (Not actually possible without severe mental gymnastics, since Objectivism venerates rational self-interest, with a good side helping of getting money being a good end in itself, while Christianity teaches "You cannot serve both Mammon [pursuit of worldly wealth] and Heaven"), leaving aside the fact that the GOP politicians who are currently elected want to cut funding for everything but the military budget (which is bloated, has a lot of places it could be slimmed with no significant problems for preparedness, and currently is larger than the next 9 countries combined - The top 10 countries in military expenditure combine at $1.19 Trillion, the US makes up 58% of that spending at $695.7 Billion).

Basically, you can claim that as a member you can say what the party stands for, but the scum your party puts forward as leaders say otherwise.

I hate to break it to you, but since the 80s, the GOP was hijacked by extremists.


Anti-food stamp movement is not a new thing, and a desire to cut SNAP does not necessarily show that one wishes for a theocracy. I mean, I'm an atheist. I'm pretty sure I don't want a theocracy.

Objectivism is frigging dead, just like Rand. People may quote her...on occasion, but assuming that people are slavishly following her entire ideology is a bit like assuming that leftists are slavishly following Marx. That era is past, and modern politics cannot be represented so simply.

Assuming you know the one true way of Christianity is also amusing, given that Christians themselves can't seem to agree on it. It's also utterly ridiculous to jump from chiding of the wealthy to federal budgetary considerations. Seriously, the bible doesn't really get into macroeconomics or national fiscal policy much. It's not that kind of a book.

Also, I'm not a member of the Republican party. I'm the guy in the middle pointing out that you are calling extremist while claiming the guy on the other side is incapable of describing his side's viewpoints. It's not my party, and both sides have managed to come up with some pretty flawed people. That ain't new either, of course. Not even since the 80s. I dare say that if we were in the revolutionary era, we'd be just as able to find weaknesses among the leadership. If you're judging the entire group by the few on top, you are implicitly suggesting that the system is excellent at selecting leaders who represent the views of the regular folks. That's a *very* questionable assumption.

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Postby sardia » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:03 pm UTC

A more accurate description is
"the shit I want is good, just like our "insert ancestors here" intended. The shit I don't want is bad, just like our ancestors would feel if they were in my position and were me. More betterness! Less worseness! Vote for me!"

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Postby Tyndmyr » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:27 pm UTC

sardia wrote:A more accurate description is
"the shit I want is good, just like our "insert ancestors here" intended. The shit I don't want is bad, just like our ancestors would feel if they were in my position and were me. More betterness! Less worseness! Vote for me!"


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Postby KrytenKoro » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:59 pm UTC

Darryl wrote: (which is bloated, has a lot of places it could be slimmed with no significant problems for preparedness, and currently is larger than the next 9 countries combined - The top 10 countries in military expenditure combine at $1.19 Trillion, the US makes up 58% of that spending at $695.7 Billion).

Ignoring most of the rest of your post for this: the important thing to realize is that a very large reason other countries don't spend so much is that American spending benefits them. It's no longer the Colonial Era, and while there are some countries who we spend on the military against, there's a greater portion we spend on the military for, like Britain or Egypt.

Sure, there's still a good bit of bloat (same as with medical industry), but just doing a flat comparison of the totals and saying "Why America's Bill so large?!" is naive.
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Postby CorruptUser » Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:51 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:
sardia wrote:A more accurate description is
"the shit I want is good, just like our "insert ancestors here" intended. The shit I don't want is bad, just like our ancestors would feel if they were in my position and were me. More betterness! Less worseness! Vote for me!"


Kudos on the SMBC reference, :D



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Postby elasto » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:03 pm UTC

A Montana man who painstakingly gathered and reassembled parts of five $100 bills eaten by his golden retriever has been reimbursed by the U.S. Treasury for the "mutt-ilated" currency.

Wayne Klinkel of Helena received a $500 check on Monday, the Independent Record reported.

"It was great to get the check after all the crap I went through," Klinkel, a graphic artist at the newspaper, joked.

His 12-year-old dog, Sundance, downed all but half of one of the bills in December. Sundance, a rescue from a Wyoming animal shelter, snacked on the cash left in the family vehicle while Klinkel and his wife ate at a restaurant, but left a $1 bill untouched. They were on a road trip to visit their daughter in Colorado.

Klinkel carefully picked through the dog's droppings over the next few days to recover parts of the bills and his daughter recovered more when the snow melted in the spring.

Klinkel cleaned and carefully reassembled the bills, put them in plastic bags and sent them to the U.S. Treasury in April with an explanation.

He got a receipt for the bills 10 days later, and didn't hear from the Treasury until he received the check.

"I gave Sundance a pat, showed it to him and told him not to eat it," said Klinkel.

He said there wasn't any correspondence with the check, but the memo section in the bottom left read: "MUT.CURR REFUND."


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Postby LaserGuy » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:47 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Objectivism is frigging dead, just like Rand. People may quote her...on occasion, but assuming that people are slavishly following her entire ideology is a bit like assuming that leftists are slavishly following Marx. That era is past, and modern politics cannot be represented so simply.


Well, they aren't slavishly following her entire ideology. They ignore the parts about religion being terrible and only focus on the "Rich people are awesome, government is bad, and poor people deserve to be poor" parts. Considering that VP nominee (and prospective 2016 presidential candidate) Paul Ryan is pretty immersed into Objectivism, it's hard for me to agree that her ideology isn't relevant. We're still suffering the fallout from Objectivist Alan Greenspan having spent 15 years in probably the most powerful unelected position in the US government.

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Postby Tyndmyr » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:49 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:
Tyndmyr wrote:Objectivism is frigging dead, just like Rand. People may quote her...on occasion, but assuming that people are slavishly following her entire ideology is a bit like assuming that leftists are slavishly following Marx. That era is past, and modern politics cannot be represented so simply.


Well, they aren't slavishly following her entire ideology. They ignore the parts about religion being terrible and only focus on the "Rich people are awesome, government is bad, and poor people deserve to be poor" parts. Considering that VP nominee (and prospective 2016 presidential candidate) Paul Ryan is pretty immersed into Objectivism, it's hard for me to agree that her ideology isn't relevant. We're still suffering the fallout from Objectivist Alan Greenspan having spent 15 years in probably the most powerful unelected position in the US government.


It's really fairly little of her ideology. Honestly, rich people weren't inherently awesome according to rand. Some of the rich people in her book were the "bad" folks dragging down the good ones. Yes, the distinction of what makes a person good and bad was never made extremely clear, but in her portrayals, there's definitely a huge black and white gap. You can tell who is who pretty trivially. The distinction fuzziness, of course, allows unsuccessful people everywhere to assume that THEY are one of those paragons of virtue, and their lack of success is due to everyone else holding them down. It's one of the fundamental flaws of objectivism.

But goodness and badness were not determined by quantity of money...it was more that, in Rand's perfect world, money would naturally flow to the good sorts. She was pretty clear that the current world was not the perfect one she envisioned.

As for Paul Ryan, here's his explicit rejection of that.

Edit: On a side note, though, I do question his sanity for enjoying those novels. I read them because I felt they were a necessary part of our cultural tapestry. I would not describe them as enjoyable. Or good novels, really.

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Postby LaserGuy » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:59 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:s.com/video/2012/08/14/paul_ryan_rejects_ayn_rands_objectivism_philosophy.html]his explicit rejection[/url] of that.

Edit: On a side note, though, I do question his sanity for enjoying those novels. I read them because I felt they were a necessary part of our cultural tapestry. I would not describe them as enjoyable. Or good novels, really.


He also said this:

"I grew up reading Ayn Rand and it taught me quite a bit about who I am and what my value systems are and what my beliefs are. It's inspired me so much that it's required reading in my office for all my interns and my staff.

[T]he reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand. And the fight we are in here, make no mistake about it, is a fight of individualism versus collectivism"


Call me a bit skeptical of a politician who says that Ayn Rand inspired his values and beliefs and made his staff read her books suddenly disavowing of the philosophy right before a Vice-Presidential run as being a little too convenient. He explicitly rejects the atheistic grounding of Objectivism, but he embraces pretty much all of the other principles, and was quite open about his admiration for Rand prior to 2012. The only reason he backed away from Objectivism formally is because they needed to keep the Catholic vote and the Church started coming down hard on him over it.

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Postby Tyndmyr » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:48 pm UTC

He was a politician talking to the Atlas society. That's like talking about how much you love LotR while at a gathering of Tolkien fans.

Now yeah, he's obviously conservative(which is why talking with groups like the Atlas society is on the table), but note that even they split the hell off from Rand while she was alive. For very good, healthy reasons, I might add.

I would also point out that his quote, "[Objectivism] reduces human interactions down to mere contracts", is not merely a religious objection, but a common one shared by rather a lot of people, both religious and not. Rand had certain difficulties in grasping human relationships. It is true, though, that neither Paul Ryan nor the republican establishment at large wish to disavow religion.

Plus, I'd imagine he also somewhat differs with Rand on that whole pro-choice thing. Everyone seems to forget that was in there as well...

Oh, and objectivism is anti-capital punishment in general. Rand certainly was, and Objectivism was essentially a catalogue of her personal views. And then there was her views that the state was overreaching in it's attempts to legislate porn. Republicans *probably* aren't going to come out on the pro-porn platform anytime soon. Yeah, Republicanism and Objectivism vary a wee bit.

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Postby Coyne » Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:17 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:They ignore the parts about religion being terrible and only focus on the "Rich people are awesome, government is bad, and poor people deserve to be poor" parts.

(With apologies in advance to any Republicans who are really religious: I'm sure there are a few, and I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about party platform here.)

I don't know that I can agree with the part about Republican Party ignoring "religion being terrible": They certainly seem fine with "religion is terrible" except, of course, for the religions they "support".

Specifically, Catholic, Protestant, or Baptist (maybe a few others): Good.

Any other religion: Terrible.

(For example the party has no problem with the intelligence agencies running undercover investigations against the "terrible" Society of Friends―"Quakers". For another example, take a look at the party stance on Islam.)

(Edited afterward to provide context; someone pointed out some people number them differently.)
As to the religion they supposedly support, it seems they're fine with the 3rd (God's name in vain), 4th (Sabbath day), and 5th (honor parents) commandments (those are part of the platform) but they're kind of weak on the 1st (no gods before me), 2nd (graven images), and 7th (adultery). The 6th (shall not kill) and 8th (shall not steal) are treated conditionally: As a peon, you'd better not, but companies are allowed (almost encouraged) by party policy to break those with impunity. The 10th (shall not covet) is an injunction against greed and envy, but it seems obvious the party platform is fine with those (in all their manifestations). And the 9th (false witness)? Like, wow. That's a specific injunction against lying to cause harm to others, but come politicking time, it's clear they either never heard of that commandment or else expedience wins over morality in a landslide.

All in all, my take is that the Republican platform supports religion just enough, and in just enough ways, to convince all the really religious people that they should vote Republican. In short: The Republican Party support for religion is mostly just spin.
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Postby Tyndmyr » Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:34 pm UTC

Well yeah, they're not huge on religions other than the usual, 'murrican Christian types. Not sure if they're more hostile to atheists or muslims, though. If the republican leadership had to choose between saving one of each from sharks....they'd probably sit down and watch.

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Postby jseah » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:17 am UTC

I read Atlus Shrugged. It was quite good for the first one third, especially liked the part about the construction of the railway. Sort of went downhill from there.

On the philosophy, I liked the celebration of accomplishment and independence that was implicit in the first part, and mostly didn't understand the rest. If only social interactions were that simple...
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Postby CorruptUser » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:36 pm UTC

One of the larger problems with Atlas Shrugged is that IRL, Rearden would never been happy Dagny was fucking John Galt.

This does have parallels to real life Ayn Rand's lack of understanding of human sexuality. She believed that attraction was entirely based on a person's worth, and none of the nonsense like health or age or fertility or social status. When she was in her 40s, she cheated on her husband with a guy 20 years younger than her, and told her husband to accept it because the young man was better than him so HE would be the monster for being upset. Then the young man cheated on Rand with someone his own age. Rand was furious, because in her own mind she was the BESTEST PERSON EVAR so no one could ever want to fuck anyone other than her.

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Postby headprogrammingczar » Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:44 pm UTC

Now that's a humorous news item.
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Postby sardia » Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:27 pm UTC

That sounds too ironic to be true. Do you have a source?

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Postby jestingrabbit » Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:47 pm UTC

sardia wrote:That sounds too ironic to be true. Do you have a source?


This is the guy that she had the affair with.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_ ... sonal_life

b1930, rand b1905. "The passion of Ayn Rand" also goes into it in depth.
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Postby Tyndmyr » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:03 pm UTC

Yeah, definitely some irony there. Also, Rand's views make a helluva lot more sense when you look at her private life. Her childhood being pretty much wrecked by communism explains rather a lot all by itself.

If memory serves, the cheating caused a massive rift. She really didn't separate out personal views from politics or the like. Also not a lot of room for people being flawed in one area in her worldview. If you were bad, you were all the way bad at everything.

Pretty much where I was with it, jseah. I plugged through, because I really wanted to finish, but towards the end, it almost abandons the pretense of being a novel entirely.

For those who liked her writing, I suggest the Sword of Truth series(which should be read by nobody else, ever).

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Postby CorruptUser » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:46 pm UTC

Sword of Truth was great until the Pure Evil Pacifist Hippies.

Granted that I dislike Hippies too, but for entirely different reasons.

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Postby Diadem » Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:03 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:This does have parallels to real life Ayn Rand's lack of understanding of human sexuality. She believed that attraction was entirely based on a person's worth, and none of the nonsense like health or age or fertility or social status. When she was in her 40s, she cheated on her husband with a guy 20 years younger than her, and told her husband to accept it because the young man was better than him so HE would be the monster for being upset. Then the young man cheated on Rand with someone his own age. Rand was furious, because in her own mind she was the BESTEST PERSON EVAR so no one could ever want to fuck anyone other than her.

It's a cute story, but entirely untrue. Rand had an open relationship with her husband, she had his permission to start an affair with this guy. I don't know how enthusiastic this permission was, and I con't care enough to find out, but even if she blackmailed him into agreeing under threat of breaking up, it's still not cheating (arguably, it'd be worse, but that's another story). The guy by the way was also married.

Again, I know little about Rand, and don't care to find out more, so I can't say much about specifics. But in general there's nothing wrong about open relationships.
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Postby Jave D » Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:24 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:
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CorruptUser wrote:We can't wait a year though, but we can have a recall election in the middle of the term.

It's horrible. I really don't like the Democrats. I don't like what they are doing right now. I really want to vote them out of office. But I see the other guys acting like giant babies, almost blatantly pushing a theocratic agenda, and it scares me. Did we Americans always have to choose between the Corporate Shills, the Theocrats, or the Corporate Theocrats?


It's the theocracy that scares you, not that we are doing stupid shit to hurt our economy when it is weak enough as it is, and even if we resolve it, it's going to come around to another debt ceiling debate, for which if the anti-government extremists act to character will result in a default and (possibly global) depression? Not like it matters; between gerrymandering and propaganda, the Republican voter base will still reelect the same assholes who have been doing everything they can to prevent economic recovery since the debt limit debate in 2011.


Yes. Because part of the Republican's brand of Theocracy is to keep people in perpetual poverty, to make them dependent upon the Church via charity. That's the biggest way the Church recruits, and why Repubs seem to be so adamant about eliminating foodstamps and other social safety nets. Then there is the nonsense of tax exempt statuses for churches and donations to the church which are really more about recruitment drives than actually helping society.

The Dems aren't much better, but the Theocrats terrify me.


On a related note, We're living in the End Times, says Michele Bachmann.

“This happened and as of today the United States is willingly, knowingly, intentionally sending arms to terrorists, now what this says to me, I’m a believer in Jesus Christ, as I look at the End Times scripture, this says to me that the leaf is on the fig tree and we are to understand the signs of the times, which is your ministry, we are to understand where we are in God’s end times history," Bachmann told Jan Markell, radio host of "Understanding the Times," on Saturday.

“Rather than seeing this as a negative, we need to rejoice, Maranatha Come Lord Jesus, His day is at hand,” Bachmann added later. “And so when we see up is down and right is called wrong, when this is happening, we were told this; that these days would be as the days of Noah. We are seeing that in our time. Yes it gives us fear in some respects because we want the retirement that our parents enjoyed. Well they will, if they know Jesus Christ.”


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Postby Adacore » Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:35 am UTC

Jave D wrote:Member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, everyone!

Is she the special representative for not having any?

To be fair, though, the US kinda is giving arms to Al Qaeda, at least indirectly. A lot of the Syrian rebels are fairly hardline fundamentalist muslims, and it's difficult to support the non-terrorist rebels (which the US, along with other western nations, most notably France, have been trying to do) without also supporting the more terrorist-y ones too.

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Postby Jave D » Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:45 am UTC

Adacore wrote:
Jave D wrote:Member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, everyone!

Is she the special representative for not having any?

To be fair, though, the US kinda is giving arms to Al Qaeda, at least indirectly. A lot of the Syrian rebels are fairly hardline fundamentalist muslims, and it's difficult to support the non-terrorist rebels (which the US, along with other western nations, most notably France, have been trying to do) without also supporting the more terrorist-y ones too.


Yeah, but this doesn't mean it's "knowingly, intentionally supplying arms to terrorists." The situation is nuanced and murky, but Bachmann is giving it the old "Obama is a Muslim terrorist supporter" bit and adding the "world's ending so fuck retirement YOLO!" craziness that a disturbingly large percentage of Americans seems to believe.

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Postby jestingrabbit » Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:08 am UTC

"the leaf is on the fig tree"?? What the hell does that mean??
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby Thesh » Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:10 am UTC

It basically means that the swine are wearing pearls,
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby jestingrabbit » Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:27 am UTC

There's money in the banana stand.
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Postby Red Hal » Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:52 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:That was indeed something completely different.
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby curtis95112 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:24 am UTC

Peter Higgs wins the Nobel Prize in Physics to nobody's surprise.

Too bad the physicists at CERN weren't recognized. To be honest, I think the rule only letting up to three people get the prize is pretty much obsolete now. There are a few fields in which it might still work, but high-energy physics isn't one of them.
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Postby yurell » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:04 pm UTC

Yeah, it only results in experimentalists getting screwed.
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Postby CorruptUser » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:18 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:This does have parallels to real life Ayn Rand's lack of understanding of human sexuality. She believed that attraction was entirely based on a person's worth, and none of the nonsense like health or age or fertility or social status. When she was in her 40s, she cheated on her husband with a guy 20 years younger than her, and told her husband to accept it because the young man was better than him so HE would be the monster for being upset. Then the young man cheated on Rand with someone his own age. Rand was furious, because in her own mind she was the BESTEST PERSON EVAR so no one could ever want to fuck anyone other than her.

It's a cute story, but entirely untrue. Rand had an open relationship with her husband, she had his permission to start an affair with this guy. I don't know how enthusiastic this permission was, and I con't care enough to find out, but even if she blackmailed him into agreeing under threat of breaking up, it's still not cheating (arguably, it'd be worse, but that's another story). The guy by the way was also married.

Again, I know little about Rand, and don't care to find out more, so I can't say much about specifics. But in general there's nothing wrong about open relationships.


Open relationships are wrong when you get upset that the OTHER person is screwing around.

The young man was her 'heir' until he started sleeping with someone else. Rand may have talked on and on about having an open relationship, but she sure as hell didn't like it when Leonard did the same. To resolve her internal hypocrisy, rather than realize she actually didn't really want an open relationship, she blamed him and called him the monster. For a woman who bleated on about personal responsibility, she didn't seem to have much.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby LaserGuy » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:01 pm UTC



Considering that 47% of American Christians believe that Jesus will return within the next 40 years, this isn't really that exceptional of a statement in the context of American politics.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby jestingrabbit » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:19 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:


Considering that 47% of American Christians believe that Jesus will return within the next 40 years, this isn't really that exceptional of a statement in the context of American politics.


Two things. There's a bit there where she uses aramaic ("Maranatha" - meaning jesus has come or come jesus depending how you split it (second seems likely)) and the thing about the fig!! I think she's talking about the parable of the budding fig tree, but... this is crazy talk!!! Literally!!!!
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby SlyReaper » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:25 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:


Considering that 47% of American Christians believe that Jesus will return within the next 40 years, this isn't really that exceptional of a statement in the context of American politics.

Which is, in itself, even more terrifying. The crazy is drowned out by all the other crazy.
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby Jave D » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:33 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:


Considering that 47% of American Christians believe that Jesus will return within the next 40 years, this isn't really that exceptional of a statement in the context of American politics.


It's non-exceptional nature is what makes it exceptional. Few of us even bat an eye at this kind of thing, because it's commonplace now. Even though it negatively impacts the country and the world, we're all just sort of.... accustomed to it. Almost.... resigned to it.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby Red Hal » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:34 pm UTC

It's a sign of the times.
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby Adam H » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:50 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:


Considering that 47% of American Christians believe that Jesus will return within the next 40 years, this isn't really that exceptional of a statement in the context of American politics.
I'll point out that the actual question asked was: "How likely is it that each of these things will happen in the next 40 years:
1) Irrelevent question #1
2) Irrelevent question #2
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N) Jesus will come back to earth."

The space between the 40 years and the actual question leads me to believe that people weren't paying attention to what they were actually saying, and instead simply answered the question "do you believe Jesus will return to earth?"

I have to believe that if they asked people "do you think it is more likely that Jesus will come back to earth within the next 40 years, or sometime after 40 years from now", the results would be a bit less ridiculous.
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