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Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby Glmclain » Fri May 27, 2011 12:09 am UTC

Jesus Christ, how horrifying.

The Istanbul Prosecutor’s Office has opened an investigation into a book called “Snuff” written by Chuck Palahniuk, who is also the author of worldwide prominent book called “Fight Club.” It was translated and published by Ayrıntı Publishing House in February.

Istanbul Press Prosecution sent a notice which includes a report from the Council for Protecting Minors from Explicit Publications to Ayrıntı Publishing. In the notice, the novel is accused of “abusing sexual instincts” and “incompliance with moral norms.”

Ayrıntı Publishing issued a press release that included parts of their testimony, which was given by both the translator of the book and Hasan Basri Çıplak, the director of the publishing house.

The story tells of people making a documentary about a woman who wants to break “the world record for serial fornication,” by having sex with 600 men.

Editor Abdullah Yılmaz at the publishing house told the Hürriyet Daily News that the book is at risk of being confiscated, but it is too early to say anything yet because the investigation has not finished.

“Increasing censorship shows there is a deeper problem on sexual issues more than it seems on the surface,” Yılmaz said.

According to Yılmaz, the problem could not be solved through constitutional amendments or making a new constitution but to create a mass reconciliation.

“Sexuality is a matter that is related to any kind of social structures, including culture and religion,” said Yılmaz, adding that even violence against women occurred because of sexual problems.

Yılmaz also said calling on the translator for testimony was ridiculous.

“Moreover, the book is criticizing the porn sector, and the pathetic lives of the men who attended to the documentary,”

Hasan Basri Çıplak in his testimony said that Palahniuk is one of the most important contemporary authors and contrary to the accusations the book is a criticism of the objectification of the female body.

While defending the book, Çıplak said it was a piece of literature that had been translated into many languages including German, French, Spanish and Portuguese.

“The second edition of the book has already taken its place on the shelves regarding the big interest,” the director said.

Ayrıntı Publishing House has published many books by Palahniuk including Fight Club, Choke, Invisible Monsters, Lullaby, and Fugitives and Refugees. The house previously has been tried regarding the book named “Choke” with the same accusations, however, the publishing house was acquitted.

Another investigation was launched into William Burrough’s “The Soft Machine” in April. The Prime Ministry’s Council for Protecting Minors from Explicit Publications accused the novel of “incompliance with moral norms” and “hurting people’s moral feelings.”


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I cannot explain how fucking angry this makes me. Fuck those guys. Fucking Fascists.
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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby mmmcannibalism » Fri May 27, 2011 12:30 am UTC

That book isn't about censorship or so I've heard.(451)

Censorship bad, apparent trend toward government control of thought in turkey bad etc.
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Postby RockoTDF » Fri May 27, 2011 12:42 am UTC

Turkey is never going to get into the EU pulling crap like this.
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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby podbaydoor » Fri May 27, 2011 2:25 am UTC

*sniffle*

You...you hurt my moral feelings! I'm telling Allah on you! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby iChef » Fri May 27, 2011 3:05 am UTC

Last weekend I was reading this awesome book. It's kinda long so I'll just go over some of the good parts. The beginning was pretty boring, but after a few chapter there is this huge war. The hero in the was was a total badass. He slaughtered the opposing army and even mutilated the bodies of his enemies. The king killed himself earlier so the hero was made king after everyone saw how awesome he was. After he became king he got a bunch of slave girls and went on more war campaigns. Some more boring stuff happens then there is another battle. This one was pretty cool some guy was so fat that when he got stabbed his gut covered the entire hilt of the sword in flab. Some more stuff happens, there is a lot of partying, some human sacrifices, some animal sacrifices. A bunch of guys hallucinate fire in the sky saying things to them. There is some more boring parts in the middle, but the final battle is awesome. The king ( a different king this time the other one dies and one of his great, great, great grandsons tries to retake the throne but he gets betrayed by one of his friends and then the guy who betrayed him gets hung and his body explodes and spews guts everywhere!!!!!1111. Anyway when the last king has to fight a giant dragon and a bunch a demons on horses. A giant beast jumps out of the sea and another one out of the ground and they started attacking the whole world. After that some kings from the surrounding areas got a bunch of prostitutes. Then the hero king rode out and killed the beasts and the prostitutes with his armies and set everything on fire. After that they built a new city and lived happily ever after, and probably had cake.

We get to read this book every Sunday at church but nobody really complains about the violence or anything. I think it might be more important to actually understand the message of a book instead of taking a few scenes out of context and condemning the whole book because of that. I could be wrong though, but that doesn't matter because books with dragons in them are awesome!
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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby podbaydoor » Fri May 27, 2011 3:19 am UTC

My favorite part about the book you're reading is the bits in Ezekiel and Isaiah and assorted prophets. TONS of awesome salacious gossip of all the myriad and detailed ways to sin. Also, Kings I and II need to be made into a soap opera. Song of Ice and Fire who? We've got Ahab and Jezebel already. Also, you skipped the book which is basically about a couple getting it on over and over and over and...
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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby CorruptUser » Fri May 27, 2011 4:19 am UTC

Oooo don't forget the book with the rats that crawl up rectums and chew intestines! That one also had this badass fight scene with a giant and a sling. Oh, and murder over a beautiful woman.

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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby mmmcannibalism » Fri May 27, 2011 4:30 am UTC

I'm a fan of Joshua, he knows how to kill babies.
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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby LtNOWIS » Fri May 27, 2011 5:00 am UTC

Yeah, those Turks are hypocrites! They'd never be this hostile to Christianity! :roll:

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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby Malice » Fri May 27, 2011 5:35 am UTC

Censorship is wrong and all, but Snuff should be on trial for crimes against literature, not morality.
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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby Not A Raptor » Fri May 27, 2011 9:24 am UTC

At first, I thought it read "Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Iran", and I was "meh... same shit, eh?"

Then I looked again.

*facepalm* The Crazy be everywhere.
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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby podbaydoor » Fri May 27, 2011 3:47 pm UTC

LtNOWIS wrote:Yeah, those Turks are hypocrites! They'd never be this hostile to Christianity! :roll:

I think the point is that people of various religions quite often overlook the violence and sex in their own holy books when they're wailing about immorality in literature. But since most of us are more familiar with the Bible instead of the Qu'ran, we used that as an example instead.
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Postby sourmìlk » Fri May 27, 2011 4:51 pm UTC

podbaydoor wrote:
LtNOWIS wrote:Yeah, those Turks are hypocrites! They'd never be this hostile to Christianity! :roll:

I think the point is that people of various religions quite often overlook the violence and sex in their own holy books when they're wailing about immorality in literature. But since most of us are more familiar with the Bible instead of the Qu'ran, we used that as an example instead.

It's not actually hypocrisy, though, that allows them to accept violence in their holy literature but not in conventional literature. It's just stupidity: the difference for them is that violence and sexuality in their holy literature is mandated by God. I have an extremely orthodox Jewish uncle, and although he's not a violent or warmongering or genocidal person, is totally okay with the Israelites in the Bible having killed the Canaanites, often down to the last woman and child, because it was mandated by God. Despite his Islamophobia, he wouldn't support the Israelis today killing all of the Palestinians, but it was okay when they did something similar thousands of years ago because it was supposedly mandated by God, and thus automatically moral.
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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby podbaydoor » Fri May 27, 2011 5:12 pm UTC

Yes, it is hypocrisy. They've just justified it in their own minds. Rarely does anyone ever admit hypocrisy.
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Postby Radical_Initiator » Fri May 27, 2011 5:21 pm UTC

podbaydoor wrote:Rarely does anyone ever admit hypocrisy.


Strangely, though, if you actually say that you, personally, never admit hypocrisy, did you just admit that you commit hypocrisy, but refuse to admit it? And does that make you a hypocrite all over again, or just a liar?
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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby IcedT » Fri May 27, 2011 6:57 pm UTC

And it doesn't necessarily have to be hypocrisy if their moral system is just "good= God says do it, evil= God says don't do it." I mean, yeah, it's stupid and kind of terrifying, but it's internally consistent.

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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby podbaydoor » Fri May 27, 2011 7:28 pm UTC

Radical_Initiator wrote:
podbaydoor wrote:Rarely does anyone ever admit hypocrisy.


Strangely, though, if you actually say that you, personally, never admit hypocrisy, did you just admit that you commit hypocrisy, but refuse to admit it? And does that make you a hypocrite all over again, or just a liar?

Did I claim that I never admitted hypocrisy?
IcedT wrote:And it doesn't necessarily have to be hypocrisy if their moral system is just "good= God says do it, evil= God says don't do it." I mean, yeah, it's stupid and kind of terrifying, but it's internally consistent.

Possibly. Anecdotally, though, few people actually even hew to their "good=God says do it, evil=God says don't do it" systems. Not many Christians are going around stoning adulteresses. Edit: Christians in western civilizations, at least. Even when ostensibly based on the same book that was finalized in the 400s, morality today looks really different from morality in the 400s.
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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby IcedT » Fri May 27, 2011 7:51 pm UTC

podbaydoor wrote:
IcedT wrote:And it doesn't necessarily have to be hypocrisy if their moral system is just "good= God says do it, evil= God says don't do it." I mean, yeah, it's stupid and kind of terrifying, but it's internally consistent.

Possibly. Anecdotally, though, few people actually even hew to their "good=God says do it, evil=God says don't do it" systems. Not many Christians are going around stoning adulteresses. Edit: Christians in western civilizations, at least. Even when ostensibly based on the same book that was finalized in the 400s, morality today looks really different from morality in the 400s.

Well, let's be real. The book contradicts itself all over the damn place. It's tough to be consistent even when you're not making your ethical decisions based on an ancient book with an unknown number of authors, translated repeatedly from a multitude of ancient languages and based on the idea that God made a deal with Man but keeps on changing the contract.

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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby podbaydoor » Fri May 27, 2011 8:29 pm UTC

Right, though that's a familiar debate specific to Christianity. I am not familiar with scholarly thought on the Qu'ran or other holy books. My point is that even if the Bible/Qu'ran/whatever were completely consistent, people's treatment and interpretations of them have never been.
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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby broken_escalator » Fri May 27, 2011 8:39 pm UTC

IcedT wrote:God made a deal with Man but keeps on changing the contract.

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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby el_loco_avs » Fri May 27, 2011 8:55 pm UTC

Actually on topic: I like that the publishing house got acquitted last time around. No need to seriously freak out just yet.
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broken_escalator wrote:Epiphany: God is clearly Darth Vader.
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O_O this changes everything...

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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby MartianInvader » Fri May 27, 2011 9:25 pm UTC

Turkey has always been very far from having freedom of speech. For example, youtube is blocked, newspapers get shut down for criticizing the government, and anti-government speech can get you arrested. It's true that this sucks, but it's not surprising.
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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby LtNOWIS » Fri May 27, 2011 10:10 pm UTC

Also, I think it's an oversimplification to say all violence is the same. There's a lot more gruesome death in Black Hawk Down than Fight Club, for example, but the context, plot, themes, and so forth are totally different. There are a lot of ways that a few brutal fistfights and one guy getting tragically shot can be seen as more objectionable than hundreds of people getting shot to pieces, blown up, and so forth. Many if not most of those reasons are entirely secular.

But that's moot for Snuff, because the objectionable content is overwhelmingly sexual, and far "worse" than any mainstream religious texts. Or, AFAIK, anything else written before the time of the Marquis de Sade.

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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby aleflamedyud » Sat May 28, 2011 4:44 pm UTC

LtNOWIS wrote:Also, I think it's an oversimplification to say all violence is the same. There's a lot more gruesome death in Black Hawk Down than Fight Club, for example, but the context, plot, themes, and so forth are totally different. There are a lot of ways that a few brutal fistfights and one guy getting tragically shot can be seen as more objectionable than hundreds of people getting shot to pieces, blown up, and so forth. Many if not most of those reasons are entirely secular.

But that's moot for Snuff, because the objectionable content is overwhelmingly sexual, and far "worse" than any mainstream religious texts. Or, AFAIK, anything else written before the time of the Marquis de Sade.

Oh shut up and stop being reasonable.

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Re: Chuck Palahniuk Book On Trial In Turkey

Postby Jesse » Mon May 30, 2011 5:17 pm UTC

Malice wrote:Censorship is wrong and all, but Snuff should be on trial for crimes against literature, not morality.


Be fair Malice, it's not his fault that he's not Amy Hempel.


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