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Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

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So you may have heard that on the East Coast of the continental US there was a 5.8 magnitude earthquake a little while ago, and we all claimed to feel it. Unfortunately, only a few of us got to actually complain about it, and we can't predict an earthquake now any more than we could before, so we needed something else to freak out about.
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Postby sourmìlk » Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:08 am UTC

Wow, that is the most dickish possible path that hurricane could take. Is the hubbub just over the area it affects or also its power?
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Postby Angua » Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:14 am UTC

According to the BBC it will be the strongest to hit so far north since hurricane Bob in 91.
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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

Postby Obby » Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:15 am UTC

It's supposed to be the strongest storm to hit my area (Philadelphia) in quite a while. It's not too often that a category 1 hurricane pushes it's way straight onto us. New York is planning on shutting down the subway because they fully expect it to flood pretty heavily.
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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

Postby mmmcannibalism » Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:17 am UTC

Suppose I should go check the weather reports for Pittsburgh just to be safe.

TIL that a small hurricane can be a serious threat to NY city
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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

Postby Angua » Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:20 am UTC

mmmcannibalism wrote:Suppose I should go check the weather reports for Pittsburgh just to be safe.

TIL that a small hurricane can be a serious threat to NY city


Often, one of the main problems with hurricanes can be the storm surges, which will still cause serious damage to anything near the coast, even if the hurricane passes quite a ways away (Omar shut down the four seasons on my island for a couple of years, and we barely got anything more than a bit of wind and rain otherwise as it was passing down near Grenada, which is pretty far south). NYC is built right up on the water, so the surge will probably be quite significant.

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Postby Glmclain » Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:23 am UTC

I might lose my house.

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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

Postby Jahoclave » Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:09 am UTC

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Try not to get destroyed, the Republicans will want to make sure we have budget cuts to account for all the repairs.
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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

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mmmcannibalism wrote:Suppose I should go check the weather reports for Pittsburgh just to be safe.

TIL that a small hurricane can be a serious threat to NY city

It's really not small. It's not super strong, but the actual size of the thing is stretching it's clouds up to NY already. The eye is just getting to the coast of NC. The storm surge is something that occurs both due to wind and the low pressure associated with a system like this. The water will rise even if the winds don't knock shit over, so the subways and tunnels under NY City are likely to find their drains overwhelmed very quickly. I can't speak for Pittsburgh. It's weird for me to realize it's actually going to be west of me. That's not where hurricanes go!
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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

Postby mmmcannibalism » Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:04 am UTC

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mmmcannibalism wrote:Suppose I should go check the weather reports for Pittsburgh just to be safe.

TIL that a small hurricane can be a serious threat to NY city

It's really not small. It's not super strong, but the actual size of the thing is stretching it's clouds up to NY already. The eye is just getting to the coast of NC. The storm surge is something that occurs both due to wind and the low pressure associated with a system like this. The water will rise even if the winds don't knock shit over, so the subways and tunnels under NY City are likely to find their drains overwhelmed very quickly. I can't speak for Pittsburgh. It's weird for me to realize it's actually going to be west of me. That's not where hurricanes go!


If its already hitting NY I'm in the clear(reports indicated same thing). Fascinating to hear about the storm dynamics for coastal cities though

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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

Postby Isaac Hill » Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:33 am UTC

I'm in the part of Rhode Island that's actually an island, so I spent the evening cleaning the yard of anything that could blow away and tying my deck swing to the deck rails so it doesn't get blown through my glass sliding door. The main storm's not due to hit me until late Sunday, but it looks like there will be a lot of rain tomorrow, and I didn't want to do this while getting wet.

I also put a bowl of water in my freezer so it'll freeze before the storm hits. If I lose power, I'll transfer the ice to the fridge, which will hopefully keep the fridge temp low for a while. At work, we put plastic trash bags over all the computers and lab equipment to protect them in case the roof leaks.

Last fall, a lesser storm knocked down half of a giant tree in my back yard, putting a small hole in my roof. Now I'm glad that happened, since it'll probably be a lot harder to get a roofer after this storm. Hopefully, the remaining half of the tree will stay up. It's much straighter than the fallen half was, so there's less weight pulling it off balance. It shouldn't hit any structures if it does fall, but I'd miss the shade.
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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

Postby mmmcannibalism » Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:37 am UTC

I also put a bowl of water in my freezer so it'll freeze before the storm hits. If I lose power, I'll transfer the ice to the fridge, which will hopefully keep the fridge temp low for a while. At work, we put plastic trash bags over all the computers and lab equipment to protect them in case the roof leaks.


Is there a thread somewhere for fairly trivial but really awesome ideas, because that deserves to be there.
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Postby poxic » Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:38 am UTC

Prudent measures, Onion's Perpetual Man-on-the-Street Isaac Hill.

This fellow has some other prudent ideas, some maybe more important than others. (He also has some fantastic blog posts, if you've never heard of him before, but that's beside the point right now.)
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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

Postby Izawwlgood » Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:11 am UTC

I went home to Chicago for a family reunion this weekend, so I'm going to miss it. We forgot to close our windows, and are trying to track down our landlord to see if he'll head over and close some of our windows. I'm pretty bummed I'll be missing the awesome event.
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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

Postby Kain » Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:47 am UTC

Just read that list, its pretty good (pretty much the same stuff we learn from a young age growing up in s.fl, plus some amusing adult additions). One thing that may not have been clear though: when (s)he mentions the duct tape and trash bag windows thing, that is for if the window is broken. Duct tape will NOT keep the windows from breaking in the first place (you would be surprised at how many people in Miami thought that Duct/Masking Tape, if fully covering both sides of the window, would keep them from breaking... my earliest distinct memories are not fun ones, thanks to that...). Its probably a bit late now, but plywood does wonders if mounted well, assuming the buildings don't have impact windows or hurricane shutters.

Anyways, best of luck to all of you in the path, hopefully you are adequately prepared (1 gallon of water per person per day, 5 days food and water supply, some source of light/heat/shade, medicine etc). Kinda wish the storm had hit us here, where a higher percentage of us are likely to be adequately prepared for the storm.
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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

Postby WaterToFire » Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:28 pm UTC

This was going to be my first weekend at college, prime bonding time. Turns out our dorm was right on the edge of evacuation zone A on Manhattan's east side. Screw you, Irene.

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Postby rath358 » Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:07 pm UTC

I just moved to the Albany area for college. Yay, first hurricane!

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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

Postby Isaac Hill » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:08 am UTC

mmmcannibalism wrote:Is there a thread somewhere for fairly trivial but really awesome ideas, because that deserves to be there.
Glad you found that helpful, but I'm not sure a thread for stuff like that would be too useful. It'd get filled with dozens of pages of ideas for varied situations, so to finding the ideas for your specific situation would be tedious.

poxic, thanks for that link. I would never have thought to fill the bathtub with water for emergency flushing, or of cereal as a non-spoiling food. I've never felt so responsible while buying Cookie-Crisp.

Kain, thanks for the heads up about taping the windows not being helpful. I'd seen the windows at the grocery store taped with blue painters tape, and had bought some to do my own windows. I would have wasted a lot of time applying tape and, later, cleaning up residue.

I've closed all the windows and interior doors. If a window does get broken, hopefully the doors will keep the wreckage confined to a single room. I put a few things on my couch, then covered the couch with a tarp so the tarp can protect both. I also moved the couch away from the living room window, and the glass-topped dining room table away from the glass sliding door. I've unplugged anything from sockets near windows in case water comes in.

If it gets bad, I have windowless hallways to hide in. My garage only has 4 little windows in the door, so the other end of that is probably safe. I don't have any windowless rooms, but I have cleaned out a hall closet. I can stand in there like Bender in his apartment on Futurama.
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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

Postby folkhero » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:17 am UTC

Tape on the windows won't stop them from breaking, but if they do break, the tape might help prevent the broken glass from going everywhere. I'm not a hurricane expert, so this is just speculation.
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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

Postby musashi1600 » Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:09 am UTC

Isaac Hill wrote:II also put a bowl of water in my freezer so it'll freeze before the storm hits. If I lose power, I'll transfer the ice to the fridge, which will hopefully keep the fridge temp low for a while.


BAD IDEA. Once your house loses power, the freezer and fridge will keep everything inside preserved for a couple days if you do not open the doors. Adding a bowl of water in advance might buy some time (for both), but once the power's out, only open the freezer and fridge to eat everything that's inside.

Edit: If you have time, you may want to buy and install hurricane connectors, if your local hardware stores haven't sold out of them by now. Most homes that are destroyed by hurricanes when the roof is lifted off by the wind pushing it up and off, and those connectors will help prevent that.
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Postby sourmìlk » Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:12 am UTC

Yeah, those things are pretty damn good insulators. Don't fuck with that.
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Postby mmmcannibalism » Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:49 am UTC

musashi1600 wrote:
Isaac Hill wrote:II also put a bowl of water in my freezer so it'll freeze before the storm hits. If I lose power, I'll transfer the ice to the fridge, which will hopefully keep the fridge temp low for a while.


BAD IDEA. Once your house loses power, the freezer and fridge will keep everything inside preserved for a couple days if you do not open the doors. Adding a bowl of water in advance might buy some time (for both), but once the power's out, only open the freezer and fridge to eat everything that's inside.

Edit: If you have time, you may want to buy and install hurricane connectors, if your local hardware stores haven't sold out of them by now. Most homes that are destroyed by hurricanes when the roof is lifted off by the wind pushing it up and off, and those connectors will help prevent that.


Actually, it means he should transfer the bowl before a possible outage.
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Postby Kain » Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:50 am UTC

folkhero wrote:Tape on the windows won't stop them from breaking, but if they do break, the tape might help prevent the broken glass from going everywhere. I'm not a hurricane expert, so this is just speculation.

This is accurate: the tape should keep the broken glass together relatively well. What I meant to imply was that no one should assume that the tape will keep the windows from breaking, not that the tape is entirely useless. That said, the time required to fully tape all of the windows could probably be spent more productively (unless of course all the rest of the preparations are complete, or they are small windows). Other little things that may be too late for this storm, but are still useful to know: Have a wind up radio set to the location news or weather channel. This will save your batteries for flashlights and etc. Furthermore: DO NOT GO OUT IN THE EYE. Seriously, don't do it (this is one of the reasons a radio is useful, so that you can know if a lull in the storm is the eye, a gap between some of the bands, or the actual end of the storm).
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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

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BAD IDEA. Once your house loses power, the freezer and fridge will keep everything inside preserved for a couple days if you do not open the doors. Adding a bowl of water in advance might buy some time (for both), but once the power's out, only open the freezer and fridge to eat everything that's inside.
Disagree. The bowl of water is a very good idea. A bowl containing 1L of ice stores about 15 times more coldness than a cubic meter of air.* Even if you let out all the cold air from the fridge when adding the bowl of ice, it's worth it.

* Energy required to melt ice: 80 kcal/L. Energy required to heat air: approximately 0.25 kcal/m3/degree. The difference in temperature between the fridge and room is 20 degrees (or less), so the air has 5 kcal of coldness while the ice has 80 (plus a bit more for the cold water that you're left with).

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Postby PAstrychef » Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:29 pm UTC

I have a big freezer, so I fill plastic bottles with water and cram them in until the thing is full. Then when the grid goes down, I not only have ice to help keep the fridge cold, but I have lots of extra water as well. As a full freezer is way more efficient than a partly empty one, the bottles stay in the freezer until I need the space for food. Open the freezer and then the fridge to make the transfer doesn't warm either enough to worry about.
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Postby Angua » Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:35 pm UTC

I'm going to guess one of the main problems for a lot of people with the fire outage will be the problems with cooking - at home we made doubly sure that we had propane run gas oven and stove as power outages are so common, but in the states (and England as well) in areas where it is that uncommon you'll probably have difficulty. At home it's also required that everyone has a cistern attached to the house in case of water outages. However, the US will have better infrastructure to repair everything faster (my house has literally gone 2 weeks without power even though everyone else in the village got theirs because we had a problem with the connection coming into the house) - so hopefully most people won't have to go too long without anything.

A fridge and freezer will be ok for at least a day without power - we generally ran the generator for an hour or so every day after that just to get it back up again.
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Postby Endless Mike » Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:45 pm UTC

Well, it's past us here outside DC. We got a lot of rain and wind, but the power never so much as flickered. Hopefully it goes as well for those of you further north!

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Postby Obby » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:14 pm UTC

PAstrychef wrote:I have a big freezer, so I fill plastic bottles with water and cram them in until the thing is full. Then when the grid goes down, I not only have ice to help keep the fridge cold, but I have lots of extra water as well. As a full freezer is way more efficient than a partly empty one, the bottles stay in the freezer until I need the space for food. Open the freezer and then the fridge to make the transfer doesn't warm either enough to worry about.

I tried that. I put 4 bottles in the freezer and they all broke from the water expanding as it froze. :(
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Well, live and learn. Next time, you won't fill the bottles so full.
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Postby scienceroboticspunk » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:33 pm UTC

It is very windy outside and only rained a little last night. I am in central NJ and as far as storms go this one didnt hit that badly.
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Postby TheChewanater » Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:40 pm UTC

I'm in western CT. If it's of any interest, there's no permanent damage, but about half the state is without power.
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Postby scienceroboticspunk » Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:37 pm UTC

Update from central jersey. I am fine but half of my town and all the towns down the hill lost power. There isnt much damage besides the power lines though.
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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

Postby Isaac Hill » Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:41 pm UTC

I was pretty lucky. I had a lot of branches in my yard, but nothing very big. It was a greater quantity than what I get in a normal storm, but not anything bigger. My next door neighbor's tree fell, but didn't damage anything. A few houses down, a tree fell and blocked the road, but that's already been cleared.

The power went out here sometime before I woke up Sunday. The radio said the entire island was out due to fallen transmission lines. They expected the outage to last most of the week. I planned to visit my parents in NH after calling them and verifying they had power. As I left around 1pm today (Monday), I saw a utility truck working in my neighborhood, and the traffic lights were back on. I decided to head towards NH, but stop for lunch along the way. At that point, I called my house and got my answering machine, so I knew I had power and headed back.

The bowl of ice seemed to work pretty well, though musashi1600's post reminded me to minimize the number of times I opened the door. After the power went out, I waited until I wanted something from the fridge and moved the bowl then. Next time, I'm going to turn my fridge control to maximum coldness before the storm hits so it takes longer for the food to thaw.
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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

Postby Enokh » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:37 pm UTC

Power went out at my place for 17 or so hours. Work's shut down for today and tomorrow so far, because they haven't been able to restore power (about 15-20 minutes east of here). I'm salaried, though, so yay!

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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

Postby Nitrocloud » Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:59 am UTC

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Postby Dauric » Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:33 pm UTC

From what I heard on NPR this morning it sounds like the hardest hit areas are inland in the mountain areas where they picked up a lot of rain and creeks and rivers are flooding.
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Postby Nitrocloud » Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:14 am UTC

Protip: Cussing out the dispatchers, linemen, and engineers working to restore your electric service has been found to be proportionally related to restoration time.

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Re: Hurricaine Irene: It's pretty big I guess

Postby Eyat » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:45 pm UTC

When we had a series of windstorms in July knocking out power lines all over the Chicago suburbs we saw repair crews from as far away as Pennsylvania and Montana so hopefully the eastern seaboard will be teeming with out of state personnel shortly.


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