MartianInvader wrote: KnightExemplar wrote:
MartianInvader wrote:Do you mind if I ask why you're "damn sure Gmail violates our privacy?" Is it just because they have machines reading your e-mails? Because, you know, every email provider has machines reading your emails.
More like because they clearly have advertisements that are tailored for me depending on which email I click... and those advertisements follow me around when I'm on Youtube and Google Searches.
, Google unifies the tracking across all of their services.
That's interesting... I don't really consider that a violation of my privacy if humans aren't actually able to look at my mail or things that come out of it. To me, it's just a machine scanning my mail and putting it through algorithms, which is necessary anyway to store & send the mail in the first place. Sure, there's different algorithms to do different things, but I tend to measure privacy as "who can see my information", and that doesn't change whether or not a machine uses it for targeted ads.
Please note I'm not trying to say you're wrong... obviously, this is just opinion, and clearly yours differs
To be honest, I'm choosing my opinion based on Ghostbear's arguments somewhat.
My real opinion is two-fold:
1. If you care about Google tracking everything, then the problem is that Google tracked you.
2. If you don't care about Google tracking everything, then whats the problem with them sharing it with one more entity?
I just don't see CISPA as a valid place to make a stance on privacy. Thats my real argument. The part you quoted above is just an extension of subargument #1. (ie: the problem is with Google tracking us in the first place). But its important to remember that I feel that my argument applies to both hypotheticals.
iamspen wrote:I personally don't care, either, with the caveat being I don't want the government snooping on me. But, just like I don't want just anyone to be able to track my every movement in the real world, it'd like data collection to at least have an opt-out feature, because, like I said, releasing my personal consumption habits should be voluntary.
(In before, "You don't have to use the internet." I don't have to take my pisses in a bathroom, either, but it's become a bit essential in mainstream society to be able to do so.)
The problem truly
occurs because the internet needs to track you to do even the most basic of things. This web forum for instance gives you a cookie, and that cookie tracks every single page you visit. The cookie (or session-id, if cookies fail) is needed for you to even "log into" this website.
I mean, hackers often use different means of attacking users. And one of the defenses to the CSRF attack is... tracking your users through cookies. (At its core, an anti-CSRF cookie tracks which user visited which page, and makes sure that they're visiting web pages in the right order).
And now that you've programmed your computers to track users, it isn't that much harder to track all sorts of things that they might care about. But programmers gotta work, and they'll just make decisions without consulting anyone. Thats where all of these privacy problems come in. Programmers who don't care one-way or the other are making websites, and from a programmer's perspective... you're almost always tracking users. Its just what websites do (Databases, IP Logs, access logs, etc. etc.)
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