Knight Exemplar wrote:
Off the top of my head? Occupy. You know, that thread you and I were discussing for like the better half of a year? Or is your memory so poor that you can't manage to even remember that thread which pretty much turned into Police criticism?
Hey, asshole. Quit being an asshole.
As expected (and as I noted in the thread), Occupy accomplished nothing however, but that was due to poor leadership, poor focus, and acceptance of violent methods. But that was an implementation detail, what they stood for was something worth rallying behind. With better focus, maybe they could have effected the election. (Occupy was poorly timed frankly. Starting summer 2012 would have definitely effected the elections, but November 2011 was just too far away to really have a substantial effect)
With the aid of Google, policeabuse.com appears to offer lawyers who specialize in suing corrupt cops. They have a list of cases that they've won on their (very very crappy) website.
So in order to prove a claim that there are groups gaining victories in the fight against police corruption, militarism, and tribalism, you offer as support a nebulous coalition that was the victim of those very things and accomplished, as you freely admit, absolutely nothing in that fight.
Thank you for making my point.
There AREN'T groups to rally behind, not that are well-known to the general public and that have accomplished anything of note. NYPD's stop-and-frisk? No-knock raids against innocents? Police just in general acting like bullies? Still problems, still systemically rooted and supported, still realities the general public is subjected to.
There was, though, this one guy fighting a fight that was tangentially related to these things. And recall I haven't been arguing in FAVOR of supporting Dorner - you seem to be arguing rather vehemently that he's not worth supporting. I agree, and have only been answering your question about why he had a following of cheerleaders.
engr wrote:However, having sympathy for murderers who kill my brothers is not in my job description. And for me, a police officer is as much of a brother as a firefighter or a paramedic.
I may regret my words and my response later, but right now my reaction is "I hope the murderer suffered". I will leave it at that.
This is the exact tribe mentality I've been complaining about since I started posting in this thread.
Why are your fellow firefighters, and unfellow paramedics or police officers, your "brothers" (they're all men, right? No women in any of those groups or you'd have sisters too), but the citizenry whose lives and safety are your solemn charge are just...what? Customers? Clients? Annoyances? Whatever they are, they are clearly of notably less import than your COLLEAGUES. (That is what your colleagues are, by the way. They are colleagues.)
A suspect dies in a fire in the woods instead of being brought to justice, a justice your police officer "brothers" are sworn to uphold and protect
, and your reaction is FUCK YEAH KILL THAT FUCKER I HOPE HE BURRRNED.
Do you realize this is the exact mentality of the people cheering Dorner on? You are no better than Dorner's cheerleaders; the fact that you're cheering for the 'winning' side does not make you any less brainless in this regard. I'm honestly more appalled at you than the general public: the general public is by and large expected to be kind of dumb about this sort of thing, if only because a small group of dumb people is still capable of yelling very loudly and feigning relevance. You, though. You should know better. Shame on you.