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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Grop » Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:37 am UTC

Makes more sense, someone told me today about that story, except that was supposed to be in the soviet UK :roll:.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby ObsessoMom » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:24 am UTC

How, exactly, is this characteristically soviet? Can we not imagine this sort of victim-blame happening in an authoritarian regime of any other stripe? Fascist, say?

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Lazar » Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:10 am UTC

I was doing a Russian reversal.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Chen » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:41 pm UTC

Coyne wrote:
Lazar wrote:An update to one of my earlier posts: Andrew Thomas, who was shot in the neck by a California police officer as he tried to climb out of a car wreck, has died of his injuries.


Ramsey said one of the reasons Feaster could not be charged was because Thomas had not died.


There's always another excuse. What do you suppose it will be now that Thomas died? (Best bet: "Feaster feared for his life.")


The original story appears to be it was an "accident". Maybe that's why they didn't charge him until he died? I'd have to imagine there's some sort of criminal charge for accidentally harming someone though...

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Coyne » Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:05 pm UTC

Chen wrote:The original story appears to be it was an "accident". Maybe that's why they didn't charge him until he died? I'd have to imagine there's some sort of criminal charge for accidentally harming someone though...

Evidently not for cops.

I've rethought this, and I'm betting there'll be a dispute over whether Thomas died from gunshot or other injuries, and the shooting will be shrugged off as, "We're not sure how Thomas died, so benefit of the doubt goes to the officer." Because another part of this problem is medical examiners; who seem to have no problem finding that a citizen killed someone, but seem to have great difficulty doing the same for cops.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Drumheller769 » Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:06 pm UTC

Im not sure if this belongs here, but Im surprised the lady didnt get taken down:
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/02/01/wo ... to-police/
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Chen » Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:32 pm UTC

Yeah the officer in that case seemed downright cordial towards the woman. What's the actual speed limit in that area?

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby ijuin » Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:16 pm UTC

Most likely 65 mph--a few states allow 75/80 on some highways, though.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Grop » Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:20 pm UTC

In order to be safe: as soon as you see someone drive too fast, chase them!

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Lazar » Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:37 pm UTC

"A middle school cleaning lady was arrested and shocked with a stun gun after two Collegedale police officers mistook her for a burglar." In typical fashion, she's been charged with evading arrest even though there was nothing to arrest her for in the first place.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Coyne » Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:49 am UTC

Drumheller769 wrote:Im not sure if this belongs here, but Im surprised the lady didnt get taken down:
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/02/01/wo ... to-police/

Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the charges are thrown out against him and she is charged with distracted driving (for using her cellphone while driving).
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Coyne » Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:08 pm UTC


But you forgot that he was black, which places it in the category of "honest mistake," given it is so a rare that a black man isn't a thug or gang member. The court won't say as much, of course, but I'm betting his lawsuit is dismissed due to the officers being "honestly mistaken" and "no real harm done."
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Grop » Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:25 pm UTC

Even if he did use fake money to pay for a small thing,I would object to the use of violence, as opposed to summoning him by phone or mail or something.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Tyndmyr » Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:32 pm UTC

Grop wrote:Even if he did use fake money to pay for a small thing,I would object to the use of violence, as opposed to summoning him by phone or mail or something.


Yeah, that sounds like the kind of thing that doesn't require kicking in the door and punching, even if it IS legit.

I'm thinking more, yknow, take statement from driver, gather evidence, maybe knock on the door to chat with him politely, but hey, what do I know?

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Dauric » Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:35 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:
Grop wrote:Even if he did use fake money to pay for a small thing,I would object to the use of violence, as opposed to summoning him by phone or mail or something.


Yeah, that sounds like the kind of thing that doesn't require kicking in the door and punching, even if it IS legit.

I'm thinking more, yknow, take statement from driver, gather evidence, maybe knock on the door to chat with him politely, but hey, what do I know?


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Yeah.. Should have been a lawyer serving court documents, not a police-officer beat-down.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Diadem » Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:01 pm UTC

A lawyer? You want to bring him to trial without any investigation? That's even more absurd than beating down his door.

A random person paying with counterfeit money is most likely not even aware they are paying with counterfeit money. Just send a police officer over to politely ask where they got the money from, and only open a more thorough investigation if there are additional reasons for suspicion. And even in that case there's no need to beat down doors.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby leady » Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:12 am UTC

That case sounds like one with a whole heap of information around it.

the retired cop had been on long term absence for years before his retirement and had allegedly tried something like this before. That makes me query the motives on both sides (i.e. was he trying it on again or was it pay back from the police)

On the base point of potential arrest for passing 2 forged bills I can understand that on the basis that using two implies supply (forged currency at a low level crime is typically sold in batches at 20% of its face value). Tracing that supply is highly valuable to the state, what with control of the money supply being so critical to the reins of power. The penalties for counterfeiting are pretty huge.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Lazar » Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:17 pm UTC

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Tyndmyr » Mon Feb 08, 2016 3:17 pm UTC

I hoped that the article would give some insight as to why on earth that would happen, but...yeah, not seeing even the vaguest hint of a reason.

Like, maaaybe "possible rabies" would be valid, but this looks like just straight awfulness. Wow.

I tend to take the "pets are family" viewpoint on such things, and I feel pretty bad for the cat's owner.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Coyne » Mon Feb 08, 2016 3:28 pm UTC

Fellow cops clobbered me after wife called 911 for help vs. thugs, NYPD Officer Larry Jackson claims

An NYPD cop whose wife called 911 for help against a gang of thugs says he was brutally beaten by baton-wielding fellow officers who stormed his Queens home.

"I told the 911 operator it's my daughter's 21st birthday and my husband is a police officer and there's a young man with a gun," she said.

The couple said cops hit at least six family members and friends with batons. Their stepson, a cousin and a nephew were charged with disorderly conduct. Larry Jackson's gun and badge were taken and he was placed on modified duty.

"What's most disturbing is there were supervisors on the scnee [sic] who did nothing," said Sanders of the Law Firm of Jeffrey Goldberg in Lake Success.


Jury awards $15M to NYPD cop who sued police officers for falsely arresting and beating him
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby elasto » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:23 am UTC

The city of Cleveland wants the family of Tamir Rice, the 12-year-old boy killed by police, to pay hundreds of dollars to the government to cover “emergency medical services” for the child’s “last dying expense”, according to records.

The city’s attorneys filed a claim on Wednesday against Rice’s estate alleging that the family owes $500 for an unpaid EMS bill from the boy’s death, sparking outrage from Ohio supporters of the family who described it as a particularly cruel legal maneuver.

“The callousness, insensitivity, and poor judgment required for the city to send a bill after its own police officers killed a 12-year-old child is breathtaking,” Subodh Chandra, the family’s attorney, said in an email. “This adds insult to homicide.”

Cleveland police officer Timothy Loehmann fatally shot Rice, who was black, on 22 November 2014 – within two seconds of arriving at a local park, in response to a 911 caller who warned of a juvenile carrying a weapon that was “probably fake”.

Loehmann later testified that he thought Rice, who had a toy gun on him, was 18 years old.

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Loehmann and another officer did not check Rice’s vital signs or perform first aid in the minutes after he was shot, but did physically restrain the boy’s sister when she attempted to reach him.

Classy. Puts one in mind of how China bills the family for the cost of the bullets in an execution...

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Lazar » Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:56 pm UTC

"A jury in New York has convicted NYPD Officer Peter Liang of manslaughter over his shooting of an unarmed black man in a dark stairwell in 2014. Liang, who was a rookie at the time, was also faulted for not aiding his victim." "The 28-year-old Liang said he fired by accident after a noise startled him. He acknowledged not helping Gurley's girlfriend try to revive him, but Liang explained he thought it was wiser to wait for professional medical aid."

Like I've said before, in American society there is no bigger scaredy cat than a cop. That business of refusing to provide medical aid is depressingly common in these stories as well.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Lazar » Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:19 pm UTC

An officer is cleared of charges after he killed two teenagers, and severely injured two others, while driving 36 mph over the speed limit on a dark highway despite not being on a call. And a mere month after he was dismissed from the force, the local good old boy network rewarded him with a city council seat.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby addams » Sat Feb 20, 2016 1:59 am UTC

Is the USA Policing based on Mafia Hierarchy?

The stories you tell make it seem that way.
The stories I tell make it seem that way, too.

If it is true I know only one thing:
Those folks have some complicated rules.

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Postby sardia » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:06 am UTC

Lazar wrote:An officer is cleared of charges after he killed two teenagers, and severely injured two others, while driving 36 mph over the speed limit on a dark highway despite not being on a call. And a mere month after he was dismissed from the force, the local good old boy network rewarded him with a city council seat.

Well now this man on the council owes his life and job to the police. Guess how he's gonna vote on police issues?

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Lazar » Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:40 am UTC

Police allegedly beat and taser a man who's having a seizure. It wouldn't be the first time.

The man was charged with DUI even though paramedics determined that he wasn't intoxicated; this charge was later dropped, leaving him with the classic orphaned resisting charge.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby natraj » Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:39 pm UTC

cops shoot couple while unconscious in their car.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/parent ... XoSQF8H.99
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local ... 02981.html

sleeping aggressively? probably deadly marksmen while unconscious? very threatening snorers? police attempted to "rouse" them in an attempt to "de-escalate" their dangerous snoozing. i know i shoot my best while passed out. we black folk are Just That Good.
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Postby Zohar » Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:16 pm UTC

How... is this a thing that happens?
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Mutex » Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:22 pm UTC

I don't think you could have a more perfect example of how jumpy US cops are.

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Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:34 pm UTC

I think that "jumpy" fails to explain that.

Sleeping people in a vehicle, by definition, do not pose any sort of credible threat. It's difficult to chalk this up to frame of mind or anything. 45 minutes of waking someone up is not twitchy making, it's just annoying.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Zohar » Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:39 pm UTC

Yeah this makes zero sense... At what point did these cops think "Well, they're not waking up, I better pull out my gun and shoot"? I particularly appreciated the mental gymnastics of "Obviously at some point they were conscious because somebody felt threatened"
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Lazar » Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:47 pm UTC

In the case where police fired a volley of bullets at two innocent newspaper delivery women during the Christopher Dorner manhunt, one officer testified that the sound of a newspaper striking a mailbox may have been mistaken for a gunshot. The attitude of the police is clearly "when in doubt, shoot".
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:48 pm UTC

Lazar wrote:In the case where police fired a volley of bullets at two innocent newspaper delivery women during the Christopher Dorner manhunt, one officer testified that the sound of a newspaper striking a mailbox may have been mistaken for a gunshot. The attitude of the police is clearly "when in doubt, shoot".


That's mind boggling.

I mean, I guess they're both sounds, but beyond that....

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Postby Zohar » Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:54 pm UTC

Lazar wrote:In the case where police fired a volley of bullets at two innocent newspaper delivery women during the Christopher Dorner manhunt, one officer testified that the sound of a newspaper striking a mailbox may have been mistaken for a gunshot. The attitude of the police is clearly "when in doubt, shoot".

I mean, yes, but in this case... what changed that suddenly made them shoot? At least those people were awake and able to move around...
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Mutex » Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:03 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:I think that "jumpy" fails to explain that.

Sleeping people in a vehicle, by definition, do not pose any sort of credible threat. It's difficult to chalk this up to frame of mind or anything. 45 minutes of waking someone up is not twitchy making, it's just annoying.


From what I understood from the article they didn't know they were asleep, and somehow misread the situation and opened fire.

It's very confusing:

For at least 45 minutes, police attempted "to rouse" them in an effort "to de-escalate the situation," said Butts. It is the first public explanation for what transpired early Sunday morning during the time between the initial call and the shooting. Police previously had stated responding officers saw the woman had a gun, retreated to behind cover, and then gave orders for the couple to exit the vehicle.
"Obviously at some point they were conscious because somebody felt threatened," said Butts, a retired law enforcement officer who previously had served as police chief in other cities. He said it is important for police to finish their investigation, and verify facts, before commenting further.

Police have made no comment on what specific threat officers perceived.

In a police radio transmission moments after the shooting, an officer can be heard saying the woman had a gun in her right hand.
Why either would have had a gun, family members said they did not know. But they believe law enforcement should have been able to handle the situation without resorting to deadly force.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:14 pm UTC

How do you spend 45 minutes trying to wake someone and not realize they are asleep?

Ok, passed out or dead, I could see, but...threat enough to open fire? There's a huuuge gap there.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Mutex » Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:19 pm UTC

Goodness knows. Possibly they thought the couple were in the prone position, ready to open fire or something. It seems slightly more likely that they failed to realise the couple were asleep, than that they consciously decided to open fire on a sleeping couple. I dunno. Which one is less insane? :/

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Dauric » Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:31 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:Goodness knows. Possibly they thought the couple were in the prone position, ready to open fire or something. It seems slightly more likely that they failed to realise the couple were asleep, than that they consciously decided to open fire on a sleeping couple. I dunno. Which one is less insane? :/

Sitting in a car, you're not going to be sleeping in a prone position one would mistake for being ready to fire.

the article wrote:It was evident from shell casings at the scene that military grade rifles had been fired.
"I know weapons, I know that sound," said Alfonso Parker, Jr. who described himself as a Vietnam War veteran, and said he could hear the shots from his home. "You don't use that crap on your own people."


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