0911: "Magic School Bus"

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0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby doggitydogs » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:07 am UTC

Here it is
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Title text: "At my OLD school, we used Microsoft Encarta 2005."

Right now, I have but fourteen Wikipedia tabs open...though I do have twenty-five xkcd tabs open...huh.
I also have an old Encarta 2007 CD on the table behind me.


pre-edit ramble follows below ~~Fatstaff
Title text: ""

Comic not up yet makes TortoiseWrath wrathful tortoise.
EDIT: Just realized that my username here is "doggitydogs," not "TortoiseWrath." This makes the above statement mostly pointless.

EDIT: It took 2.5 hours, but comic 911 ("Magic School Bus") is up. Since someone made another thread for it, my work here is done. Though it is interesting that an active forum thread was maintained on a nonexistent comic for over two hours...
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Re: 0911: ""

Postby siecraticmethod » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:21 am UTC

Maybe it's about Truthers? Or perhaps rotary phones.

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Re: 0911: ""

Postby doggitydogs » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:23 am UTC

http://xkcd.com/258/
EDIT: Also, a search for "rotary" brings up http://xkcd.com/562/, which I just got a couple minutes ago on random.

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Re: 0911: ""

Postby sherlip » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:30 am UTC

It's ironic - Comic 911.. Nine. Eleven.

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Re: 0911: ""

Postby doggitydogs » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:33 am UTC

Ten years ago, on this comic...

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Re: 0911: ""

Postby prophile » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:59 am UTC

Randall must have died.

Rest in peace, Randall.

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Re: 0911: ""

Postby hintss » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:00 am UTC

doggitydogs wrote:http://xkcd.com/258/
EDIT: Also, a search for "rotary" brings up http://xkcd.com/562/, which I just got a couple minutes ago on random.

what about that one, the highway engineer pranks one?

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Re: 0911: ""

Postby Sonofacheesewhiz » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:25 am UTC

Maybe the current comic is on the xkcd main page on a permanent basis.

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Re: 0911: ""

Postby Radical Pi » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:26 am UTC

Sonofacheesewhiz wrote:Maybe the current comic is on the xkcd main page on a permanent basis.


Nah, once he remembers the new server name everything will be back to normal

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Re: 0911: ""

Postby overslacked » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:41 am UTC

Guess he forgot.

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0911: "F5"

Postby pretzil » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:46 am UTC

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Alt text: I see you

Probably will only make sense for the next hour or so, but thats 99.9% of the audience

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Re: 0911: ""

Postby doggitydogs » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:48 am UTC

I wonder how the comics get posted, anyway. I always thought that they were uploaded in advance to a directory below public_html, and moved into the public_html directory by a cronjob that runs every M/W/F at midnight. Maybe the server name change caused the cronjob to stop functioning properly.

EDIT: Also, LOL @ pretzil. That was me for about 1.5 hours...

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Re: 0911: ""

Postby TheRequiem » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:54 am UTC

doggitydogs wrote:http://xkcd.com/258/
EDIT: Also, a search for "rotary" brings up http://xkcd.com/562/, which I just got a couple minutes ago on random.


I link to this on some business cards I had made up....
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I also have been adding an email address on the back, but no responses yet :(

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Re: 0911: ""

Postby hintss » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:56 am UTC

doggitydogs wrote:I wonder how the comics get posted, anyway. I always thought that they were uploaded in advance to a directory below public_html, and moved into the public_html directory by a cronjob that runs every M/W/F at midnight. Maybe the server name change caused the cronjob to stop functioning properly.

EDIT: Also, LOL @ pretzil. That was me for about 1.5 hours...

mighty coincidence that the previous comic is about hostnames.

also, to ninja: you gotta put up a pdf or something for those.

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Re: 0911: ""

Postby nowhereman » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:19 am UTC

@ TheRequiem

That has got to be the most awesome card on the planet. Serious cudos to you my friend.
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0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby rwald » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:19 am UTC

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Title text: At my OLD school, we used Microsoft Encarta 2005.

Hypothesis: Mrs. Frizzle, Mary Poppins, and Mrs. Jewls are all different regenerations of the same Time Lady. Discuss.

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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby Plasma Mongoose » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:21 am UTC

This would make for a very boring episode.
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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby feyayeruka » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:23 am UTC

oooh colour!

showing my age here, but when I was in school, we looked in the Encyclopaedia. a paper one. *gasp*
though if I'm really honest, if we asked some interesting question like that, we would have gotten an answer along the lines of "that's not in the syllabus for this year, now get back to reading the assigned pages that *will* be on the test"

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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby Eternal Density » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:23 am UTC

1. Hey I remember the Magic School Bus. It was... kinda dumb really.
2. Yeah, I used to use Encarta quite a bit too, back in the day. Particularly that orbit simulation 'game'. (I think I spent a lot of time around 'sewing' too, thanks to alphabetization.
3. Why another wikipedia comic????
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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby Brooks Hatlen » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:24 am UTC

Encarta? Bahaha! I remember using Grolier Encyclopedia 1995 on my Packard Bell!

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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby xmillion » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:29 am UTC

I realized that is a double decker bus? Or are the kids on top of each other?
Maybe it's just magic.

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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby NotAllThere » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:30 am UTC

rwald wrote:...Hypothesis: Mrs. Frizzle, Mary Poppins, and Mrs. Jewls are all different regenerations of the same Time Lady. Discuss.
You missed out Susan Death.
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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby StClair » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:31 am UTC

Kind of takes the magic out of it.
:(

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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby doggitydogs » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:32 am UTC

Ahh... Encarta. My last memory of it is set in 2006. Huh.

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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby rwald » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:37 am UTC

NotAllThere wrote:
rwald wrote:...Hypothesis: Mrs. Frizzle, Mary Poppins, and Mrs. Jewls are all different regenerations of the same Time Lady. Discuss.
You missed out Susan Death.

Naw, we all know that Susan Sto Helit is actually the same person as the First Doctor's granddaughter, who is also the same person as David Tennant and Georgia Moffett's daughter (who really ought to have also been named Susan, although I can't find any internet sources on what her name actually is). Although I'm sure she would get along with the Teacher, as Frizzle/Poppins/Jewls probably calls herself.

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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby hintss » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:39 am UTC

xmillion wrote:I realized that is a double decker bus? Or are the kids on top of each other?
Maybe it's just magic.

I think its showing 2 rows

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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby Wingman4l7 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:45 am UTC

Did anyone else notice that the rocketship in panel 3 is from Tintin's Destination Moon / Explorers on the Moon?

...and for those of you curious about such things, the checkerboard pattern was apparently modeled after V2 rockets, and was "used to measure the roll rate of a rocket during test flights".
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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby glasnt » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:48 am UTC

Encarta? Pfft

We had a 24-volume PAPER set of encyclopedias! And the INDEX WAS WATERDAMAGED!

Also, DK Eyewitness Science/Nature/History CDs were awesome for research.

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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby Fixblor » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:50 am UTC

Good ol' Funk & Wagnall's ... we bought ours at the grocery store.
Now they just give you turkeys or a few dimes off gas once a year.

When I first "installed" Encarta '95, I spent hours comparing just how little they changed the wording from the print version.
They coulda warned me ...
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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby Fixblor » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:10 am UTC

Funk & Wagnall's New Encyclopedia ©MCMLXXXVI, Volume 3 ASSIS-BERKS, p.346 BATSWANA

Battery, or electric cell, device that converts chemical energy into electricity. All batteries consist of a liquid or moist electrolyte and an external electric circuit connected between a positive and a negative electrode. The electrolyte, a liquid or paste in which a dissolved chemical will dissociate into negative and positive ions, may e a solution of salts, acids, or bases; a weak acid solution is commonly used because it conducts electricity for a longer time. The electrodes are made of substances that will also dissociate in the electrolyte.¶
Batteries in which the chemicals cannot be reconstituted into their original form once the energy has been converted (that is, batteries that cannot be recharged) are called primary cells or voltaic cells. Batteries in which the chemicals can be reconstituted by passing an electric current through the electrolyte in the direction opposite that of normal cell operation are called secondary cells, storage cells, or accumulators. Strictly speaking, a battery consists of two or more connected cells, but the term is also used for single cells.█

Source copied from the original text verbatim for comparative study between related versions spanning the evolution of encyclopaedic texts.
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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby Hirg » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:14 am UTC

When I was a boy, we ran around barefoot and kicked cans in the street and got yelled at by little old ladies for running through their yards. Those of us who were interested in knowledge went to the library, spent a half a minute in the non-fiction section, and then said "Screw it!" and went and found adventure books by Robert Louis Stevenson or fantasy books by Tolkien and a number of other authors, and sat high up in trees and read them until our parents yelled at us to come in and have dinner.

Encyclopedias are lame. If that's what they're using to teach kids these days, I fear for the future. Our children and grandchildren are going to be a bunch of factoid-filled, unimaginative, boring people. Creativity comes from those who explore uncharted territory, not those who fill their minds with useless facts from compilations of useless facts. Give it a hundred years, and we'll be back in the dark ages for sure.

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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby existentialpanda » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:20 am UTC

Ms. Frizzle kinda looks like she's holding a wand.


...*gasp* THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!

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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby Fixblor » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:39 am UTC

Hirg wrote:When I was a boy, we ran around barefoot and kicked cans in the street and got yelled at by little old ladies for running through their yards. Those of us who were interested in knowledge went to the library, spent a half a minute in the non-fiction section, and then said "Screw it!" and went and found adventure books by Robert Louis Stevenson or fantasy books by Tolkien and a number of other authors, and sat high up in trees and read them until our parents yelled at us to come in and have dinner.

Encyclopedias are lame. If that's what they're using to teach kids these days, I fear for the future. Our children and grandchildren are going to be a bunch of factoid-filled, unimaginative, boring people. Creativity comes from those who explore uncharted territory, not those who fill their minds with useless facts from compilations of useless facts. Give it a hundred years, and we'll be back in the dark ages for sure.


Do you have my Encarta '95 CD-ROM?

Cause I just spent a half hour looking for it all around the place so I could continue with the data input. I'll continue my search tomorrow, and maybe even contact a few old friends just to see if they have it. And here you are, yelling at kids to get down from trees, cause there's no adventure in learning facts??? Please, explain.
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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby tskoge » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:54 am UTC

My second and third grade (1983–1985) teacher was Ms. McKinnon.

My worldview at the time:

Miss = unmarried
Mrs = married
Ms = divorced

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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby Evil Midnight Lurker » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:59 am UTC

rwald wrote:Hypothesis: Mrs. Frizzle, Mary Poppins, and Mrs. Jewls are all different regenerations of the same Time Lady. Discuss.


Agreed, along with Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle.

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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby StClair » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:06 am UTC

Wingman4l7 wrote:Did anyone else notice that the rocketship in panel 3 is from Tintin's Destination Moon / Explorers on the Moon?

Yes.

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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby tahrey » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:20 am UTC

Fixblor wrote:Do you have my Encarta '95 CD-ROM?


I've got a bootleg copy of it I had off a friend, if you like, and 96 too. I'm not sure how readable a 12 year old CDR made in a 4x burner will be, but it IS a gold disc at least...

Or I can dupe you up my original copy of '94 instead. And if I can get some kid to go root around in the forgotten areas of my old school's library (I don't think they'd take kindly to a 29 year old ex pupil mooching about in the shadows of a high school) there might be a well-worn original copy of '93 for the asking. Which is practically an antique these days. We ran it on a 386SX using a caddy drive... and thought we were ever so achingly modern for doing so... I mean, it even had video! (At 160x120 resolution, blown up to full screen 256 colour VGA)
(I wonder how much a 20 year old CDROM encyclopaedia would fetch at auction if we found it and hung onto it until 2013?)

Also a paperback 1992 Hutchinson encyclopaedia which seems hilariously sparse, innaccurate and out of date even in comparison to the 94 Encarta.

A prize possession that I'm not going to get rid of except for a lot of money should I ever be very short is my mother's 1960s vintage partwork collected encyclopaedia, in like 6 leather-bound volumes. It is fascinating, partly for the sheer anachronism (e.g. the talking computers OF TEH FEWTURRRR). Also, features the occasional naked person. Which was pretty exciting to 8-year-old me ;)

By the way, if you're bothered by the comic not being up EXACTLY ON TIME GEE WILLIKERS THE WORLD IS GONNA END, just move to europe. I come in to work here in UK-land a little before 9, or even sometimes do an early check of my email at home if the laptop's been left on overnight, and check a few comics at the same time. As 80+ percent of them are american, and most of the others keep to USA-calibrated timetables anyway, they're almost always updated by the time I'm awake :mrgreen:
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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby wbeaty » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:43 am UTC

WP batteries entry?! Ms. Frizzle does it right. Much better than paper science textbooks. Fewer "game of telephone" textbook authorship problems. K-6 textbooks never mention that the path for current goes *through* the battery and back out again. Their diagrams typically show no current in the electrolyte between the plates. And twisted terminology is traditional: batteries create electricity, so now go searching for a clear unambiguous definition for the word "electricity." :) But I see that WP thinks that the carbon rod is the positive electrode. Nope, the "chemical mixture (actually carbon powder) is the pos electrode, while the carbon rod is a current spreader to contact the carbon powder.

Heh, not quite as bad as "Airfoil" though. I wonder how Ms. Frizzle handled that one. I shudder.

Eh, looks like I need to write another K6 electricity article. "A battery is a chemically-fueled charge pump." Or... "a battery is just a fuel cell, but the fuel is stored inside the container." Then write a Fuel Cell article instead.

One interesting part: if not for the "battery phenomenon," most metals would immediately dissolve in water. They'd be destroyed nearly as fast as salt crystals. But instead, as soon as a metal starts dissolving, the process halts. It's stopped because whenever a positive metal ion goes into solution, it leaves behind one or more outer electrons. The hunk of metal is rapidly charged up to a few volts negative, the electrolyte is equally positive, and the dissolving process is blocked by electrostatic attraction. (Yes, batteries are fundamentally electrostatic beasts.) The dissolving positive ions can't escape from the strongly negative metal surface. Eliminate that negative net-charge, and the dissolving process turns on full blast ...and that's basically what happens when you short out a battery. ALso, notice that both plates end up negative? Yep, a battery is actually two charge pumps connected by a highly conductive electrolyte. But their voltage polarity is opposing: they fight each other. That's when you change one of the metal surfaces to a different type of metal. Different metals charge up to different voltages with respect to the common electrolyte bath. Plunge two different metals into acid solution or salt water, then touch them together. One metal dissolves like rock candy, the other makes hydrogen bubbles, and a circular electric current appears. (Possibly ancient peoples noticed this phenomenon, and perhaps noticed that it stopped whenever the submerged metals weren't in contact.)

Go see an excellent little physics paper about basic electric circuits. They take on the misconception that "static" is the opposite of "current," and the wrong idea that circuits don't involve static electricity:

Unified treatment of electrostatics and circuits.
http://www.matterandinteractions.org/Content/Articles/circuit.pdf

That one is a bit beyond K-12 grade students, but it should be required reading for their teachers.

OK, how about ALIEN battery: since batteries have two separate charge pumps (one on each metal surface) we can create an inside-out version. Connect the metals permanently together, then break the electrolyte conductive connection. That way the battery terminals are hoses full of electrolyte, and the "battery" itself is a 2-layer metal plate. It's a Yrettab! Such a device might be invented by creatures who spend their lives immersed in electrolyte. If they viewed their ocean habitat as "atmosphere," then historical electrical discoveries would come earlier than for humans. After all, if an underwater creature connects two different metals together, a great stink appears in the "atmosphere" as one plate dissovles. And weird feelings are experienced by anyone approaching the metal plates. (Large electric current appears in the "atmosphere" surrounding the pair of connected metals.) But they might find it difficult to create a high-voltage stack of cells. Some submerged genius would first have to discover the merits of placing a Yrettab inside a basin filled with gas. Inverted basin, of course.

PS, Volta himself didn't believe in electrochemistry. He though he'd discovered a perpetual motion machine: infinitely persisting "contact potential" without any destruction of the two plates. Others built exactly such devices, but they'd run down in a couple thousand years...

Perpetual "Franklin Bell" with kilovolt battery
http://www.physics.ox.ac.uk/history.asp?page=exhibit1
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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby exoren22 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:44 am UTC

Dude, I was, like, so over Encarta by, like, 1997, man.

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Re: 0911: "Magic School Bus"

Postby milN » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:30 am UTC

I would press like on facebook for this comic :)


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