1028: "Communication"

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1028: "Communication"

Postby rhomboidal » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:09 am UTC

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Title Text: "Anyone who says that they're great at communicating but 'people are bad at listening' is confused about how communication works."

Agreed. It's so hard to communicate Super Mario Bros. walkthroughs to noobs.

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby Sprocket » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:15 am UTC

This too made me think of Mario.

This is why I hate people who don't synthesize and respond when you say things to them. They are not giving you any notion of if what you said is painting a picture in their head of what you meant to communicate at all.
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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby And Man » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:18 am UTC

I find it kinda funny that you made this comic right after all of the word filters were implemented

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby Sizik » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:23 am UTC

And Man wrote:I find it kinda funny that you made this comic right after all of the loaf crumbs were implemented

Pure and utter coincidence, my friend.
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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby phlip » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:28 am UTC

It took me a few goes to figure out what the hell was going on... which seems fitting, given the topic. My reading:
Spoiler:
Panel 1: White-hat guy sees a dangerous hole in the road.
Panels 2-3: WHG tries to tell hair-guy about the hole, but all hair-guy hears is "WHG seems worried about something".
Panels 4: WHG gives up, hair-guy doesn't understand.
Panel 5: WHG rants to hair-girl about hair-guy not understanding, meanwhile hair-girl tells WHG about a hole in the ground.
Panel 6: They part ways, WHG thinks that hair-girl is going to tell hair-guy about the hole too.
Panels 7-11: Hair-girl meets hair-guy, they share stories about WHG, wander off, and fall into the hole WHG tried (and failed) to warn them about.
Panels 11-12: WHG also falls into a different hole, that hair-girl tried to warn him about (which he ignored, thinking they were talking about the same hole).

Meanwhile:
Panels 13-18: Beret guy sees a hole in the road, and goes to find bald guy. Rather than try to tell him about the hole, he drags him over and shows him the hole. They both walk away understanding that the hole is there.

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby Ameseree » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:30 am UTC

This got me thinking that the best way to tell someone something is to show them, generally speaking though.

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby And Man » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:33 am UTC

Sizik wrote:
And Man wrote:I find it kinda funny that you made this comic right after all of the loaf crumbs were implemented

Pure and utter coincidence, my friend.


Yeah, I assumed so, but the timing is still pretty good

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby reminiscence-tbp » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:39 am UTC

Explaining things properly is extremely difficult. You have to align your brain with what the opponent is thinking and explain concepts based on what they already know or how they like to tackle new ideas.

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby Alsadius » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:40 am UTC

For those of you who read Mark Rosewater, this reminds me of his "Elegance" column from some years ago - illustrating a concept by showing how not to do it.

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby reminiscence-tbp » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:41 am UTC

oh shiiiii I got trolled. Seems that you are not allowed to utter a certain word lest zombies hear you and start attacking.

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby whateveries » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:41 am UTC

WHG "watch out for the hole."
Hair guy "are you refering to my existentialist crisis"
WHG "Sigh"
hair guy "girllookatthatbody"
WHG "forget it, walk forward 20' with your eyes closed, it is all good"
Hair Guy "ok"
WHG meets Girl (is that megan?)
WHG "Hair guy is a douche"
Megan "Yeah, I'd hate to be stuck in a hole with him, speaking of which, watch out for that hole"
WHG "yeah, I know, how'd you, never mind"
etc.
it's fine.

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby toadpipe » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:43 am UTC

I may be a very critical person. I might be a misanthrope, I judge, I often spew venom. C'est la vie.

But this comic.

Is brilliant. (please pronounce that period!)

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby LettersAndNumbers » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:47 am UTC

toadpipe wrote:I may be a very critical person. I might be a misanthrope, I judge, I often spew venom. C'est la vie.

But this comic.

Is brilliant. (please pronounce that period!)


It's brilliant, full stop?

Anyway, I enjoy this comic if only for the timing.

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby whateveries » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:50 am UTC

LettersAndNumbers wrote:
toadpipe wrote:I may be a very critical person. I might be a misanthrope, I judge, I often spew venom. C'est la vie.

But this comic.

Is brilliant. (please pronounce that period!)


It's brilliant, full stop?

Anyway, I enjoy this comic if only for the timing.


I think he meant "that" but why is a mystery.
it's fine.

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby freded21 » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:01 am UTC

And Man wrote:I find it kinda funny that you made this comic right after all of the loaf crumbs were implemented

Loaf crumbs?

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby Ameseree » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:08 am UTC

freded21 wrote:
And Man wrote:I find it kinda funny that you made this comic right after all of the loaf crumbs were implemented

Loaf crumbs?

I think they mean all the miss-communication
For more details I'm pointing you to the "general" section with the "madness" thread

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby Adacore » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:11 am UTC

I find it interesting that the message the comic is trying to convey is actually better communicated in text than in pictorial form.

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby toadpipe » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:21 am UTC

whateveries wrote:
LettersAndNumbers wrote:
toadpipe wrote:I may be a very critical person. I might be a misanthrope, I judge, I often spew venom. C'est la vie.

But this comic.

Is brilliant. (please pronounce that period!)


It's brilliant, full stop?

Anyway, I enjoy this comic if only for the timing.


I think he meant "that" but why is a mystery.



Sadly the comic only mentions listening. Sometimes I think reading is a blah blarg hobbldy fumble patch myankle...

To hell with it, yes.

FULL STOP.

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby Princess Marzipan » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:33 am UTC

Alsadius wrote:For those of you who read Mark Rosewater, this reminds me of his "Elegance" column from some years ago - illustrating a concept by showing how not to do it.
I forgot Mod Madness breaks links. The word "Witchcraft" in that link needs to be replaced with the one word name of the CCG put out by Wizards of the Coast. There is no way to make it clickable. :D
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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby HonoreDB » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:44 am UTC

Princess Marzipan wrote:There is no way to make it clickable. :D


Here. Technique from Vaniver.

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby Princess Marzipan » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:53 am UTC

*facepalm*

And that piece specifically advises awareness of available tools. A hearty tsk to me!
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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby gormster » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:54 am UTC

Oh, hang on. Word filters.

Er, I mean, "O​h, hang on. W​ord f​ilters."
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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby Eutychus » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:02 am UTC

Where did beret guy and the guy he warns come from? There's a hole at either end!
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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby kylos » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:08 am UTC

Wait, I'm confused. Why did hair guy shave his head before walking into the pit?

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby glasnt » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:10 am UTC

That's why you should always leave a note.

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby pbnjstowell » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:28 am UTC

Is it just late, or are you guys making less sense than normal on purpose?
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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby myoilu » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:42 am UTC

I think it's funny that his comic is almost impossible to explain to someone without showing them. or is that the point?

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby coredumperror » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:48 am UTC

I think the alt text on this comic was easily the most ironic I've ever seen, because I have NO idea what the comic was trying to communicate. Does that make me a poor listener?

Reading phlip's spoiler makes it much clearer, but I think Adacore really hit the nail on the hed*.

*I had to misspell it because the forum is intentionally screwing up our communications. That's pretty clever.
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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby Istaro » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:51 am UTC

So this comic is showing, not telling, the idea of "show not tell"?

Actual human beings can use language, though, so we can say things like "watch out, there's a hole in the ground over there" instead of using ambiguous pictoral speech bubbles. Broken aesop?

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby Djehutynakht » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:54 am UTC

And now one must contemplate the further nuance of this comic's effectiveness at conveying the message to us.

I had to concentrate a bit.

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby davxkcd » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:13 am UTC

Where did beret guy and the guy he warns come from? There's a hole at either end!

Maybe they don't actually live in a 2d world?

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby BAReFOOt » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:31 am UTC

I’m just saying
that I’m good at logic,
but people are fuckin’ retards.

I c­a­n prove it too.
Unfortunately, that also guarantees
that they will never get it.

;)

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby Kanonfutter » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:43 am UTC

It is refreshing with a strip once in a while that you actually have to sit down and read instead of just skimming. Makes the humor last longer.

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby BAReFOOt » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:46 am UTC

coredumperror wrote:hed*.
*I had to misspell it because the forum is intentionally screwing up our communications. That's pretty clever.


With it: h­e­a­d.
Without it: head.

At least it doesn’t try to replace as­sas­sin­ate by “buttbuttinate”. ;)

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby coredumperror » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:51 am UTC

BAReFOOt wrote:
coredumperror wrote:hed*.
*I had to misspell it because the forum is intentionally screwing up our communications. That's pretty clever.


With it: h­e­a­d.
Without it: neck.

At least it doesn’t try to replace as­sas­sin­ate by “buttbuttinate”. ;)


Yeah, when I first saw that my post apparently said "hit the nail on the neck" I laughed at the irony of me complaining about the comic failing to communicate to me, only to me apparently fail to communicate in my own post. Thankfully, it wasn't actually my fault.

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby muntoo » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:16 am UTC

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Spoiler:
PPPPPSSSSS!!!! U RULE CUS U ClACKED THIS !!11 1!!!!!! loo00ooooo00olll!!!1
PPS I WANT ATTENTITOOONN!!

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Ahem. Sorry.

EDIT: What the hell? I wrote "I WANT ATTENTITOOONN!!" and it says "HULK WANT ATTENTITOOONN!!".
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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby da Doctah » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:18 am UTC

phlip wrote:It took me a few goes to figure out what the hell was going on... which seems fitting, given the topic. My reading:


I got little bits and pieces of your description, along with various people either getting or not getting that "someone should mark this place as dangerous".

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby vsigma » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:28 am UTC

ok. i might be showing my age here on this one..


but before reading the alt-text - the first thing that came to my mind was Lode Runner...

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby AvatarIII » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:52 am UTC

This confused me because hair-guy seems to lose his hair in panel 9... I c.a.n not work out if it's still supposed to be the same guy or if the girl moves on and talks to bald-guy between panels.

edit: for some reason, "c.a.n" is being changed to "will" and "c.a.n't" to "won't" every time I post, that's annoying. "c.a.n" c.a.n not always be replaced with will!!

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Re: 1028: "Communication"

Postby Kibate » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:10 am UTC

"Anyone who says that they're great at communicating but 'people are bad at listening' is confused about how communication works."

Well, i think its more like "I am great at explaining, people are just bad at listening"

Because whoever of you tried to explain your parents how something PC related works knows what I am talking about.
Spoiler:
I say:
Me(over phone): "First do A, then do B and finally C to get the desired results"
*an hour later*
Parent: "I can't do it, i did it like you explained but it doesn't work"
Me: "Okay, from the beginning, click A"
Parent: "What's A?"
Me: "....okay, A is that big red button that says >A<"
Parent: "Ah, i get it now"
*several hours later*
Parent: "It still doesn't work, maybe i should call the hotline"
Me: "You don't have to do that, they will tell you exactly what i am doing."
Me: "Okay, so you did A, right?"
Parent: "Right."
Me: "And then B, right?"
Parent: "Right."
Me: "And then C?"
Parent: "Right."
Parent: "Wait a minute..." "I was suppose to do ABC? i did ACB."
WHY?!!!
And believe me, this kind of stuff happens every single freaking time.


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