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Postby rachel » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:10 pm UTC

It's horrible.

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Postby william » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:11 pm UTC

I think that's actually the first negative anything I've heard about Guitar Hero. Having never played it, I rely on what other people say, and I've only heard things like "It's awesome!"
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Postby thefiddler » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:27 pm UTC

I've never played it, either.

But I only hear praises... Hrm...

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Postby veridical » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:01 pm UTC

I am a huge fan of the game. I only own GHII, but I've found it incredibly enjoyable. I play a little real guitar as well, so that is probably a contributing factor to my infatuation. I've only had it for a few months, but it has already become one of the two video games that I regularly play. (The other is Warcraft 3). The game is really just fun to play. And I don't like Dance Dance Revolution, so I'm not just some rhythm game junkie. Most of the fun from the game comes from the soundtrack and the fairly simple gameplay mechanics in my opinion. I won't go into a long review of the game because I'm not entirely qualified, but the only real negatives I can think of for Guitar Hero II are that it has less classic rock than GHI, the graphics aren't incredible (but it was made for PS2, so what did you expect?), and I would rather hear the original recordings of the songs than covers.

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Postby rachel » Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:04 pm UTC

Everyone I know raves about this game but I just don't see the appeal. Not to mention after hours of watching my friends play this game, any time I hear a song that I like that just so happens to be included on GH the first thing I think is "oh, that's on guitar hero."
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Postby Narsil » Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:30 pm UTC

I would probably like this game, I am a huge fan of Elite Beat Agents and a whore for all things DDR or StepMania. I would sooner opt for getting a guitar controller and adapter for PC and playing Frets on Fire, though.
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Postby Aoeniac » Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:36 pm UTC

The only people who hate Guitar Hero either have no sense of rhythm or they somehow think it's supposed to be like playing a real guitar and are disappointed when it is not.

That being said, Guitar Hero and Guitar Hero II are awesome rhythm based games. Almost as good as Frequency. Maybe better in a few ways.
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Postby Air Gear » Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:52 pm UTC

I like Guitar Hero, but then again I'm a music game guy...you know, love Pump It Up, love In the Groove, DDR isn't nearly as good...loved Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan! (Japanese game that Elite Beat Agents was based on; really hated the music in Elite Beat Agents)...

...except Guitar Hero isn't as good as people say. I remember the New Year's Eve geeking out I did with some other guys...one guy brought his Beatmania controllers and somehow he'd freaking gotten his hands on an ARCADE DISC for IIDX 12th. Whoo, IIDX! Time to get owned by Love is Eternity, Xepher, Daisuke, and all the other songs ya can't get in the US version!

...but no, the Guitar Hero freaks get bored with it after about 5 minutes and go BACK to their damn game. More than that, they crank theirs so it's not like it'll be POSSIBLE to play IIDX (hey, I'm a total newb; played with real controllers once at about level 2). It's like, ok, you OWN that game and can play it ANY TIME. Over here there's something you're NOT going to be playing much longer. Damn you. Seriously, Guitar Hero isn't THAT good...

I guess the upside of Guitar Hero is that Jäger makes ya better at it.

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Postby The Sleeping Tyrant » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:02 pm UTC

I absolutely hate Guitar Hero. It lets people with absolutely no musical talent whatsoever think they have some. Seriously, it's a damn pointless game. Especially when in the long run a real guitar is so much more fulfilling.

I really hate hearing people talk about how they beat some super hard song. It makes me want to shout, "Why don't you try actually playing the damn song?!" in their face.
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Postby emotaku » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:13 pm UTC

I suppose you hated Duck Hunt too, eh?

No one playing a driving game in an arcade assumes after they've finished a lap they're actually able to drive around in Nurburgring. GH isn't any different.

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Postby The Sleeping Tyrant » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:20 pm UTC

emotaku wrote:I suppose you hated Duck Hunt too, eh?

GH isn't any different.


Yes. But for entirely different reasons.

And I don't think people actually think they can play guitar after it. But, as a guitarist I find it annoying as hell when people rant about how awesome they are in a game that really takes no skill compared to what it's based on. If it were one or two people, sure, I'd be fine with it. It's not one or two people though.

As a game, I'm sure it's fun. Although, I'm not particularly a fan of beat based games anyway. Adding onto that the way the fans have ruined it for me, I don't think I'll be trying it any time soon.

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Postby no-genius » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:20 pm UTC

Actually, Jeremy Clarkson tried to do that on Top Gear once.

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Postby Peshmerga » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:39 pm UTC

rachel wrote:It's horrible.

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Postby frezik » Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:53 am UTC

The Sleeping Tyrant wrote:I absolutely hate Guitar Hero. It lets people with absolutely no musical talent whatsoever thing they have some. Seriously, it's a damn pointless game. Especially when in the long run a real guitar is so much more fulfilling.


Guitar Hero requires both rhythm and (at the higher levels) a lot of dexterity, both of which are needed to play the real thing. Of course, the buttons don't require as much dexterity as real guitar strings, but you'll still need to make some pretty fast movements.

If you've already got the PlayStation (or get a used one), it's cheaper than a real guitar, too (unless you buy your guitar from Wal-Mart).

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People can and have learned to be professional race drivers through some of the more accurate driving sims, like Gran Turismo. In fact, the game is sometimes harder than real life, since you can't feel the car's movements (which gets especially important with higher-end cars).

veridical wrote:the graphics aren't incredible (but it was made for PS2, so what did you expect?)


It's hardly notable for graphics even by PS2 standards, but, meh, whatever.

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Postby Toeofdoom » Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:57 am UTC

I never really liked the idea of playing a stupid plastic guitar, and i absolutely hate those goddamn ads.

But then, i never played it. anyway, once you can actually play an instrument its often more enjoyable just to practice that I'd think... meh.
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Postby no-genius » Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:31 am UTC

frezik wrote:
The Sleeping Tyrant wrote:I absolutely hate Guitar Hero. It lets people with absolutely no musical talent whatsoever thing they have some. Seriously, it's a damn pointless game. Especially when in the long run a real guitar is so much more fulfilling.


Guitar Hero requires both rhythm and (at the higher levels) a lot of dexterity, both of which are needed to play the real thing. Of course, the buttons don't require as much dexterity as real guitar strings, but you'll still need to make some pretty fast movements.


So? that doesn't mean you can play a guitar. It just means you can play guitar hero. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't even have strings? Bending a string is like the coolest thing you can do on a guitar. Also, do you actually have to use chords? I don't think so. You may be playing what is (to you) a fun game, but you're not playing a guitar.
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Postby The Sleeping Tyrant » Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:36 am UTC

Toeofdoom wrote:once you can actually play an instrument its often more enjoyable just to practice that I'd think... meh.


Agreed.

@ frezik: while it may help your fingers move faster it does nothing for accuracy, which is the SINGLE most important thing in playing a guitar. If you're fast but not accurate, who cares? If you're slow but accurate you can still make some really great music.

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Postby thomasjmaccoll » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:07 am UTC

guitar hero is in no way analogous to playing guitar, but it's still fun, and as people have said, it's like playing a shooting or driving game, it's not the real thing, but you have fun doing it. i play guitar (to an extent) and i have no problem with guitar hero...

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Postby Arkohn » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:22 am UTC

No one said it's like playing a guitar. It's just for people who like rhythm games. And you know I don't try playing the real thing? Because a guitar is fucking hard to play. It's also expensive. It's not like GH is a lesser version of guitar, they're too totally seperate things.

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Postby no-genius » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:26 am UTC

Arkohn wrote:No one said it's like playing a guitar. It's just for people who like rhythm games. And you know I don't try playing the real thing? Because a guitar is fucking hard to play. It's also expensive. It's not like GH is a lesser version of guitar, they're too totally seperate things.


well then why didn't they call it rhythm game hero?

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Postby veridical » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:26 am UTC

I had no idea Guitar Hero could be so polarizing. In my experience, though, Guitar Hero has increased my desire to practice guitar and has also severely improved my alternate picking ability. I'm no guitar hero in any sense, but I still think the game is incredibly fun, especially in social settings.

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Postby no-genius » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:36 am UTC

You know what I like to do sometimes in social settings? PLAY GUITAR!

But srsly, no-one plays guitar hero around a camp fire, do they?
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Postby thomasjmaccoll » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:36 am UTC

no-genius wrote:
Arkohn wrote:No one said it's like playing a guitar. It's just for people who like rhythm games. And you know I don't try playing the real thing? Because a guitar is fucking hard to play. It's also expensive. It's not like GH is a lesser version of guitar, they're too totally seperate things.


well then why didn't they call it rhythm game hero?

@tjm: he took a track he played on a driving sim and tried to beat his record. he did shit, cos the way you do it in a driving sim is the wrong way to drive a car like that. He got some tips from some racing driver guy, and he got a better time, but he didn't beat his time.


i just don't like him 'cause he's a big ignorant sexist, racist, macho tory... he may not have beaten his time but he probably beat his wife... oh well.
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Postby no-genius » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:37 am UTC

I don't really like him either? I just watch top gear sometimes.
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Postby Air Gear » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:42 am UTC

Wow. As somebody who thinks Guitar Hero is pretty good but spectacularly overrated, the animosity toward the damn game here is getting downright scary. Guitar Hero isn't real "guitar". Whoopity fucking doo. Dance Dance Revolution is less "dance" than Guitar Hero is "guitar". Whoopity doo again. The list goes on and whoopity doo goes on.

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Postby veridical » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:47 am UTC

no-genius wrote:You know what I like to do sometimes in social settings? PLAY GUITAR!

But srsly, no-one plays guitar hero around a camp fire, do they?


They do play it in front of a television, however. Also, it's much easier for those who are around to actually participate since it doesn't require you to have the skills to play a real guitar. Nobody has ever tried to pass Guitar Hero off as a replacement for guitar. You cannot be creative with Guitar Hero; Guitar Hero was meant for having simple, accessible fun. It's a fucking video game. Also, "seriously" is not that hard to spell, nor does it take very long to type.

no-genius wrote:well then why didn't they call it rhythm game hero?


Probably because the controller is shaped like a guitar, "Guitar Hero" is much catchier, and the soundtrack is made of guitar-driven songs.

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Postby no-genius » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:50 am UTC

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Postby Toeofdoom » Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:03 am UTC

I still dont like it cause of the advertisment... its just so horrible, and its a great example of a stupid lame scene where stupid lame people do stupid lame things and have people cheering them for being "cool"

And i havent played it or seen anyoen playing it, so thats all i have to go by.
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Postby Alisto » Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:06 am UTC

Wow. I didn't know there were people who didn't like Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is awesome.

Would I rather know how to play a real guitar? Absolutely. But I can play Guitar Hero and have fun without spending years learning the real instrument. A room full of people can play at various difficulty settings, compete against one another, and you don't need to get eight pretentious musicians in a room together to do so.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate music and those who create it. I used to be a music major. But saying that Guitar Hero is dumb because the people who enjoy it should just play a real guitar is condescending and self-righteous.

Why play a racing game when you can drive a real car?
Why play Call of Duty when you can join the army?
Why play Dance Dance Revolution when you can go to a club? (ok, this one I agree with)

The game is fun, especially in social gatherings. And if it lets someone who can't play guitar feel like he or she is playing a song, why is that a crime? They're not going to their local open mic night with a PS2, so relax.

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Postby veridical » Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:13 am UTC

Alisto wrote:They're not going to their local open mic night with a PS2, so relax.


I would very much like to see peoples' reactions in that situation. That would make for quite an interesting social experiment. XP

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Postby Toeofdoom » Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:15 am UTC

But saying that Guitar Hero is dumb because the people who enjoy it should just play a real guitar is condescending and self-righteous.


Not everyone said that, like 2 people did. Its kinda like you either stuck me in that group or totally ignored my existence, and the same for a number of other people in the thread.

Anyway, i kinda agree, but i'm not gonna be playing it any time soon.
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Postby no-genius » Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:16 am UTC

Yeah, but why is it more fun to play a song on guitar hero than it is to play a guitar. You don't have to play it right to have fun! And you can play any song you want! You can even write your own song if you like.

srsly tho, if they put some sonic youth on gh then i'm playing it :P
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Postby Alisto » Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:49 am UTC

Toeofdoom wrote:
But saying that Guitar Hero is dumb because the people who enjoy it should just play a real guitar is condescending and self-righteous.


Not everyone said that, like 2 people did. Its kinda like you either stuck me in that group or totally ignored my existence, and the same for a number of other people in the thread.

Anyway, i kinda agree, but i'm not gonna be playing it any time soon.


You didn't actually give a reason for not liking it, other than plastic guitars are stupid and not liking the ads (which I don't think I've ever seen). Also, you've never played it. So I guess I ignored you.

no-genius wrote:Yeah, but why is it more fun to play a song on guitar hero than it is to play a guitar. You don't have to play it right to have fun! And you can play any song you want! You can even write your own song if you like.

srsly tho, if they put some sonic youth on gh then i'm playing it :P


Apples and oranges. And yes, you DO have to play it right to have fun. Or at least reasonably close. Having to stop for 2-3 seconds between chords, playing melodies with the speed of a snail on valium, and getting tinny sounds because you're not hitting the fret properly is NOT enjoyable. But if you can follow colors and have any rhythm, you can play Guitar Hero within a day.

One is not more fun than the other. I see Guitar Hero as a primarily multiplayer game. And ideally, more than two players. Many people can play Guitar Hero because of varying difficulty levels, ease of learning, and watching the competition is fun while you're waiting for your turn. Unless you have a room full of musicians, you cannot do the same thing with a real guitar.

They are completely different experiences. One may be meant to emulate the other, but that doesn't mean they can be directly compared.

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Postby no-genius » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:13 am UTC

Yeah, but if with a guitar you can play ANYTHING!

also, when i said you can get it wrong, i meant getting the wrong note/chord. Or changing chords too soon/late, or whatever. So often I'm playing a riff I made up, and I get it wrong.. but it sounds better. Thats not really something you can do in GH.
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Postby Narsil » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:20 am UTC

no-genius wrote:You know what I like to do sometimes in social settings? PLAY GUITAR!

But srsly, no-one plays guitar hero around a camp fire, do they?

I play it around a campfire sim. With virtual friends. Oh I'm so alone...


Some people need to chill the crap out. it's a GAME. I'm sorry if it damages your ego that much when people feel good after playing it well. I wouldn't call many of these rhythm replacements for the real thing, so much as basic training. Of course DDR didn't teach me to dance, but it teaches good rhythm and that's important in dancing. EBA didn't teach me to be a male cheerleader but it did teach that dancing is a fundamental step in problem solving. Wait....
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Postby no-genius » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:28 am UTC

Narsil wrote:Point is, they are good fun.


Sorry, is this meant to be an objective statement about your subjective experience?
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Postby Arkohn » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:31 am UTC

No-Genius, do you play guitar?

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Postby no-genius » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:33 am UTC

yeah, i do. and i watched some people play GH once - looked a bit pointless really.
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Postby thefiddler » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:33 am UTC

no-genius wrote:well then why didn't they call it rhythm game hero?

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Postby Arkohn » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:36 am UTC

Yeah, it seems to me that only guitarists are offended by the fact that people are entertained by something similar, but not quite as annoyingly difficult and time-consuming, to a guitar.


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