1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:39 am UTC

I got thinking about weirdly shaped hourglasses, and I thought about how the comic so far is 2D. A 2D hourglass looping on itself in 3D space is easy to visualize:

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Gif'd:
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In this model it becomes clear that if this were the case in the comic, there would be a constant rain of sand (which there isn't - or is there?)
A 3D hourglass looping on itself in 4D space would be a bit trickier to render, but it would be just about the same principle. To say nothing of a klein hourglass, which is difficult to even imagine much less make a renderable object out of...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby tman2nd » Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:47 am UTC

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Oh! That's right! It's Monday, so a new comic's up!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Davidy » Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:49 am UTC

Latent22 wrote:Image
Love these two frames.

Do the same thing with frames 392 and 393. Then tell me just what cueball is doing? It looks like he's building up energy to continue building.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby tman2nd » Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:57 am UTC

Davidy wrote:
Latent22 wrote:Image
Love these two frames.

Do the same thing with frames 392 and 393. Then tell me just what cueball is doing? It looks like he's building up energy to continue building.

That's What I do when I need energy. You don't?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby vvn » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:00 am UTC

tman2nd wrote:What's poking out of the box?


Seems to be a toolbox to me. (Boring I know.)
But, what was sitting on it earlier. There was some stuff (455) that vanished (456).

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Re: 1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby htom » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:03 am UTC

it's a tiny sandcastle (with a tiny-tiny sandcastle) and now they're going to build the other sandcastles higher (moving them back from the sea and up.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wnderer » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:09 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HAL9000 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:36 am UTC

Wnderer wrote:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Exodies » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:43 am UTC

elementropy wrote:So: a thought about the "hourglass" theory. What if the "river" refers to the stream coming from the top chamber, and the "sea" is, in fact the level of sand in the bottom? This of course ignores the concept that an hourglass tends to create a rising cone-shaped pile of sand in the bottom chamber as the chamber fills, but then again, maybe our characters have affected some sort of engineering to keep it flowing around their area of habitation.

I also wonder if Megan is about to start constructing on a heretofore invisible ceiling, one which will be right-side up when the "glass" is turned. (i.e. a one-chambered hourglass-like system that defies rational physics in favour of the abstract, a la Lewis Carroll or M.C. Escher)


The level of confirmation bias in this thread is astonishing. Are some of you perhaps policemen/women? An hour glass has a vortex at one end and a conical hill at the other THE ONE COMIC IS ALMOST AS FAR AS IT IS POSSIBLE TO BE FROM HAVING A VORTEX AND A CONICAL HILL.

Point 2 (to avoid the newly discovered crime of double posting (new to me, that is)) the box is a tool box containing the bolts she is using to fasten the horizontal to the verticals.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby patzer » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:00 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby KarMann » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:00 am UTC

Exodies wrote:Point 2 (to avoid the newly discovered crime of double posting (new to me, that is)) the box is a tool box containing the bolts she is using to fasten the horizontal to the verticals.

I thought she was using the rope to fasten them together.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby partingLance » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:02 am UTC

Exodies wrote:
elementropy wrote:So: a thought about the "hourglass" theory. What if the "river" refers to the stream coming from the top chamber, and the "sea" is, in fact the level of sand in the bottom? This of course ignores the concept that an hourglass tends to create a rising cone-shaped pile of sand in the bottom chamber as the chamber fills, but then again, maybe our characters have affected some sort of engineering to keep it flowing around their area of habitation.

I also wonder if Megan is about to start constructing on a heretofore invisible ceiling, one which will be right-side up when the "glass" is turned. (i.e. a one-chambered hourglass-like system that defies rational physics in favour of the abstract, a la Lewis Carroll or M.C. Escher)


The level of confirmation bias in this thread is astonishing. Are some of you perhaps policemen/women? An hour glass has a vortex at one end and a conical hill at the other THE ONE COMIC IS ALMOST AS FAR AS IT IS POSSIBLE TO BE FROM HAVING A VORTEX AND A CONICAL HILL.


Sure, but is this idea specially absurd, by the standards of this thread? It's here, after all, that the semencoffeecancerbaby was spawned.

I grant you, there's a difference between a falsifiable and a completely absurd theory (I'll grant in particular that the "beach" is not very like either half of an hourglass).

But the most important question hereabouts is whether any particular theory is crazy enough to be true.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Exodies » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:10 am UTC

KarMann wrote:
Exodies wrote:Point 2 (to avoid the newly discovered crime of double posting (new to me, that is)) the box is a tool box containing the bolts she is using to fasten the horizontal to the verticals.

I thought she was using the rope to fasten them together.

Neigh lad, the rope was used to hoist the crosspiece to the top.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby beargarden » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:22 am UTC

ChronosDragon wrote:I got thinking about weirdly shaped hourglasses, and I thought about how the comic so far is 2D. A 2D hourglass looping on itself in 3D space is easy to visualize:

Image
Gif'd:
Image

In this model it becomes clear that if this were the case in the comic, there would be a constant rain of sand (which there isn't - or is there?)
A 3D hourglass looping on itself in 4D space would be a bit trickier to render, but it would be just about the same principle. To say nothing of a klein hourglass, which is difficult to even imagine much less make a renderable object out of...


But is spinning towards us or away from us? I must know!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Eternal Density » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:33 am UTC

beargarden wrote:But is spinning towards us or away from us? I must know!
I thought I knew, until you asked.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby AUS » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:49 am UTC

beargarden wrote:But is spinning towards us or away from us? I must know!

That's not how spinning works. It's spinning facing us, meaning it spins toward us and then continuing the same direction it spins away from us.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Actaeus » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:50 am UTC

partingLance wrote:semencoffeecancerbaby


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Exodies » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:55 am UTC

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partingLance wrote:semencoffeecancerbaby


I'm a late arrival (started lurking in the last few days of the Madness). WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Elmach » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:57 am UTC

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partingLance wrote:semëncöffeëcancërbabië


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Eternal Density » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:59 am UTC

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partingLance wrote:semëncöffeëcancërbabië


I'm a late arrival (started lurking in the last few days of the Madness). WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby KarMann » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:59 am UTC

AUS wrote:
beargarden wrote:But is spinning towards us or away from us? I must know!

That's not how spinning works. It's spinning facing us, meaning it spins toward us and then continuing the same direction it spins away from us.

To put it properly, using the right-hand rule, its axis points to the left.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby tman2nd » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:00 am UTC

beargarden wrote:
ChronosDragon wrote:I got thinking about weirdly shaped hourglasses, and I thought about how the comic so far is 2D. A 2D hourglass looping on itself in 3D space is easy to visualize:

Image
Gif'd:
Image

In this model it becomes clear that if this were the case in the comic, there would be a constant rain of sand (which there isn't - or is there?)
A 3D hourglass looping on itself in 4D space would be a bit trickier to render, but it would be just about the same principle. To say nothing of a klein hourglass, which is difficult to even imagine much less make a renderable object out of...


But is spinning towards us or away from us? I must know!

Yes

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Elmach » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:01 am UTC

Eternal Density wrote:
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partingLance wrote:semëncöffeëcancërbabië


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby beargarden » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:06 am UTC

AUS wrote:
beargarden wrote:But is spinning towards us or away from us? I must know!

That's not how spinning works. It's spinning facing us, meaning it spins toward us and then continuing the same direction it spins away from us.

Sorry, to clarify, is it spinning towards us from the top, or towards us from the bottom?
I forget sometimes that ambiguity has no place in the xkcd forums. Someone will always pick you up on it :P

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby XonqNopp » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:09 am UTC

Wnderer wrote:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Elmach » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:09 am UTC

beargarden wrote:
AUS wrote:
beargarden wrote:But is spinning towards us or away from us? I must know!

That's not how spinning works. It's spinning facing us, meaning it spins toward us and then continuing the same direction it spins away from us.

Sorry, to clarify, is it spinning towards us from the top, or towards us from the bottom?
I forget sometimes that ambiguity has no place in the xkcd forums. Someone will always pick you up on it :P

If it were placed on a horizontal surface, with gravity being vertical, it would be rolling towards the viewer.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby XonqNopp » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:10 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:12 am UTC

beargarden wrote:
AUS wrote:
beargarden wrote:But is spinning towards us or away from us? I must know!

That's not how spinning works. It's spinning facing us, meaning it spins toward us and then continuing the same direction it spins away from us.

Sorry, to clarify, is it spinning towards us from the top, or towards us from the bottom?
I forget sometimes that ambiguity has no place in the xkcd forums. Someone will always pick you up on it :P


I...err...towards us from the bottom. I think. Which would contradict the "rolling towards us" thing, I believe.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Actaeus » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:14 am UTC

Elmach wrote:
beargarden wrote:
AUS wrote:
beargarden wrote:But is spinning towards us or away from us? I must know!

That's not how spinning works. It's spinning facing us, meaning it spins toward us and then continuing the same direction it spins away from us.

Sorry, to clarify, is it spinning towards us from the top, or towards us from the bottom?
I forget sometimes that ambiguity has no place in the xkcd forums. Someone will always pick you up on it :P

If it were placed on a horizontal surface, with gravity being vertical, it would be rolling towards the viewer.


I disagree! The part in front is slightly enlarged from parallax. It's rolling away. (Which makes more sense -- it's scrolling to continually reveal the path of the falling sand.)

ChronosDragon wrote:I...err...towards us from the bottom. I think. Which would contradict the "rolling towards us" thing, I believe.


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Elmach » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:21 am UTC

Actaeus wrote:
Elmach wrote:
beargarden wrote:
AUS wrote:
beargarden wrote:But is spinning towards us or away from us? I must know!

That's not how spinning works. It's spinning facing us, meaning it spins toward us and then continuing the same direction it spins away from us.

Sorry, to clarify, is it spinning towards us from the top, or towards us from the bottom?
I forget sometimes that ambiguity has no place in the xkcd forums. Someone will always pick you up on it :P

If it were placed on a horizontal surface, with gravity being vertical, it would be rolling towards the viewer.


I disagree! The part in front is slightly enlarged from parallax. It's rolling away. (Which makes more sense -- it's scrolling to continually reveal the path of the falling sand.)

ChronosDragon wrote:I...err...towards us from the bottom. I think. Which would contradict the "rolling towards us" thing, I believe.


Hyah! Vindicated 8-)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby tman2nd » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:22 am UTC

ChronosDragon wrote:
beargarden wrote:
AUS wrote:
beargarden wrote:But is spinning towards us or away from us? I must know!

That's not how spinning works. It's spinning facing us, meaning it spins toward us and then continuing the same direction it spins away from us.

Sorry, to clarify, is it spinning towards us from the top, or towards us from the bottom?
I forget sometimes that ambiguity has no place in the xkcd forums. Someone will always pick you up on it :P


I...err...towards us from the bottom. I think. Which would contradict the "rolling towards us" thing, I believe.

If you look at it right, it can look like it's rolling the other way.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Vytron » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:22 am UTC

I've caught up to page 120!

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I know! Right?

Yes, catching up to the context of some of these quotes has been fantastic. I specially liked patzer's

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...when I stumbled out of bed this morning, I had no idea I'd accidently a meme, let alone inadvertently a religion. :shock:


As I was reading that before even finding out about the comic itself. So it was awesome finding the source of the quote, and its context, in real time :)

That's something only someone that reads everything can appreciate. So, to all the people that skipped pages in order to catch up: Shame, shame on you! A wiki page has been advertized that gives a "summary" of all the pages in the thread, I'll really doubt it's the same experience, though I'll probably never know, since I'll read the wiki after catching up with the thread, and it's still outpacing me by a significant factor.

Feel free to leave me a time capsule by replying to this message, I'll read it once I catch up with page 274 ("current page") which should be about 2 weeks from now (which would make the "current page"... I don't know which one, let me check...)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Actaeus » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:27 am UTC

Elmach wrote:
Actaeus wrote:
Elmach wrote:
beargarden wrote:
AUS wrote:
beargarden wrote:But is spinning towards us or away from us? I must know!

That's not how spinning works. It's spinning facing us, meaning it spins toward us and then continuing the same direction it spins away from us.

Sorry, to clarify, is it spinning towards us from the top, or towards us from the bottom?
I forget sometimes that ambiguity has no place in the xkcd forums. Someone will always pick you up on it :P

If it were placed on a horizontal surface, with gravity being vertical, it would be rolling towards the viewer.


I disagree! The part in front is slightly enlarged from parallax. It's rolling away. (Which makes more sense -- it's scrolling to continually reveal the path of the falling sand.)

ChronosDragon wrote:I...err...towards us from the bottom. I think. Which would contradict the "rolling towards us" thing, I believe.


Hyah! Vindicated 8-)

???
Placed beneath a flat horizontal surface, with vertical gravity, the bottom side approaching means the tube roles towards us.


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Actually, I'm changing my response to "it is a superposition of forward-rolling and backward-rolling cylinders", which better reflects the odd experience of watching it. ChronosDragon can't veto this interpretation, because Death of the Author.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby KarMann » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:31 am UTC

tman2nd wrote:
ChronosDragon wrote:
beargarden wrote:
AUS wrote:
beargarden wrote:But is spinning towards us or away from us? I must know!

That's not how spinning works. It's spinning facing us, meaning it spins toward us and then continuing the same direction it spins away from us.

Sorry, to clarify, is it spinning towards us from the top, or towards us from the bottom?
I forget sometimes that ambiguity has no place in the xkcd forums. Someone will always pick you up on it :P

I...err...towards us from the bottom. I think. Which would contradict the "rolling towards us" thing, I believe.

If you look at it right, it can look like it's rolling the other way.

Not really. Unlike The One True Comic, when a dark line overlaps another, there's definitely a white border that reveals which one is closer to the viewer. As I said, the axis points left, not right. That's nice & unambiguous.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Flotter » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:39 am UTC

What's Cueball doing? He hasn't done very much in the last few frames, perhaps because he had to take a dump?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:40 am UTC

KarMann wrote:
tman2nd wrote:
ChronosDragon wrote:
beargarden wrote:
AUS wrote:
beargarden wrote:But is spinning towards us or away from us? I must know!

That's not how spinning works. It's spinning facing us, meaning it spins toward us and then continuing the same direction it spins away from us.

Sorry, to clarify, is it spinning towards us from the top, or towards us from the bottom?
I forget sometimes that ambiguity has no place in the xkcd forums. Someone will always pick you up on it :P

I...err...towards us from the bottom. I think. Which would contradict the "rolling towards us" thing, I believe.

If you look at it right, it can look like it's rolling the other way.

Not really. Unlike The One True Comic, when a dark line overlaps another, there's definitely a white border that reveals which one is closer to the viewer. As I said, the axis points left, not right. That's nice & unambiguous.


That's because I was clumsy with texture alpha masks. If I still had the source file (photoshop crashed after rendering the gif >:|) I'd go back and "fix" that to make it more ambiguous, heh.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby tman2nd » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:45 am UTC

Vytron wrote:I've caught up to page 120!

KuwabatakeSanjuro wrote:The creepiest part is seeing this in Lucia's signature before getting caught up to the actual post. Or was the statement repeated? It's like seeing glimpses into the future.


I know! Right?

Yes, catching up to the context of some of these quotes has been fantastic. I specially liked patzer's

TheMulattoMaker wrote:Wow...

...when I stumbled out of bed this morning, I had no idea I'd accidently a meme, let alone inadvertently a religion. :shock:


As I was reading that before even finding out about the comic itself. So it was awesome finding the source of the quote, and its context, in real time :)

That's something only someone that reads everything can appreciate. So, to all the people that skipped pages in order to catch up: Shame, shame on you! A wiki page has been advertized that gives a "summary" of all the pages in the thread, I'll really doubt it's the same experience, though I'll probably never know, since I'll read the wiki after catching up with the thread, and it's still outpacing me by a significant factor.

Feel free to leave me a time capsule by replying to this message, I'll read it once I catch up with page 274 ("current page") which should be about 2 weeks from now (which would make the "current page"... I don't know which one, let me check...)

TRIPLE NINJA'ED: Wow! And to think I won't read these three messages until a much later time! This is a new way of interacting with forums for me.

I plan on reading the parts I missed when activity has died down alot
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby descor » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:59 am UTC

tman2nd wrote:I plan on reading the parts I missed when activity has died down alot


Do you really think that will happen?
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