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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby udscbt » Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:47 pm UTC

Exodies wrote:
udscbt wrote:I come from page 293 (I've been absent for about 72 TF) and I've only read this page, so excuse me if I'm missing something while writing this.
About the "if the comic will have an infinite number of frames, it will certainly loop" theory, I have a very simple counterexample. Let's take two different Frames and call them A and B; at one point of Time, Randall could decide to do this: for each n from 1 to ∞, show n consecutive A frames, then n B frames (i.e. ABAABBAAABBBAAAABBBB...). This way the comic will continue indefinitely without ever looping, using only 2 (TWO) Frames. If you want me to demonstrate it isn't a loop, let me know (I haven't done it because I don't want to think about it, anyway it should be obvious that it won't loop).

There is a simpler counter example to my original claim - 2 Frames and the Comic consists of Frame 1 followed by an infinite number of Frame 2. This is not a loop.

However. I have been on a long walk and had a long think and have sent the excavators in to Westminster Abbey to dig up the infinite but no loop infidels. They will be thrown in a ditch and covered in quick lime to encourage the others. And this is why - we have been looking only at the mathematics of permutations but the Comic is driven by a, whatsit, narrative not science and one step demands the next. If the same frame shows up, the same next frame must thereafter appear. With a finite number of possible frames, the Comic will loop.

The same frame can be used more than once in a narration without the need of a loop. Counterexample in the attached image (the 1st and 5th panels are copy-pasted). A non-comic (so we're no more talking about frames) counterexample is Groundhog Day (and stories using the same concept): I don't remember the film and I don't know if the exact same frame is showed, but inside the world of the story every day starts exactly the same way so the same frame could be used.

EDIT: forgot the image
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Exodies » Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:59 pm UTC

udscbt wrote:
Exodies wrote:
udscbt wrote:I come from page 293 (I've been absent for about 72 TF) and I've only read this page, so excuse me if I'm missing something while writing this.
About the "if the comic will have an infinite number of frames, it will certainly loop" theory, I have a very simple counterexample. Let's take two different Frames and call them A and B; at one point of Time, Randall could decide to do this: for each n from 1 to ∞, show n consecutive A frames, then n B frames (i.e. ABAABBAAABBBAAAABBBB...). This way the comic will continue indefinitely without ever looping, using only 2 (TWO) Frames. If you want me to demonstrate it isn't a loop, let me know (I haven't done it because I don't want to think about it, anyway it should be obvious that it won't loop).

There is a simpler counter example to my original claim - 2 Frames and the Comic consists of Frame 1 followed by an infinite number of Frame 2. This is not a loop.

However. I have been on a long walk and had a long think and have sent the excavators in to Westminster Abbey to dig up the infinite but no loop infidels. They will be thrown in a ditch and covered in quick lime to encourage the others. And this is why - we have been looking only at the mathematics of permutations but the Comic is driven by a, whatsit, narrative not science and one step demands the next. If the same frame shows up, the same next frame must thereafter appear. With a finite number of possible frames, the Comic will loop.

The same frame can be used more than once in a narration without the need of a loop. Counterexample in the attached image (the 1st and 5th panels are copy-pasted). A non-comic (so we're no more talking about frames) counterexample is Groundhog Day (and stories using the same concept): I don't remember the film and I don't know if the exact same frame is showed, but inside the world of the story every day starts exactly the same way so the same frame could be used.

EDIT: forgot the image

It merely looks like the same frame, but semantically it is a different frame. Similarly with Groundhog Day - when the alarm goes off the second time, you don't think "there's the alarm" like you did the first time, you think "there's the alarm again".
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Davidy » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:00 pm UTC

davidy22 wrote:
KarMann wrote:
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boozledorf wrote:
davidy22 wrote:So, is there a new animated gif? Primis seems to be down, and I need a single GIF for wiki purposes.

The problem is that any animated gif is going to be several megabytes by the time this comic is completely finished (I'm guessing at least 1000 frames at this point). And it will also be several minutes long, too. At the moment, at 10 frames a second, it would take over a minute to play through the entire thing.

We have 2/3 of the comic so far in an animated gif, and it's currently pegged at half a megabyte and 3 minutes with two frames per second. I'm sure it'll be fine.

OK, ladies, gentlemen, and not-so-gentle or not-so-men, I've put the animated GIF to date up on the Explain XKCD wiki. Have at it!


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Re: 1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby udscbt » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:04 pm UTC

Exodies wrote:
udscbt wrote:
Exodies wrote:
udscbt wrote:I come from page 293 (I've been absent for about 72 TF) and I've only read this page, so excuse me if I'm missing something while writing this.
About the "if the comic will have an infinite number of frames, it will certainly loop" theory, I have a very simple counterexample. Let's take two different Frames and call them A and B; at one point of Time, Randall could decide to do this: for each n from 1 to ∞, show n consecutive A frames, then n B frames (i.e. ABAABBAAABBBAAAABBBB...). This way the comic will continue indefinitely without ever looping, using only 2 (TWO) Frames. If you want me to demonstrate it isn't a loop, let me know (I haven't done it because I don't want to think about it, anyway it should be obvious that it won't loop).

There is a simpler counter example to my original claim - 2 Frames and the Comic consists of Frame 1 followed by an infinite number of Frame 2. This is not a loop.

However. I have been on a long walk and had a long think and have sent the excavators in to Westminster Abbey to dig up the infinite but no loop infidels. They will be thrown in a ditch and covered in quick lime to encourage the others. And this is why - we have been looking only at the mathematics of permutations but the Comic is driven by a, whatsit, narrative not science and one step demands the next. If the same frame shows up, the same next frame must thereafter appear. With a finite number of possible frames, the Comic will loop.

The same frame can be used more than once in a narration without the need of a loop. Counterexample in the attached image (the 1st and 5th panels are copy-pasted). A non-comic (so we're no more talking about frames) counterexample is Groundhog Day (and stories using the same concept): I don't remember the film and I don't know if the exact same frame is showed, but inside the world of the story every day starts exactly the same way so the same frame could be used.

EDIT: forgot the image

It merely looks like the same frame, but semantically it is a different frame. Similarly with Groundhog Day - when the alarm goes off the second time, you don't think "there's the alarm" like you did the first time, you think "there's the alarm again".

But there is a finite number of "represantative" frames, not of "semantic" frames, so your initial statement (
Exodies wrote:Those who believe it will continue endlessly with no recurring pattern should be drug into the street and shot. There is a finite number of Pixels in a Frame, so there is a finite number of Frames, so there is a finite number of permutations of those Frames, so if the Comic continues endlessly it is in a loop.

) does not apply.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Shepherdess » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:11 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby partingLance » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:24 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:Also, thanks to partingLance for sigging me. I find your location endlessly amusing.


At your service; and thanks. (Of course that gag [sic] is hardly original to me. At least one other person on this board used it before I registered).

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby StratPlayer » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:26 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:Is it possible to be a knight and a cardinal at the same time? Do I really need both titles? I kind of like being a knight. But I guess I'll add the cardinal one, because you can't really say no to an honorary title, can you?

Oh, good to know! I guess I'm really a knight, then.

I journey onward through the past posts in this thread, wishing you all the best of luck.


Indeed you are, Sir/Dame1 BlitzGirl!!! And your fellow members3 salute you with our utmost4!

But if you're concerned about just two titles, I shudder to think of what you will think as Time unfolds in your near future, oh, She-Of-the-Multitudinous-Titularosity5!!!!


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby StratPlayer » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:32 pm UTC

Shepherdess wrote:Yay! I wake up calm and refreshed, and find that the One True Comic has been restored, and with it my clarity.

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Edit: Err..a new page? What do you mean the comic is down? I said nothing of the sort...


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Caswallon » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:34 pm UTC

I am from the past to claim that I have caught up with the future!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby StratPlayer » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:45 pm UTC

jjjdavidson wrote:Except for the last few posts, I've seen relatively little numerical analysis of Time so far. Let me look at some basic stuff.

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Disclaimer: I am a loopist by choice and belief. I believe and hope that Time will eventually loop, though I accept the possibility of some pretty strange loops.

Each frame is 553 by 395 pixels.

Are 553 and 395 significant in themselves? Comic 553 "Pirate Bay" seems random enough, but comic 395 "Morning" has distinctly unsettling overtones for Time.

553=79x7. 395=79x5. Is the number 79 significant? Or the 7:5 aspect ratio? Comic 79 "Iambic Pentameter" is one of the "My Hobby" series, but doesn't seem to relate to Time in any specific way.

Wikipedia informs me that 553 is the sum of nine consecutive primes (43+47+53+59+61+67+71+73+79) and 395 is the sum of five consecutive primes (71+73+79+83+89). Note the reappearance of 79 in each of these sequences.

Least common multiple: 79x7x5=2765.

Of course, there is no comic 2765 yet. That will come in Time.

Could 2765 be the number of planned frames? This has distinct advantages. It allows for a long run of Time, better than three Outside months at the current rate. If Time eventually loops, then even if the update speed changes to every 5 outside minutes (288 updates / day), the comic would still take nearly 10 days to cycle.

If Time loops, 2765 is relatively prime with 24 (and 48), so that someone who visits Time repeatedly over several Loops won't see the same frames at the same Outside time of day year after year. Time would have to Loop 2765 times (!) before a particular frame appeared at the same time of day twice.

2765=0xACD. Nothing leaps to mind there. (There is a user acd on this forum, who has been only lightly active over the years but who posted on a quite elderly thread just a few days ago, but that's probably just one of those bizarre coincidences that happen all the time.)

553+395=12x79=948. 948 is a plausible suggestion for number of planned frames, something more than half again the thus-far-revealed number. But note that 948 is not relatively prime with 24. If Time loops in the future, either with its original or current update speed, any particular frame would always appear at the same few times of day. An unpleasing result.

As noted above, 553x395=218435. Probably not the total number of frames (well over twenty years of updates at the current frame rate).

218435=0x35543. ESSAE (Empire State Society of Association Executives)? Seems unlikely. 35543 as a decimal number is prime (also a ZIP code in Alabama). Nothing there for me.

I haven't thought of a way to pull geographic coordinates out of any of this. Maybe someone else will.


Any other ideas?

(Edit: It's 115 past blackbirds here; gotta coma. Would have long ago but for the server downtime--couldn't sleep wondering if I'd miss a newpix.)


Lot's of numerology that may or may not apply. Interesting theorizing!

But being an engineer* my inclination is: "Let's just fiddle with the numbers, try building something, plugging it in, and then seeing what happens! We can always trouble-shoot if need be."

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby udscbt » Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:01 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jjjdavidson » Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:12 pm UTC

udscbt wrote:
Spoiler:
Exodies wrote:
udscbt wrote:I come from page 293 (I've been absent for about 72 TF) and I've only read this page, so excuse me if I'm missing something while writing this.
About the "if the comic will have an infinite number of frames, it will certainly loop" theory, I have a very simple counterexample. Let's take two different Frames and call them A and B; at one point of Time, Randall could decide to do this: for each n from 1 to ∞, show n consecutive A frames, then n B frames (i.e. ABAABBAAABBBAAAABBBB...). This way the comic will continue indefinitely without ever looping, using only 2 (TWO) Frames. If you want me to demonstrate it isn't a loop, let me know (I haven't done it because I don't want to think about it, anyway it should be obvious that it won't loop).

There is a simpler counter example to my original claim - 2 Frames and the Comic consists of Frame 1 followed by an infinite number of Frame 2. This is not a loop.

However. I have been on a long walk and had a long think and have sent the excavators in to Westminster Abbey to dig up the infinite but no loop infidels. They will be thrown in a ditch and covered in quick lime to encourage the others. And this is why - we have been looking only at the mathematics of permutations but the Comic is driven by a, whatsit, narrative not science and one step demands the next. If the same frame shows up, the same next frame must thereafter appear. With a finite number of possible frames, the Comic will loop.

The same frame can be used more than once in a narration without the need of a loop. Counterexample in the attached image (the 1st and 5th panels are copy-pasted). A non-comic (so we're no more talking about frames) counterexample is Groundhog Day (and stories using the same concept): I don't remember the film and I don't know if the exact same frame is showed, but inside the world of the story every day starts exactly the same way so the same frame could be used.
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What udscbt (and others) have said--that's what I was trying to say with my 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 2 1... example. That there would be certain rules by which a particular frame might be followed by only a limited set of nextframes, but the overall sequence would never exactly repeat.

I never said it wouldn't get boring loop, just that it might never actually repeat.

On another note: I find it ironic that we did a better job of posting new frames here while the image server was down than we've done since it came back up. I count 3 missed frames since the server revived.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Shepherdess » Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:43 pm UTC

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To whomever linked to the gluten-free oatmeal cookies, thanks. My waistline could use some more filling out...


I just popped them out of my NuWave oven. They're a little toasty because I forgot that sometimes cookies solidify when cooling so I kept them in for longer than I should have, but they're still quite good. I used craisins instead of raisins, eliminated the chocolate because I'm apparently allergic, and didn't use any nuts because of lack of supplies. But YUMMY! THANK YOU PERSON!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lunarul » Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:51 pm UTC

Exodies wrote:Those who believe it will continue endlessly with no recurring pattern should be drug into the street and shot. There is a finite number of Pixels in a Frame, so there is a finite number of Frames, so there is a finite number of permutations of those Frames, so if the Comic continues endlessly it is in a loop.

with a finite number of frames you only get a finite number of permutations if the length of the permutations is also finite. but there are infinite possible infinite sequences that don't loop. any irrational number is a counter example to your logic (there's a finite number of digits, a finite number of permutations of those digits, and yet any irrational number is an example of a non-looping series of digits).
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Re: 1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jjjdavidson » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:01 pm UTC

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I see crenellation.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby tman2nd » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:03 pm UTC

What's the point of these mini towers.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Shepherdess » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:09 pm UTC

tman2nd wrote:What's the point of these mini towers.


Does the Lord Randall need a point?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HAL9000 » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:17 pm UTC

Wait. Maybe the 'observation deck' is the frame for a huge, huge, central sandcastle that needs nonsand supports to hold it up.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby kryton » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:29 pm UTC

Shepherdess wrote:
tman2nd wrote:What's the point of these mini towers.


Does the Lord Randall need a point?

Called it, building castles on the railing.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby buffygirl » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:36 pm UTC

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I see crenellation.

Me too ... I am at a loss for any new theories. What is he actually piling the sand on top of? To me it looks like a fairly thin rail, and I don't recall seeing a larger "surface" placed there. . . . unless . . . back to the ant farm theory!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:44 pm UTC

buffygirl wrote:
jjjdavidson wrote:
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I see crenellation.

Me too ... I am at a loss for any new theories. What is he actually piling the sand on top of? To me it looks like a fairly thin rail, and I don't recall seeing a larger "surface" placed there. . . . unless . . . back to the ant farm theory!


Image 559 from The Book of Aubron:
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Don't know that it proves or disproves the ant farm theory, but there are small planks for the sand to be piled on.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby KarMann » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:46 pm UTC

tman2nd wrote:What's the point of these mini towers.

No, the points are on the towers of the castle on the left. This one has crenellation, not a point.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jjjdavidson » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:48 pm UTC

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I see crenellation.

Me too ... I am at a loss for any new theories. What is he actually piling the sand on top of? To me it looks like a fairly thin rail, and I don't recall seeing a larger "surface" placed there. . . . unless . . . back to the ant farm theory!

The frames where Megan hauled boards were representative, I assume, not intended to be exhaustive. I certainly never saw her haul in a bundle of twenty-odd balusters, yet there they are. So I have assumed that a large shelf extends outward from the railing (or there has never been a railing at all, only a wide shelf).
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Shepherdess » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:56 pm UTC

He's not making a sandcastle, he's making a sand rook. The platform is a giant chessboard.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Eliram » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:03 pm UTC

Shepherdess wrote:He's not making a sandcastle, he's making a sand rook. The platform is a giant chessboard.

The deck is too large. It will hold more than 8 rows, so no chessboard.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby StratPlayer » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:06 pm UTC

tman2nd wrote:What's the point of these mini towers.


I am befuddled and at a loss at what the Tippy-top towers might portend...

Or, for that matter, WHY so much crennellization? There's nary a mini-archer around to take station at them, so what's the point?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fhorn » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:30 pm UTC

And that's the news from Time.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jaronflick » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:34 pm UTC

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tman2nd wrote:What's the point of these mini towers.


I am befuddled and at a loss at what the Tippy-top towers might portend...

Or, for that matter, WHY so much crennellization? There's nary a mini-archer around to take station at them, so what's the point?

But we do have a mini trebuchet....
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:42 pm UTC

fhorn wrote:And that's the news from Time.
Where the river is small, the sea is big, and all the castle walls are crenellated.


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby htom » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:44 pm UTC

jaronflick wrote:
StratPlayer wrote:
tman2nd wrote:What's the point of these mini towers.


I am befuddled and at a loss at what the Tippy-top towers might portend...

Or, for that matter, WHY so much crennellization? There's nary a mini-archer around to take station at them, so what's the point?

But we do have a mini trebuchet....


Maybe they'll open a souvenir stand, selling models of some part of the sand castle?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Valarya » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:51 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby buffygirl » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:01 pm UTC

jjjdavidson wrote:
buffygirl wrote:
jjjdavidson wrote:
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I see crenellation.

Me too ... I am at a loss for any new theories. What is he actually piling the sand on top of? To me it looks like a fairly thin rail, and I don't recall seeing a larger "surface" placed there. . . . unless . . . back to the ant farm theory!

The frames where Megan hauled boards were representative, I assume, not intended to be exhaustive. I certainly never saw her haul in a bundle of twenty-odd balusters, yet there they are. So I have assumed that a large shelf extends outward from the railing (or there has never been a railing at all, only a wide shelf).

Fair enough ... but it still just does not look very stable to me.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:05 pm UTC

Valarya wrote:In unrelated news: Did the search-party for Pope Helper ever turn up? I'm starting to think he isn't taking his pope-ing seriously.


Last recorded words, from April 6th, Outsider time:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Exodies » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:13 pm UTC

SBN wrote:
Valarya wrote:In unrelated news: Did the search-party for Pope Helper ever turn up? I'm starting to think he isn't taking his pope-ing seriously.


Last recorded words, from April 6th, Outsider time:
Helper wrote:I'ma coma. G'night.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby partingLance » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:18 pm UTC

Exodies wrote:
SBN wrote:
Valarya wrote:In unrelated news: Did the search-party for Pope Helper ever turn up? I'm starting to think he isn't taking his pope-ing seriously.


Last recorded words, from April 6th, Outsider time:
Helper wrote:I'ma coma. G'night.

Prolly the cancer's got him


Or, possibly, the search party found him and a few depraved followers holed up in some remote mountain/jungle fastness, Kurtz-fashion, performing barbaric rituals and unspeakable cruelties, and decided to throw in their lot with him, going over wholesale to the dark side.

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