1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Latent22 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:45 pm UTC

From the fact that they don't know if their are any other rivers or not. And that water falling on the sea is a waste. It is possible that they are in fact on an island with hills and possibly only one river ( that they have found so far anyway). Are they getting all the building supplies from a wrecked boat maybe? Do they have to drink the seminatedcoffeecancerbabies because it is the only liquid they can find on the island? Are they in fact building a raised house to keep them safe from local wildlife? Just some ideas anyway.

Edit: Also maybe if you are trapped on a deserted island together with no hope of rescue and you're Cueball and Megan then first thing that comes to mind is 'Why not build some sandcastles"
Edit2: The Trebuchet may have been also built as a weapon for defense and to hunt for food.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby spamjam » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:46 pm UTC

AUS wrote:Reading the last few pages is really freaking annoying. I get how people are accidentally copying the wrong link, I don't get how they're not NOTICING IT when they're posting that it's not a super long hash /rant.

Guilty, guilty, guilty! Thanks to Latent22 for beating me over the head with it. I have FTFM'ed all the offending posts. I was posting before being caught up in the thread, so didn't notice all the admonishments. Mea culpa. As punishment, I shall now subject myself to...THE COMFY CHAIR!!!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Latent22 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:50 pm UTC

spamjam wrote:
AUS wrote:Reading the last few pages is really freaking annoying. I get how people are accidentally copying the wrong link, I don't get how they're not NOTICING IT when they're posting that it's not a super long hash /rant.

Guilty, guilty, guilty! Thanks to Latent22 for beating me over the head with it. I have FTFM'ed all the offending posts. As punishment, I shall now subject myself to...THE COMFY CHAIR!!!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby tman2nd » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:00 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby azule » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:02 am UTC

spamjam wrote:
AUS wrote:Reading the last few pages is really freaking annoying. I get how people are accidentally copying the wrong link, I don't get how they're not NOTICING IT when they're posting that it's not a super long hash /rant.

Guilty, guilty, guilty! Thanks to Latent22 for beating me over the head with it. I have FTFM'ed all the offending posts. As punishment, I shall now subject myself to...THE COMFY CHAIR!!!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby tman2nd » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:04 am UTC

Latent22 wrote:From the fact that they don't know if their are any other rivers or not. And that water falling on the sea is a waste. It is possible that they are in fact on an island with hills and possibly only one river ( that they have found so far anyway). Are they getting all the building supplies from a wrecked boat maybe? Do they have to drink the seminatedcoffeecancerbabies because it is the only liquid they can find on the island? Are they in fact building a raised house to keep them safe from local wildlife? Just some ideas anyway.

Edit: Also maybe if you are trapped on a deserted island together with no hope of rescue and you're Cueball and Megan then first thing that comes to mind is 'Why not build some sandcastles"
Edit2: The Trebuchet may have been also built as a weapon for defense and to hunt for food.

That's the best explanation I've heard. It all makes sense now! :D
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby cmyk » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:09 am UTC

Gonna make a 2nd level. How are they gonna get all that sand up there?

If it's gonna be with that one, tiny pale, out of manic frustration I might set my house on fire.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:12 am UTC

tman2nd wrote:
Latent22 wrote:From the fact that they don't know if their are any other rivers or not. And that water falling on the sea is a waste. It is possible that they are in fact on an island with hills and possibly only one river ( that they have found so far anyway). Are they getting all the building supplies from a wrecked boat maybe? Do they have to drink the seminatedcoffeecancerbabies because it is the only liquid they can find on the island? Are they in fact building a raised house to keep them safe from local wildlife? Just some ideas anyway.

Edit: Also maybe if you are trapped on a deserted island together with no hope of rescue and you're Cueball and Megan then first thing that comes to mind is 'Why not build some sandcastles"
Edit2: The Trebuchet may have been also built as a weapon for defense and to hunt for food.

That's the best explanation I've heard. It all makes sense now! :D

Must be a deserted island with an IKEA... That seems pretty normal, IKEA is everywhere, after all. 8-)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby vvn » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:13 am UTC

Kieryn wrote:In case anyone is interested: Water-level update.
Despite the brief increase the water rise rate remains pretty stable.

Has anyone compared the water rise to any kind of estimated time between frames. Might the water rise be constant, and the frame rate be variable?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby cmyk » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:15 am UTC

tman2nd wrote:
Latent22 wrote:From the fact that they don't know if their are any other rivers or not. And that water falling on the sea is a waste. It is possible that they are in fact on an island with hills and possibly only one river ( that they have found so far anyway). Are they getting all the building supplies from a wrecked boat maybe? Do they have to drink the seminatedcoffeecancerbabies because it is the only liquid they can find on the island? Are they in fact building a raised house to keep them safe from local wildlife? Just some ideas anyway.

Edit: Also maybe if you are trapped on a deserted island together with no hope of rescue and you're Cueball and Megan then first thing that comes to mind is 'Why not build some sandcastles"
Edit2: The Trebuchet may have been also built as a weapon for defense and to hunt for food.

That's the best explanation I've heard. It all makes sense now! :D


Hunting for food with a trebuchet1? Sounds a bit... challenging.

It'd also make for a great reality TV show on TLC.


1I never want to type that word again.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby cmyk » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:18 am UTC

vvn wrote:
Kieryn wrote:In case anyone is interested: Water-level update.
Despite the brief increase the water rise rate remains pretty stable.

Has anyone compared the water rise to any kind of estimated time between frames. Might the water rise be constant, and the frame rate be variable?


I believe the "frame-rate" is wildly variable, simply according to what Randall wants to depict and when. But the tide seems to be accelerating, at first I thought it might climb logarithmically, but now it's probably fairly linear or sinusoidal.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby tman2nd » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:21 am UTC

cmyk wrote:
tman2nd wrote:
Latent22 wrote:From the fact that they don't know if their are any other rivers or not. And that water falling on the sea is a waste. It is possible that they are in fact on an island with hills and possibly only one river ( that they have found so far anyway). Are they getting all the building supplies from a wrecked boat maybe? Do they have to drink the seminatedcoffeecancerbabies because it is the only liquid they can find on the island? Are they in fact building a raised house to keep them safe from local wildlife? Just some ideas anyway.

Edit: Also maybe if you are trapped on a deserted island together with no hope of rescue and you're Cueball and Megan then first thing that comes to mind is 'Why not build some sandcastles"
Edit2: The Trebuchet may have been also built as a weapon for defense and to hunt for food.

That's the best explanation I've heard. It all makes sense now! :D


Hunting for food with a trebuchet1? Sounds a bit... challenging.

It'd also make for a great reality TV show on TLC.


1I never want to type that word again.

I don't think the trebuchet was for hunting.
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tman2nd wrote:
Latent22 wrote:From the fact that they don't know if their are any other rivers or not. And that water falling on the sea is a waste. It is possible that they are in fact on an island with hills and possibly only one river ( that they have found so far anyway). Are they getting all the building supplies from a wrecked boat maybe? Do they have to drink the seminatedcoffeecancerbabies because it is the only liquid they can find on the island? Are they in fact building a raised house to keep them safe from local wildlife? Just some ideas anyway.

Edit: Also maybe if you are trapped on a deserted island together with no hope of rescue and you're Cueball and Megan then first thing that comes to mind is 'Why not build some sandcastles"
Edit2: The Trebuchet may have been also built as a weapon for defense and to hunt for food.

That's the best explanation I've heard. It all makes sense now! :D

Must be a deserted island with an IKEA... That seems pretty normal, IKEA is everywhere, after all. 8-)

Latent22 explained that.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:22 am UTC

cmyk wrote:
vvn wrote:
Kieryn wrote:In case anyone is interested: Water-level update.
Despite the brief increase the water rise rate remains pretty stable.

Has anyone compared the water rise to any kind of estimated time between frames. Might the water rise be constant, and the frame rate be variable?


I believe the "frame-rate" is wildly variable, simply according to what Randall wants to depict and when. But the tide seems to be accelerating, at first I thought it might climb logarithmically, but now it's probably fairly linear or sinusoidal.


It still appears to be quite random. Sometimes, there's no change to the sea level at all when the apparent Inside time per newpix is large, and sometimes there's a visible change between sentences in a dialogue.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby KarMann » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:25 am UTC

cmyk wrote:
vvn wrote:
Kieryn wrote:In case anyone is interested: Water-level update.
Despite the brief increase the water rise rate remains pretty stable.

Has anyone compared the water rise to any kind of estimated time between frames. Might the water rise be constant, and the frame rate be variable?

I believe the "frame-rate" is wildly variable, simply according to what Randall wants to depict and when. But the tide seems to be accelerating, at first I thought it might climb logarithmically, but now it's probably fairly linear or sinusoidal.

I have to phrase this carefully, lest it be viewed as heresy. I think in particular during the frames when no one was in sight, and the only change between frames was the rising fluid, more Time passed between NewPices, and we saw more rise in the sea. Maybe Kieryn could do one of those graphs with a coloured background for the periods with population < 1?

I'm still thinking hockey stick, for the curve.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby tman2nd » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:28 am UTC

KarMann wrote:
cmyk wrote:
vvn wrote:
Kieryn wrote:In case anyone is interested: Water-level update.
Despite the brief increase the water rise rate remains pretty stable.

Has anyone compared the water rise to any kind of estimated time between frames. Might the water rise be constant, and the frame rate be variable?

I believe the "frame-rate" is wildly variable, simply according to what Randall wants to depict and when. But the tide seems to be accelerating, at first I thought it might climb logarithmically, but now it's probably fairly linear or sinusoidal.

I have to phrase this carefully, lest it be viewed as heresy. I think in particular during the frames when no one was in sight, and the only change between frames was the rising fluid, more Time passed between NewPices, and we saw more rise in the sea. Maybe Kieryn could do one of those graphs with a coloured background for the periods with population < 1?

I'm still thinking hockey stick, for the curve.

But, how do we know that those frames have constant time?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby cmyk » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:30 am UTC

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tman2nd wrote:
Latent22 wrote:From the fact that they don't know if their are any other rivers or not. And that water falling on the sea is a waste. It is possible that they are in fact on an island with hills and possibly only one river ( that they have found so far anyway). Are they getting all the building supplies from a wrecked boat maybe? Do they have to drink the seminatedcoffeecancerbabies because it is the only liquid they can find on the island? Are they in fact building a raised house to keep them safe from local wildlife? Just some ideas anyway.

Edit: Also maybe if you are trapped on a deserted island together with no hope of rescue and you're Cueball and Megan then first thing that comes to mind is 'Why not build some sandcastles"
Edit2: The Trebuchet may have been also built as a weapon for defense and to hunt for food.

That's the best explanation I've heard. It all makes sense now! :D


Hunting for food with a trebuchet1? Sounds a bit... challenging.

It'd also make for a great reality TV show on TLC.


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tman2nd wrote:I don't think the trebuchet was for hunting.


(neither did I)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby KarMann » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:31 am UTC

tman2nd wrote:
KarMann wrote:
cmyk wrote:
vvn wrote:
Kieryn wrote:In case anyone is interested: Water-level update.
Despite the brief increase the water rise rate remains pretty stable.

Has anyone compared the water rise to any kind of estimated time between frames. Might the water rise be constant, and the frame rate be variable?

I believe the "frame-rate" is wildly variable, simply according to what Randall wants to depict and when. But the tide seems to be accelerating, at first I thought it might climb logarithmically, but now it's probably fairly linear or sinusoidal.

I have to phrase this carefully, lest it be viewed as heresy. I think in particular during the frames when no one was in sight, and the only change between frames was the rising fluid, more Time passed between NewPices, and we saw more rise in the sea. Maybe Kieryn could do one of those graphs with a coloured background for the periods with population < 1?

I'm still thinking hockey stick, for the curve.

But, how do we know that those frames have constant time?

We certainly do not. That's part of the reason I'd like to see the graph with those times highlighted. If the slope is constant during those times, then it's likely that the time is constant, and the rise. It's possible the time and rise could change just right to cancel each other out, but rather less likely.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:32 am UTC

mscha wrote:It still appears to be quite random. Sometimes, there's no change to the sea level at all when the apparent Inside time per newpix is large, and sometimes there's a visible change between sentences in a dialogue.


They know each other well. They are comfortable with each other, and with silence. Perhaps there was actually a long silence between the sentences.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby marchlight » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:43 am UTC

Megan is doing something at the bottom of the poles in the last two newpix. It doesn't look like she moved the rope. Maybe she's shoring up the foundation? Also, I'm glad Cueball decided to stand on a bucket this time to do whatever he's doing. Given his past clumsiness, balancing on the railings seems ill advised.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby iisjreg » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:50 am UTC

Pulleys for MAOR SAND!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZombieLion » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:57 am UTC

I've noticed that a lot of people recently are posting the wrong image link. Was there some kind of change to the structure of the comic1 (during the recent server problems maybe?) or is it just a coincidence?

On topic: I have a new (loopist) end of comic theory. Perhaps they angered Randall, so were sentenced to keep building semencaffeinecancercrudeoilhelpimtrappedinauniversefactoryraptorbacononice castles, just to have Sisyphe come rolling down with his boulder and crush them (the castles, I mean). It would explain why they sometimes seem to just know what's happening (they can hear Randall but we can't) and the unpredictable physics (if you were a god punishing people, would you give them reliable physics? :twisted: )

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby tman2nd » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:59 am UTC

cmyk wrote:
tman2nd wrote:I don't think the trebuchet was for hunting.


(neither did I)

My point was that the trebuchet doesn't have to be for hunting for the theory to work.

EDIT: What's going on with my post?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby moody7277 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:00 am UTC

KarMann wrote: I have to phrase this carefully, lest it be viewed as heresy. I think in particular during the frames when no one was in sight, and the only change between frames was the rising fluid, more Time passed between NewPices, and we saw more rise in the sea. Maybe Kieryn could do one of those graphs with a coloured background for the periods with population < 1?

I'm still thinking hockey stick, for the curve.


So the tide only rises when no one is looking at it?

The sea is made of Angels!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Latent22 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:07 am UTC

tman2nd wrote:EDIT: What's going on with my post?
EDIT2: And my sig.
EDIT3: And my avatar and information.

It is most weird we must look to the page source for the answer probably

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby cmyk » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:08 am UTC

moody7277 wrote:
KarMann wrote: I have to phrase this carefully, lest it be viewed as heresy. I think in particular during the frames when no one was in sight, and the only change between frames was the rising fluid, more Time passed between NewPices, and we saw more rise in the sea. Maybe Kieryn could do one of those graphs with a coloured background for the periods with population < 1?

I'm still thinking hockey stick, for the curve.


So the tide only rises when no one is looking at it?

The sea is made of Angels!

:shock:


Or it's in Copenhagen.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby cmyk » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:08 am UTC

tman2nd wrote:My point was that the trebuchet doesn't have to be for hunting for the theory to work.
EDIT: What's going on with my post?
EDIT2: And my sig.
EDIT3: And my avatar and information.


The hell? You're fading... from existence!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby tman2nd » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:12 am UTC

cmyk wrote:
tman2nd wrote:My point was that the trebuchet doesn't have to be for hunting for the theory to work.
EDIT: What's going on with my post?
EDIT2: And my sig.
EDIT3: And my avatar and information.


The hell? You're fading... from existence!

I go to quote this and I see text that you typed that isn't showing up. :shock:
EDIT: Never mind you must have changed it before I posted.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:18 am UTC

cmyk wrote:
moody7277 wrote:
KarMann wrote: I have to phrase this carefully, lest it be viewed as heresy. I think in particular during the frames when no one was in sight, and the only change between frames was the rising fluid, more Time passed between NewPices, and we saw more rise in the sea. Maybe Kieryn could do one of those graphs with a coloured background for the periods with population < 1?

I'm still thinking hockey stick, for the curve.


So the tide only rises when no one is looking at it?

The sea is made of Angels!

:shock:


Or it's in Copenhagen.


The interesting thing to me, is that the water level has risen above the barrier, but has not flowed around or through it. If it was sand, even if the barrier is a semi-circle or if the world really is 2 dimensional and not a 2d representation of a 3d world then the water would have flowed through it. What this means to me, is that this is proof that there are physics at play here in the Time World that are not of the 'external' world. Points of comparison may therefore be futile, but heck if i get a chance tomorrow I will see what other interpretations and graphs I can do. I love me some pointless data visualization.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby vvn » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:22 am UTC

ZombieLion wrote:I've noticed that a lot of people recently are posting the wrong image link. Was there some kind of change to the structure of the comic1 (during the recent server problems maybe?) or is it just a coincidence?

1Is that Javascript new? :lol:

New behavior: If I "Copy image URL", I get ".../time.png", if I "Open image in new tab", I get the hash.

Just tried that to confirm, and got the hash in Copy Image. Refreshed, and got time... Weirdeness.

Tried again, and all I can get is the hash. So, just check before you post? Everything is fixed now?

Changes in the javascript? The end of Time?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:25 am UTC

Ok hypothesis: The rise in sea level is somehow proportional (or otherwise related) to the activity of the pair of them, like maybe to do with how much sand they are piling up. This would be a nice metaphor for manmade global warming or something like that, which is an idea that's been floated around. Hmm. float. hmm.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby vvn » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:29 am UTC

Kieryn wrote:Ok hypothesis: The rise in sea level is somehow proportional (or otherwise related) to the activity of the pair of them, like maybe to do with how much sand they are piling up. This would be a nice metaphor for manmade global warming or something like that, which is an idea that's been floated around. Hmm. float. hmm.

I like the man made connection. Hadn't considered that kind of thing. It will disappoint me if the non-linear rising fluid isn't connected to something. Just not sure what as yet.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby cmyk » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:32 am UTC

Kieryn wrote:Ok hypothesis: The rise in sea level is somehow proportional (or otherwise related) to the activity of the pair of them, like maybe to do with how much sand they are piling up. This would be a nice metaphor for manmade global warming or something like that, which is an idea that's been floated around. Hmm. float. hmm.


I had thought the same at some point a while ago too. Still not enough evidence to say one way or another, but yeh, the idea of borrowing from one to add to the other; there'll be a tipping point of diminishing returns and/or eventual collapse back to equilibrium... or to quote Glen Phillips: "Winter Pays for Summer".

RE: sea-level physics, I'm not getting too worked up over, since the characters confirmed the tide is accelerating, even more than usual, and... yeh, it's a comic. Sometimes it's necessary to forgo realism for visual communication.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby tman2nd » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:37 am UTC

vvn wrote:
ZombieLion wrote:I've noticed that a lot of people recently are posting the wrong image link. Was there some kind of change to the structure of the comic1 (during the recent server problems maybe?) or is it just a coincidence?

1Is that Javascript new? :lol:

New behavior: If I "Copy image URL", I get ".../time.png", if I "Open image in new tab", I get the hash.

Just tried that to confirm, and got the hash in Copy Image. Refreshed, and got time... Weirdeness.

Tried again, and all I can get is the hash. So, just check before you post? Everything is fixed now?

Changes in the javascript? The end of Time?

I always copy image and get the hash.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:41 am UTC

tman2nd wrote:I always copy image and get the hash.

So did I, right up until I didn't.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:42 am UTC

vvn wrote:
ZombieLion wrote:I've noticed that a lot of people recently are posting the wrong image link. Was there some kind of change to the structure of the comic1 (during the recent server problems maybe?) or is it just a coincidence?

1Is that Javascript new? :lol:

New behavior: If I "Copy image URL", I get ".../time.png", if I "Open image in new tab", I get the hash.

Just tried that to confirm, and got the hash in Copy Image. Refreshed, and got time... Weirdeness.

Tried again, and all I can get is the hash. So, just check before you post? Everything is fixed now?

Changes in the javascript? The end of Time?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby vvn » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:45 am UTC


Yes. Just trying to provide additional data.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby KarMann » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:56 am UTC

cmyk wrote:
Kieryn wrote:Ok hypothesis: The rise in sea level is somehow proportional (or otherwise related) to the activity of the pair of them, like maybe to do with how much sand they are piling up. This would be a nice metaphor for manmade global warming or something like that, which is an idea that's been floated around. Hmm. float. hmm.

I had thought the same at some point a while ago too. Still not enough evidence to say one way or another, but yeh, the idea of borrowing from one to add to the other; there'll be a tipping point of diminishing returns and/or eventual collapse back to equilibrium... or to quote Glen Phillips: "Winter Pays for Summer".

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby tman2nd » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:01 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Valarya » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:01 am UTC

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