About the conflict in the actual episodes
If I had to describe it in just a few words, they would be "trekified Expanse but in a good way."
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There's a certain amount of freedom involved in cycling: you're self-propelled and decide exactly where to go. If you see something that catches your eye to the left, you can veer off there, which isn't so easy in a car, and you can't cover as much ground walking.
Zohar wrote:DS9 is very serialized, and very good. I think the show ends with a series of 8 directly-connected episodes or so, and that's not a rare occurrence.
I'm really curious about the show but I'm hesitant to sign up for CBS All Access for one show - I'll have to see what else is around.
maybeagnostic wrote:Apparently reviewers got access to the first three episodes so I got a bit of a spoiler about what's coming up in the next one before I started watching the show.Spoiler:
I've never watched DS9 but I would hardly call the season I watched of Enterprise serialized. There is certainly some continuity but swapping the order of episodes around would be quite difficult to notice.
Chen wrote:Re-watching DS9 it's really not as serialized as I remembered or am used to in current television. There's clearly more serialization to it compared to TNG or TOS but its rarely more than 2-3 episodes in a row. There's LOTS of filler there. A lot of it is good filler though (though some HUGE stinkers in there too coughQuarkpretendingtobeawomancough)
Chen wrote:Sure Threshold on Voyager was bad but that Quark episode was way up there too. Or the one where the crew gets transported into a video game somehow by accident. Its pretty fair to say that all the Star Treks had their massive stinker episodes.
rmsgrey wrote:Voyager could really have done with being in a position to copy ideas from the Battlestar Galactica remake like DS9 benefited from having Babylon 5 to take inspiration from.
As for Discovery, I'm not in any rush to pay for the privilege of watching it...
There's a certain amount of freedom involved in cycling: you're self-propelled and decide exactly where to go. If you see something that catches your eye to the left, you can veer off there, which isn't so easy in a car, and you can't cover as much ground walking.
rmsgrey wrote:Voyager could really have done with being in a position to copy ideas from the Battlestar Galactica remake like DS9 benefited from having Babylon 5 to take inspiration from. it...
sardia wrote:No love for The Orville? It's been dueling with Discovery for a while now. It's not what I expected from Seth Macfarlane. The reviews so far have been it's Next Generation, but less serious/uptight.
Soupspoon wrote:rmsgrey wrote:Voyager could really have done with being in a position to copy ideas from the Battlestar Galactica remake like DS9 benefited from having Babylon 5 to take inspiration from. it...
IIRC, B5 was '93ish to '98ish, DS9 '93ish to '99ish.
Yes, DS9 got its story arcs, but I'm not sure how much was "our rival is doing that, let's now start doing that ourselves" and how much was merely adopting the same sort of paradigm. It wasn't as apparently entirely pre-planned as Straczynski's whole vision, but it was a function of the Boldly Staying Still Where Nobody Had Sat Still Before setting, such that TOS's Wagon Train setting, TNG's overwhelming Littlest Hoboness, Voyager's inverted Monkey/Journey To The West thing (maybe some Kung Fu?), and (later) Enterprise attempting the prequel (umm Sarah Connor Chronicles? ...Muppet Babies?).
I gave it a shot but I have no love for The Orville at all. It doesn't take itself seriously, the CGI looks like something from twenty years ago, its parody runs only skin deep, it seemingly has nothing interesting to say and worst of all- it isn't funny. I'd be surprised if anyone actually tried to compare Orville and Discovery as despite the tenuous Star Trek connection, the two shows couldn't be more different. The Orville is more like Big Bang Theory in space or Futurama with all the smart and funny sucked out.sardia wrote:No love for The Orville? It's been dueling with Discovery for a while now. It's not what I expected from Seth Macfarlane. The reviews so far have been it's Next Generation, but less serious/uptight.
ObsessoMom wrote:
Someone really needs to tell The Orville writers that sex jokes aren't automatically clever and funny just because penis = ha ha ha.
Flumble wrote:I enjoyed Galaxy Quest more. Seth should've asked to make that into a series.
Flumble wrote:STD has been quite a smooth ride so far.
ObsessoMom wrote:I thought the Discovery pilot (or half-pilot, since I only watched Episode 1) was pretty good...although it was a little heavy-handed with the whole "ooh, that guy is discriminated against among the Klingons because he's a minority skin color, which would never happen on the more enlightened, inclusive Federation ship" thing.
maybeagnostic wrote:The Orville is more like Big Bang Theory in space
Thesh wrote:Flumble wrote:I enjoyed Galaxy Quest more. Seth should've asked to make that into a series.
They should do a reboot of the original Galaxy Quest TV show.
ObsessoMom wrote:Flumble wrote:STD has been quite a smooth ride so far.
Unfortunate acronym, isn't it?
Magnanimous wrote:(fuck the macrons)
There's a certain amount of freedom involved in cycling: you're self-propelled and decide exactly where to go. If you see something that catches your eye to the left, you can veer off there, which isn't so easy in a car, and you can't cover as much ground walking.
At least until we start approaching 36³ separate Trek franchises. ("Yeah, I quite liked the flashback-crossover episode from season 5 of BUM that used recycled and edited footage from KOK, W33 and 5UC, but they completely missed the chance to feature several scenes from ZZZ…")Liri wrote:Sticking with three characters is optimal.
(Apparently Enterprise started getting good in its last season? I've only seen a couple episodes from the first.)
Soupspoon wrote:At least until we start approaching 36³ separate Trek franchises. ("Yeah, I quite liked the flashback-crossover episode from season 5 of BUM that used recycled and edited footage from KOK, W33 and 5UC, but they completely missed the chance to feature several scenes from ZZZ…")Liri wrote:Sticking with three characters is optimal.
There's a certain amount of freedom involved in cycling: you're self-propelled and decide exactly where to go. If you see something that catches your eye to the left, you can veer off there, which isn't so easy in a car, and you can't cover as much ground walking.
Jorpho wrote:She did kill T'Kuvma when she presumably could have stunned him and taken him prisoner which was kind of the whole point of the exercise for which the captain died, so I guess she can be faulted for ... getting murderously angry in the heat of the moment?[/spoiler]
Flumble wrote:I'll keep watching STD for the space pornand lack of better series...perhaps this is the moment to fire up DS9.
Magnanimous wrote:(fuck the macrons)
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