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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby plytho » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:36 am UTC

wam wrote:No I didn't poison the football and no I didn't plant explosives at Bessies.
Then what did you do with it?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby wam » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:40 am UTC

plytho wrote:
wam wrote:No I didn't poison the football and no I didn't plant explosives at Bessies.
Then what did you do with it?


Tried to evaluate it's value. Didn't work.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby plytho » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:48 am UTC

Sabrar wrote:@plytho: how were you poisoned last time and how were you poisoned now? N4 only moody could have done it (who conveniently was at your place), unless it's some sort of delayed setup. Can you summarize your actions and the movement of the football you suspect?

I wasn't told how I was poisoned.
I went to bessie's, took the football and got informed I was feeling ill as woke up D2. When I decontaminated myself and the football D3 I felt better.
N4 I went to wam's and took the submachine gun and I was feeling ill again waking up.

I figured I was poisoned by handling poisoned items
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby plytho » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:51 am UTC

wam wrote:
plytho wrote:
wam wrote:No I didn't poison the football and no I didn't plant explosives at Bessies.
Then what did you do with it?


Tried to evaluate it's value. Didn't work.
I don't believe this.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby plytho » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:53 am UTC

What do you mean "it didn't work"?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby plytho » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:55 am UTC

wam wrote:no I didn't plant explosives at Bessies.
Where did your explosives go?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby plytho » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:09 am UTC

Wam being the poisoner still makes the most sense to me.

The football is a worthless decoy. I was told so without even needing to spend an action. I can't believe Wam inspected it and didn't find out.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby Sabrar » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:38 am UTC

plytho wrote:I figured I was poisoned by handling poisoned items
You only handled the submachine gun last night? If so then wam must have poisoned it D4 after we shot at each other N3. But it would be weird for him to have both poison and explosives and submachine gun.
Also how did bessie know about you being poisoned previously? She claimed to have cured you but now you say that you decontaminated yourself.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby plytho » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:14 am UTC

Sabrar wrote:You only handled the submachine gun last night? If so then wam must have poisoned it D4 after we shot at each other N3.
I only handled the submachine gun. I can imagine wam poisoning his gun knowing there'll be a visitor to his place.
Sabrar wrote:But it would be weird for him to have both poison and explosives and submachine gun.
Yeah, that is a lot. He definitely had explosives and the gun. And him messing with the football looks super suspicious.
Sabrar wrote:Also how did bessie know about you being poisoned previously?
I have no idea. I initially thought she was the poisoner and I was poisoned by visiting her place.
Sabrar wrote:She claimed to have cured you but now you say that you decontaminated yourself.
She provided the cure and I applied it. It makes sense for the poisoner to have the antidote on hand, that's part of why I initially suspected bessie of being the poisoner. However her later comments seem to imply she wasn't and the fact that she gave me a cure instead of letting me die makes me believe her.

@freezeblade: how does your motion sensor count? You said it counted 5 people N1. Does that include bessie? Does it include you?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby Sabrar » Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:46 pm UTC

SuicideJunkie wrote:In other news, Vincent "Vic" Tory was arrested and charged with harassment, theft, and arson in connection with the recent fire near the university.
I think it was Mark who bombed bessie. Maybe jailing people is only permanent if they actually killed someone already? Would mean that wam didn't kill somitomi either.

@wam: plytho seems sure that you had explosives in your possession at some point. Do you deny it? If not what did you do with it?

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby wam » Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:51 pm UTC

I had some proximity mines but they got confiscated when I was arrested.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby plytho » Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:04 pm UTC

wam wrote:I had some proximity mines but they got confiscated when I was arrested.

When was this exactly?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby moody7277 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:24 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:I think it was Mark who bombed bessie.


If he did, it would have been a delayed fuse, because I know he wasn't there for the party.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby Sabrar » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:07 pm UTC

Unless it's a day-action. Mark was at my safe-house N1 and jailed N2 so if it is delayed then he couldn't have been the one planting the bomb.
Or he could be Ninja which I believe is possible.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby wam » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:29 pm UTC

plytho wrote:
wam wrote:I had some proximity mines but they got confiscated when I was arrested.

When was this exactly?


1st arrest there what I bribed my way out with.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby plytho » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:38 pm UTC

What did you use this time?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby plytho » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:40 pm UTC

Also "flavour says bribe", "confiscated" and "I bribed them with my mines" sound like three different things to me.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby plytho » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:46 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:Unless it's a day-action. Mark was at my safe-house N1 and jailed N2 so if it is delayed then he couldn't have been the one planting the bomb.
Or he could be Ninja which I believe is possible.
Day action is possible. Ninja contradicts Freezeblade who saw Mark at somi's.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby Sabrar » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:33 pm UTC

Unless freezeblade is Mark's buddy... The possibilities are endless.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby freezeblade » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:08 pm UTC

plytho wrote:@freezeblade: how does your motion sensor count? You said it counted 5 people N1. Does that include bessie? Does it include you?


It was not explained fully to me, but the mechanics are: I place it, and it displays a number of people visited. I'm not sure if this includes me or not.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby freezeblade » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:11 pm UTC

EBWOP: The sensor was still at bessie's when it exploded, so I'm pretty sure it was destroyed in the explosion :(
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby Sabrar » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:14 pm UTC

freezeblade wrote:I'm not sure if this includes me or not.
Why don't you ask the mod?

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby freezeblade » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:27 pm UTC

How does the motion sensor counting mechanic work, does it count the person who placed it?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:42 pm UTC

freezeblade wrote:How does the motion sensor counting mechanic work, does it count the person who placed it?

The manual indicates that it will count the number of living humans* within a building and make a record of those counts which can be reviewed later.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby freezeblade » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:51 pm UTC

Ok, so based on that, it means that at the time of placement/checking, there were 4 others besides me at besse's safe house on that night.

Myself, wam, who were the 3 others?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby plytho » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:52 pm UTC

Me, somitomi and bessie.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby plytho » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:42 pm UTC

I'm not actually sure about bessie, she never claimed where she was N1 and I can't tell whether she would register.

Reading through bessie's posts I noticed this:
bessie wrote:The lurking has made this an extremely challenging game. There has been very little sharing of results, but a lot of sharing of “no results” which is quite suspicious. I know some of you are withholding, just on the basis of my own results, and from the changes in my inventory every night.

The underlined implies that someone visited her N2 but no-one has admitted to visiting bessie that night.

Mark and wam were arrested.
I was at wam's.
bessie was at my place. (gave me antidote)
Sabrar triggered moody's alarm. (Moody confirmed a visitor.)
moody went to Mark's and claims someone else had triggered the alarm (no feedback from Mark)
freezeblade failed to follow bessie and went back to his own place
somitomi's night action failed.

My gut says somi triggered Mark's alarm.

So who went to bessie?
Most suspicious: Freezeblade, has no confirmation about his whereabouts
Second: moody as marks buddy might now about the triggered alarm
third: somitomi as moody's buddy, moody knew about the triggered alarm and is covering for somi
fourth (tunnel fueled): mark or particularly wam wasn't actually arrested (planted mines that triggered when bessie left her house)
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:08 am UTC

So what's the plan for today? I feel like we need to start killing again, though jailing freezeblade for the second time might have some merit.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby plytho » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:17 am UTC

@Freezeblade: I'd like an answer to this question:
plytho wrote:Also, how is this supposed to work:
freezeblade wrote:I tried to follow bessie in order to get specifics from her about the Solex Agitator



I'm still waiting for some answers from Wam.

I think think I prefer arresting to killing now that we know at least some arrests are permanent.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:34 am UTC

plytho wrote:I think think I prefer arresting to killing now that we know at least some arrests are permanent.
What do you think this is based on? Do you find my speculation here feasible? Do you think there could be scum who can only be shot and not jailed permanently?

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:59 am UTC

If my speculation about jail-time is correct and wam poisoned plytho then we could jail wam again, wait for plytho to die of poisoning and jail wam tomorrow as well (permanently this time).
Of course plytho could go to bessie tonight and try to get a second antidote. No idea if this would work.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby plytho » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:31 am UTC

Sabrar wrote:
plytho wrote:I think think I prefer arresting to killing now that we know at least some arrests are permanent.
What do you think this is based on? Do you find my speculation here feasible? Do you think there could be scum who can only be shot and not jailed permanently?
I have trouble believing mark is the only killer we arrested so far. Especially since that would imply he used two D3 day kills.

The alternative is his buddy moody covering for him as he ninja'd over to bessie's N3. (or moody who hasn't been arrested used the golden gun and Mark the explosives) interestingly the golden gun wasn't mentioned in the arrest flavor. Neither were explosives, but it did mention arson.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby plytho » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:33 am UTC

Sabrar wrote:So what's the plan for today? I feel like we need to start killing again, though jailing freezeblade for the second time might have some merit.

Why Freezeblade, specifically?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:53 am UTC

plytho wrote:Why Freezeblade, specifically?
Because 1) he's more scummy than moody or you and 2) he was already jailed once so if his immunity happens to be 1-shot then we could vote him out permanently.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:41 pm UTC

Mark has been modprodded

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby plytho » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:52 pm UTC

Ok, what?

Can we get a list of who's alive/dead/arrested/in the game/not in the game/...

Was that the first time anyone was arrested?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby moody7277 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:57 pm UTC

So much for Sabrar's idea of being permanently arrested. Looks like the only way to get the bad guys is 9mm at a time.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:11 pm UTC

Ok, this is officially ridiculous. Going forward I'm not voting anyone, it's open season on shooting people.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 005)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:38 pm UTC

plytho wrote:Ok, what?

Can we get a list of who's alive/dead/arrested/in the game/not in the game/...

Was that the first time anyone was arrested?


The corpses of Bessie and Somitomi were noted earlier; they are out of the game. The police have arrested a number of shady characters, but most have been released from jail.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby freezeblade » Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:22 pm UTC

plytho wrote:Also, how is this supposed to work:
freezeblade wrote:I tried to follow bessie in order to get specifics from her about the Solex Agitator



I had a decoder ring (well, two) where if I gave one to a player, I could encode messages though the newspaper (or other media) that could be decoded by the other player with the decoder. I had encoded a message that night, and was hoping on giving the second ring to bessie (hence following). It failed, obviously, as was unable to follow.
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