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Postby yy2bggggs » Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:28 am UTC

Zach wrote:I'm not opening this can of worms, but I believe that you may find the quantum paradoxes interesting if you truly believe that.

qx-p=0. Take that!

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Postby Zach » Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:34 am UTC

yy2bggggs wrote:
Zach wrote:I'm not opening this can of worms, but I believe that you may find the quantum paradoxes interesting if you truly believe that.

qx-p=0. Take that!


.9999... != 1.

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Postby yy2bggggs » Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:36 am UTC

Zach wrote:.9999... != 1.

Well, obviously, it depends on the value of "...".

Oh, might I add--if I had $999,999.99 in the bank, I'd be a millionaire.

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Re: The Truth

Postby Rat » Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:47 am UTC

SpitValve wrote:Pi is irrational.

Point nine recurring is equal to one.

And a plane on a treadmill of infinite length matching the speed of the wheels will take off.

Do not dispute.


1) sure whatever

2) yeah i guess

3) no, youre wrong.

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Postby Hawknc » Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:03 am UTC

Yes, yes and yes. (To help get this back on topic)

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Postby mriswith » Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:08 am UTC

.99999... < 1

by an amount mathematically equal to zero.

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Postby fjafjan » Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:45 pm UTC

Rat wrote:
SpitValve wrote:Pi is irrational.

Point nine recurring is equal to one.

And a plane on a treadmill of infinite length matching the speed of the wheels will take off.

Do not dispute.


1) sure whatever

2) yeah i guess

3) no, youre wrong.


No for gods sake, once again, have an airplane moving at any speed on a treadmill, have that treadmil move at the same speed backwards, THE PLANE WILL NOT BE STANDING STILL!
The wheels will be rotating at double the speed and the airplane will keep moving forward for there IS NOTHING PUSHING IT BACKWARD!
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Postby Hawknc » Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:42 pm UTC

The airplane thing is crazy, it's like some sort of internet phenomenon. Politics? Pfft. Religion? Hah! There's only one thing that truly divides the world along crystal clear lines:

PLANES ON A TREADMILL!

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Postby fjafjan » Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:47 pm UTC

The next hit Samuel L Jackson movie?
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Postby thefiddler » Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:57 pm UTC

fjafjan wrote:The next hit Samuel L Jackson movie?

No. That would be "SNAKES ON EVERY PLANE!"

EDITED because I was tired and forgot to pluralize "snake." :oops:
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Postby Narsil » Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:50 pm UTC

Hey, wouldn't it suck if you had $999,999.99 in the bank? You would be all "I JUST NEED ONE MORE PENNY!" And everyone around you would be all "lol no wai h4z stfu n00b". Good times.
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Postby yy2bggggs » Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:00 pm UTC

Narsil wrote:Hey, wouldn't it suck if you had $999,999.99 in the bank? You would be all "I JUST NEED ONE MORE PENNY!" And everyone around you would be all "lol no wai h4z stfu n00b". Good times.

1. Take a penny tray
2. Your pocket

In other words, "money in the bank" isn't equivalent to money you have; and even if you didn't have that penny, you could get it pretty easily.

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Postby Andrew » Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:46 pm UTC

yy2bggggs wrote:In other words, "money in the bank" isn't equivalent to money you have; and even if you didn't have that penny, you could get it pretty easily.

It'd appear as interest in a month or so unless you have a really shitty bank.

Edit: But you still wouldn't be a millionaire in any proper currency :P

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Postby Traisenau » Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:48 pm UTC

No no no, he said it would be "More Motherfucking Snakes on More Motherfucking Planes"
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Postby Owijad » Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:35 pm UTC

yy2bggggs wrote:
Owijad wrote:Is there still a problem?

Yes.

It's quite simply the wrong name. As Mark Twain wrote: "Use the right word, not its second cousin." Does it matter? Yes, because people in general are emo crybabies when you mention the big R word, and they go off and explode and become irrational, because they're strongly for it, or strongly against it. The less you can contribute to this shared insanity of the human condition, the better. I'm not quite sure which is the appropriate word for you to use, since I'm not you, but I would offer up a consideration: possibly, it's secular humanism?

As for what the theists believe about morality, so what? They're all irrational, because they believe in God, who is transcendental. Obviously, everything that is transcendental is irrational.



I am not going to go branding myself as anything.

I believe you are going by the wikipedia definition af atheism, whereas I am simply going by the merriam-webster.

Now that you understand that, you should see that I have declared that:

I believe there is no diety, and for simplicities sake have lumped my personal morals which are not grounded in atheism in with that lack of belief.

Is there still a problem?
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Postby Pathway » Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:51 pm UTC

Zach wrote:
yy2bggggs wrote:Obviously, everything that is transcendental is irrational.


I'm not opening this can of worms, but I believe that you may find the quantum paradoxes interesting if you truly believe that.


Maybe it was a pun. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_numbers

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Re: The Truth

Postby Rat » Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:40 pm UTC

fjafjan wrote:
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SpitValve wrote:Pi is irrational.

Point nine recurring is equal to one.

And a plane on a treadmill of infinite length matching the speed of the wheels will take off.

Do not dispute.


1) sure whatever

2) yeah i guess

3) no, youre wrong.


No for gods sake, once again, have an airplane moving at any speed on a treadmill, have that treadmil move at the same speed backwards, THE PLANE WILL NOT BE STANDING STILL!
The wheels will be rotating at double the speed and the airplane will keep moving forward for there IS NOTHING PUSHING IT BACKWARD!


i am so glad he worded the question wrong in this thread too..

matching the speed of the wheels will take off.

The wheels will be rotating at double the speed


do you see what the problem is here? double =/= matching

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Postby aldimond » Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:47 pm UTC

Rat wrote:do you see what the problem is here? double =/= matching


QFT, bitches.
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Postby yy2bggggs » Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:39 pm UTC

Owijad wrote:I believe you are going by the wikipedia definition af atheism, whereas I am simply going by the merriam-webster.

Why do you think I'm using "the wikipedia definition of atheism"? As for Merriam-Webster:
http://www.m-w.com/definition/atheism wrote:[url=http://www.m-w.com/definition/atheism"]
atheism
One entry found for atheism.
...
1 archaic : UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity[/url]


I believe there is no diety, and for simplicities sake have lumped my personal morals which are not grounded in atheism in with that lack of belief.

Is there still a problem?

Yes, I guess. I don't understand anything in your last reply--or how it's supposed to change or address what I said.

I'm confused.

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Postby Birdman » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:19 pm UTC

Woo. More truths:


1) A plane defined as motionless on a conveyor belt/treadmill will never take off.

2) A plane on a conveyor belt that moves at the same speed as the plane but in the opposite direction can take off.

3) Asking the plane/conveyor question but using "speed of the wheels" as the reference is a retarded and ambiguous way of posing an already divisive problem.

4) I'm an atheist.

4a) ...and I'm right :P

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Postby Owijad » Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:13 am UTC

yy2bggggs wrote:Yes, I guess. I don't understand anything in your last reply--or how it's supposed to change or address what I said.

I'm confused.


The wikipedia v. webster was a (apparantly failed) metaphor, in an attempt to explain that by "atheism" I meant nothing more than "lack of belief in a diety".


With that cleared up. religious people's morals are, ostensibly, embedded in their faith.

Since I have no faith, I, feeling that it would make communication simpler (hah!), decided to associate my morals with my lack of faith.


This was all that was meant by the term "brand of atheism". How do you feel I should express that?
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Postby yy2bggggs » Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:16 am UTC

Owijad wrote:Since I have no faith, I, feeling that it would make communication simpler (hah!), decided to associate my morals with my lack of faith.

This was all that was meant by the term "brand of atheism". How do you feel I should express that?

Not quite sure--I offered up the term secular humanism. Research that. Would it apply to you?

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Postby Owijad » Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:32 am UTC

I'm not trying to find a label for my worldview.

Too many miscommunications here to be worth digging through, so I'm just gonna drop it :P
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Re: The Truth

Postby Tractor » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:53 am UTC

SpitValve wrote:Pi is irrational.

As am I.
SpitValve wrote:Point nine recurring is equal to one.

Aye.
SpitValve wrote:And a plane on a treadmill of infinite length matching the speed of the wheels will take off.

Well, I won't dispute this here, as I already did in the other thread :)
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Postby Likpok » Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:58 am UTC

Truths:
The US should bag milk. (for the novelty, if nothing else)

This statement is false. (it had to be done)
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Postby hyperion » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:06 am UTC

Likpok wrote:Truths:
The US should bag milk. (for the novelty, if nothing else)
oh god no. there's one brand here that sells milk in bags. it tastes like dirty plastic.

as for atheism, i'm an agnostic atheist in that there probably isn't a god, but i don't care.
i think it's wrong for people to be mistaking religion for morals. being christian doesn't make you a good person just like being muslim doesn't make you a terrorist.
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Postby Sufimoru » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:22 am UTC

SpitValve wrote:And a plane on a treadmill of infinite length matching the speed of the wheels will take off.

Wrong in at least one case.

The treadmill is not running, but it is matching the speed of the plane.

Also, the Truth...

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Postby Owijad » Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:49 pm UTC

HYPERiON wrote:
Likpok wrote:Truths:
The US should bag milk. (for the novelty, if nothing else)
oh god no. there's one brand here that sells milk in bags. it tastes like dirty plastic.

as for atheism, i'm an agnostic atheist in that there probably isn't a god, but i don't care.
i think it's wrong for people to be mistaking religion for morals. being christian doesn't make you a good person just like being muslim doesn't make you a terrorist.


Of course. It's just they're so often lumped together.
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Postby aisling » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:33 am UTC

HYPERiON wrote:being christian doesn't make you a good person


Ick, there's this girl I've known since elementary school whose parents are hardcore catholics. They wouldn't let her read Harry Potter because it's supposedly bad and evil, but they'll let her run around in whore clothes nowadays making out with other chicks to turn guys on and having many many sexual relations with other people. That's what happens when kids don't read Harry Potter. They turn into WHORES.

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Postby Owijad » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:36 am UTC

I don't think your cause and effect is entirely accurate, but sure.


Bad parenting makes people whores.

Hardcore Catholic = bad parenting.



oh, I lol'd at your use of "sexual relations" rather than "sex".
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Postby Toeofdoom » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:36 am UTC

^ Conversation reminds me of "Not the same" by ben folds. Awesome song about some guy on acid climbing a tree at a party and becoming a born again christian.

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Postby The Sleeping Tyrant » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:57 am UTC

aisling wrote:That's what happens when kids don't read Harry Potter. They turn into WHORES.


So basically what you're saying is right now, if I had never read Harry Potter, I could be having sex instead of sitting here on my fat arse listening to that damn pi mnemonic song?!?!?!?!?


Well, don't I feel robbed. :(

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Postby aisling » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:59 am UTC

Hahaha. I just remember her being all self-righteous about it. "I don't read Harry Potter because my family is CATHOLIC and we think it's WRONG." Then 5 years later she's screwing people every weekend while drunk/high/both.

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Postby Owijad » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:00 am UTC

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aisling wrote:That's what happens when kids don't read Harry Potter. They turn into WHORES.


So basically what you're saying is right now, if I had never read Harry Potter, I could be having sex instead of sitting here on my fat arse listening to that damn pi mnemonic song?!?!?!?!?


Well, don't I feel robbed. :(


Various other issues aside, that only applies to girls. An attractive guy cannot be -nearly- as promiscuous as an attractive girl.
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Postby The Sleeping Tyrant » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:01 am UTC

aisling wrote:I just remember her being all self-righteous about it. "I don't read Harry Potter because my family is CATHOLIC and we think it's WRONG." Then 5 years later she's screwing people every weekend while drunk/high/both.


There used to be one girl in my school who was like that. She was really churchy, really involved with our campus ministry and such...

Then one day she decided that screwing her bio teacher was a good idea. She actually ended up getting him fired too, which is hilarious. No one who knew who it was that got him fired told, but in the end the entire school figured it out anyway.


Edit: @ owijad: I realized that after I had already posted. Too late now I suppose?

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Postby Owijad » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:04 am UTC

Yeah, 's what I'm saying. Another type of girl will do that is someone with an extraordinarily messed up family, by standard norms.

Religious extremism = bad parenting, maybe not as much as, but in the same way as severe alcoholism could be.
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Postby Verysillyman » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:16 pm UTC

Owijad wrote:Various other issues aside, that only applies to girls. An attractive guy cannot be -nearly- as promiscuous as an attractive girl.


I want to disprove that.

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Postby Andrew » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:19 pm UTC

Verysillyman wrote:
Owijad wrote:Various other issues aside, that only applies to girls. An attractive guy cannot be -nearly- as promiscuous as an attractive girl.


I want to disprove that.


Unless the girls in question are lesbians I think it's by definition untrue. (If you ignore the slight imbalance in gender across the population.)

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Postby Belial » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:25 pm UTC

I believe Owijad's point is that girls have a lot easier time finding willing partners (because guys are socially conditioned to almost always say yes, whereas girls are conditioned in the other direction [and by the way, does that seem right to you?]) than a guy of similar attractiveness would, and therefore have more opportunities to be promiscuous
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