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Found your own commune!

Postby Robin S » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:50 pm UTC

You have decided to found, with a group of like-minded people, a small independent community with its own social, political, legal and economical rules and guidelines. What would they be? How would you decide on whether to allow prospective new members to join?
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Postby Gelsamel » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:22 pm UTC

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Postby evilbeanfiend » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:30 pm UTC

i propose using science
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Postby Kikral » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:02 pm UTC

Nomads, plain and simple. We shall wander cities and countries, wearing strange clothing and smelling vaguely like chocolate.
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Postby trickster721 » Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:38 pm UTC

Robin S wrote:How would you decide on whether to allow prospective new members to join?

That's exactly the problem with these things, they're not growth oriented.

Anyway, anarcho-collectivism is clearly the way to go. Seize the means of production! Put it in the hands of whoever happens to be standing nearby!

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Postby wst » Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:55 pm UTC

Robin S wrote:You have decided to found, with a group of like-minded people, a small independent community with its own social, political, legal and economical rules and guidelines. What would they be? How would you decide on whether to allow prospective new members to join?


Screw calling it a commune. Call it something like a Micronation, which doesn't conjure up images of smoking pot and engaging in group sex...
Not a bad idea, really...

But I'd do an anarchistic micronation. I'm assuming that the like minded people won't kill you. It should self regulate, in a community that small, where everyone knows everyone else.

And it'd need some capital to build/buy an island, possibly offshore, or in a biiig lake. And boats, etc.

And build buildings, etc.
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Re: Found your own commune!

Postby Gunfingers » Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:50 pm UTC

Autocracy. With me in charge. Until i have a son, anyway. Then i'll be all "Together we can rule this commune as father and son!" while making a fist.

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Postby Ian Ex Machina » Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:37 pm UTC

No communes based entirely on sex yet?

Ok here goes.
A group of STD free guys and gals, do work for the good of their community and are rewarded by sex, with other members of the facility. The matching up of the reward er to rewardee would have to be so it was a reward to both. People who didn't do their job, get no sex, further disobedience results in solitary confinement, and then last stage would be exile.
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Postby KevorkianKat » Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:55 pm UTC

Part capitalist, part socialist, part communist:

I would run a democratic council like back in Rome (but without the emperor). Each person would have his or her say in the matters of governing the village. After a period of consensus was reached, the neccesary rules or laws would be put in place by the group. The village would max out at 150 and there would probably be some set rules in place before it started up, such as:

-2 children per family (unless the family has more on entry and is willing to agree to not having any more)
-Arguing for a cause that incorporates new laws based on religious text ALONE (such as demanding prayer once a day) is not permitted
-You may keep and spend all your own money (no income sharing required) but you must contribute certain amounts of service, materials or time in some manner toward goals the village is moving toward. Unless disabled (which I would allow), at least 50% of the contribution MUST be through manual service of some type (so we don't have the rich people just dumping large amount of money in and the poor people working in the farm fields)
-Montessori eduction system
-Health care provided on site (if I could get a medical professional)
-All homes built in earth bermed homes for low natural impact and blending with the environment
-No cars allowed in main village
-Voting someone out would require a 95% consensus of the village (they would not get to affect their own vote) and would only happen after they get to come before a village trial presenting why they shouldn't be voted out (unless the need for them leaving is highly pressing, like caught raping children or stabbing people in the face)
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Re: Found your own commune!

Postby Jessica » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:00 pm UTC

Libertarian paradise.
And I'll call it... Rapture!
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Postby Ian Ex Machina » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:24 pm UTC

Gharbad wrote:Libertarian paradise.
And I'll call it... Rapture!


Ooooh build it underwater!!
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Postby LikwidCirkel » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:31 pm UTC

No kids. Yes, that would definitely be it for me. Adults could join if they were never going to have kids, and would be kicked out if they did.

Secondarily, sure, I'd go for the sex thing. People would have to be STD free then to get in, of course. To put the two together, sterility would help too. Vasectomies for all!

It would still be capitalist in a sense, so that if you didn't contribute, you simply would produce no goods of value, and couldn't live, unless individuals choose to support you.

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Postby EsotericWombat » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:54 pm UTC

wst wrote:Screw calling it a commune. Call it something like a Micronation, which doesn't conjure up images of smoking pot and engaging in group sex...


aaaaand you've lost me
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Re: Found your own commune!

Postby Jessica » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:55 pm UTC

Ian Ex Machina wrote:
Gharbad wrote:Libertarian paradise.
And I'll call it... Rapture!


Ooooh build it underwater!!

It's not a question of whether rapture could be built underwater, and more of a matter that it couldn't be built anywhere else. </end butched quote>
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Re: Found your own commune!

Postby wst » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:22 pm UTC

EsotericWombat wrote:
wst wrote:Screw calling it a commune. Call it something like a Micronation, which doesn't conjure up images of smoking pot and engaging in group sex...


aaaaand you've lost me


Commune=group sex, in my mind. Not necessarily a problem, mind you, but... hippy.
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Postby Indon » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:22 pm UTC

I found a commune based on SCIENCE! (Different than evilbeanfiend's idea because I use caps and an exclamation point). It would require little government initially, but as it expands (because Science Works), the organization would be able to deal with this as the government would be built into the charter. I would, in essence, use a corporate technocracy. To break it down:

-Each individual's job skills (and level of ability in each job) is tracked by the government. An individual who wishes to be established as having a job skill can take a certification test at the appropriate skill level for their field (some nationally accredited college classes may automatically establish this upon completing the class).

-Each department follows a bureaucratic structure. Management expertise and applicable field expertise are the selection factors for position. Individuals are never transferred to a position in which their field expertise becomes inapplicable.

-Inter-department officials at high levels are selected by technical referendum - when individuals designated to have applicable skills vote for the individual they feel is most fit for the position.

-Overarching operating policy is decided via persistent general referendum - for every issue deemed to be of significance (a petition system can exist for this, and for modifying the listed positions as well when applicable), each individual may cast one vote to designate their position on the issue. At any time, they may vote again to change their vote on this issue. Majority votes on these issues are considered to be mandates towards the bureaucratic government, though the power of an operating policy is limited by the charter.

-Officials at the highest levels are periodically elected by general referendum. A vote of no confidence can be raised via petition to make this election occur at nonscheduled times.

Departments of note:
Executive Department - the executive department is tasked with carrying out operating policies. The executive department is granted the ability to create and enforce law, subject to exceptions (see below).
Department of the Interior - the department of the interior is tasked with enforcing the charter. Law derived from the charter is the highest level of law, and overrides the power of the executive department.


I'm still working on a couple of the system's details, like how to institute checks and balances on the department of the Interior (which is, essentially, the judicial branch), as well as an elegant way to amend the charter.
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Re: Found your own commune!

Postby Belial » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:23 pm UTC

wst wrote:
EsotericWombat wrote:
wst wrote:Screw calling it a commune. Call it something like a Micronation, which doesn't conjure up images of smoking pot and engaging in group sex...


aaaaand you've lost me


Commune=group sex, in my mind. Not necessarily a problem, mind you, but... hippy.


I assumed you lost him because you alienated favorite activities.
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Re: Found your own commune!

Postby wst » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:53 pm UTC

Belial wrote:
wst wrote:
EsotericWombat wrote:
wst wrote:Screw calling it a commune. Call it something like a Micronation, which doesn't conjure up images of smoking pot and engaging in group sex...


aaaaand you've lost me


Commune=group sex, in my mind. Not necessarily a problem, mind you, but... hippy.


I assumed you lost him because you alienated favorite activities.


Well, micronations and group sex aren't mutually exclusive. It's basically the same thing as a commune only you can say it to people you really don't find sexy. As they won't say 'Can I come along and join in?' when they think it's all politics and shit.
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Postby EsotericWombat » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:57 pm UTC

Or at very least the qualities that would most attract me to a commune

Edit: @wst: Well if you say Micronation you might run the risk of attracting douchey economists. I prefer the burnouts to those folk
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Postby Belial » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:10 pm UTC

Edit: @wst: Well if you say Micronation you might run the risk of attracting douchey economists.


They're all like "Ooo ooo, can I be Andrew Ryan?!" and you're all "Sure. Get me a golf club...."
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Re: Found your own commune!

Postby null » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:51 pm UTC

Indon wrote:I found a commune based on SCIENCE!


I don't mean to nit-pick but you have to remember humans are sometimes irrational. They do all sorts of stuff like get bored, love, hate, be greedy, lazy, depressed, cynical, rebellious and just generally difficult.

Your new commune has to cope with all the prats messing it up. I think the best way is to force the prats to the bottom of the pile by somehow creating a merit-rewarding community for those who show trust, generosity, intelligence, fairness, fitness and good judgement.

But how do you do that when its so easy to be rude, cut-throat, greedy, selfish and corrupt...just to get an advantage on everyone else...

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Postby senmoonsect » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:41 pm UTC

Wasn't there like an abandoned oil rig that got turned into a free internet haven or something?

Maybe I made that up and its offtopic anyway >>

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Postby Sir_Elderberry » Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:01 am UTC

We all take turns being a chief executive, but all the decisions of that executive have to be ratified by a bi-weekly meeting, in the case of a simple majority, for purely internal affairs, and an absolute majority for external affairs...
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Postby Spoffin » Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:46 am UTC

senmoonsect wrote:Wasn't there like an abandoned oil rig that got turned into a free internet haven or something?

Maybe I made that up and its offtopic anyway >>

Yeah, thepiratebay was was thinking of buying Sealand to house their servers on. It was a bit too expensive for them though I think.
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Postby a386 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:11 am UTC

null wrote:
Indon wrote:I found a commune based on SCIENCE!


I don't mean to nit-pick but you have to remember humans are sometimes irrational. They do all sorts of stuff like get bored, love, hate, be greedy, lazy, depressed, cynical, rebellious and just generally difficult.

Your new commune has to cope with all the prats messing it up. I think the best way is to force the prats to the bottom of the pile by somehow creating a merit-rewarding community for those who show trust, generosity, intelligence, fairness, fitness and good judgement.

But how do you do that when its so easy to be rude, cut-throat, greedy, selfish and corrupt...just to get an advantage on everyone else...


i thought the point of these was to not deal with the prats, to create a society of generally-cool-people who you selectively allow into your commune so you can do things that would be impossible in a society without entrance requirements. you can do things like real communism based on trusting fellow citizens, or be much more open about sex, free from fear of diseases. otherwise, you've just got your own little country to run and personally i don't want that!

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Postby senmoonsect » Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:34 am UTC

Spoffin wrote:
senmoonsect wrote:Wasn't there like an abandoned oil rig that got turned into a free internet haven or something?

Maybe I made that up and its offtopic anyway >>

Yeah, thepiratebay was was thinking of buying Sealand to house their servers on. It was a bit too expensive for them though I think.

Yeah Sealand and HavenCo or whatever right? I thought HavenCo was kind of a data haven, though addmittedly I haven't looked into it and only heard about it, but because Sealand isn't part of trade agreements or whatever HavenCo says that they don't need to follow copyrights or whatever right?

Whatever anyway. I'm done with derailment.

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Postby bbctol » Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:17 am UTC

senmoonsect wrote:
Spoffin wrote:
senmoonsect wrote:Wasn't there like an abandoned oil rig that got turned into a free internet haven or something?

Maybe I made that up and its offtopic anyway >>

Yeah, thepiratebay was was thinking of buying Sealand to house their servers on. It was a bit too expensive for them though I think.

Yeah Sealand and HavenCo or whatever right? I thought HavenCo was kind of a data haven, though addmittedly I haven't looked into it and only heard about it, but because Sealand isn't part of trade agreements or whatever HavenCo says that they don't need to follow copyrights or whatever right?

Whatever anyway. I'm done with derailment.


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bbctol wrote:Kinakuta? :D

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Sir_Elderberry wrote:We all take turns being a chief executive, but all the decisions of that executive have to be ratified by a bi-weekly meeting, in the case of a simple majority, for purely internal affairs, and an absolute majority for external affairs...

That'll never work. The first king who rides by will cock things up, and then you've just got oppression.

To contribute: My commune would be the cool kind of commune. Entry would be determined by our advanced mind-reading computers (made with SCIENCE) that would identify and reject people who would destroy the group dynamic of the commune. The government would be minimal and socialist, since in our awesome commune everyone would be prosperous (possibly because we used SCIENCE to develop mind-reading computers). Group sex would be present but optional. We'd also have an orchestra. Because.
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Postby EsotericWombat » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:35 am UTC

-10 for not getting the Python reference
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Postby Antimatter Spork » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:37 am UTC

EsotericWombat wrote:-10 for not getting the Python reference

Who, me? (Perhaps I should have said "repression". It's been a while).
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Postby EsotericWombat » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:55 am UTC

hmm... I retract. I should have caught the reference to a king riding by.
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EsotericWombat wrote:hmm... I retract. I should have caught the reference to a king riding by.

Eh. I probably could have been more obvious. The last time I pointed out an obvious reference on these forums, people jumped all over me for pointing out something (in an obvious manner) that everyone else had already gotten.
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Postby Adalwolf » Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:24 am UTC

I'd either make it a hunter-gatherer group on a huge tract of land, or turn it into a stronghold to go raiding from- like the Cossacks, since I wouldn't want to be near the sea.
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Postby eXS » Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:07 pm UTC

We would be the Technocratic Noble Savages. Anyone with a similar mindset would be able to join, if the community has room (no more than 10 individuals). Something like the good guys in a post apocalyptic novel.

It would be like a dream.



Also if i had to fit in more people i have another idea. We design a big brother kind of living across the planet. A huge computer with tons of lethally armed robots to send at people (I'm still being serious) that break the rules.

The rules:
You do not infringe on another persons freedom.
You do not try to hurt the big computer.

Death would be instant if any rule was broken. This would also be a dream society, like inverted 1984.
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Postby Robin S » Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:27 pm UTC

That's your idea of paradise?

How does the computer decide whether a person has broken a rule?
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Postby eXS » Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:33 pm UTC

The computer is infallible. And yes, its my idea of something as subjective as "paradise".

If you think about it its the most free society that can ever be formed, because man wants to control man and must be forced not to do it.

There would be no property. which is win.
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Postby SecondTalon » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:49 pm UTC

Robin S wrote:You have decided to found, with a group of like-minded people, a small independent community with its own social, political, legal and economical rules and guidelines. What would they be? How would you decide on whether to allow prospective new members to join?


I can't really participate, but I'll try anyway.

What would they be? - Me, alone. With a nice internet connection.

How would you decide on whether to allow prospective new members to join?

Answer the following question : Are you me? [ ] Yes [ ] No. Note: I'll know if you lie.


... yeah, doesn't really work if it's just one guy. It's more like.. "You have decided to be a hermit..."
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Postby wst » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:53 pm UTC

eXS wrote:The computer is infallible.


Well, all the critics of the computer are/will be dead, that's where questioning the computer got them.

You're just lucky the computer occurs in the future. You have a few years before you have to kill yourself. It might forgive you then.

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Postby Toeofdoom » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:55 pm UTC

Critics of the computer would be fine as long as they didn't try to harm it...
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